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'The operator of the Audi was found to have a current and active MA driver’s license'

The Boston Police Department has issued an official statement on a collision this morning at Comm. Ave and Gloucester Street between a red Mercury Villager mini-van and a black Audi S8:

The operator of the Audi had no visible injuries and was being evaluated by EMS. He stated that he was operating the Audi on Gloucester Street toward Commonwealth Ave and the traffic signal was green. As he entered the intersection, the minivan crossed into his path from Commonwealth Ave., at which time he attempted to swerve, but was unable to. His vehicle struck the passenger side of the minivan. The operator of the Audi was found to have a current and active MA driver’s license.

Officer observed that the traffic signal light at the corner of Commonwealth Ave. and Gloucester St., located on the center median strip of Commonwealth Ave. had been knocked down, apparently by the vehicles just after they collided.

The driver of the mini-van was cited for failure to stop for a red light and will, no doubt, be hounded for the rest of his life, since the BPD release, longer than that for most murder cases, named him, unlike the operator of the Audi.

One of the two passengers in the mini-van was pried out of the vehicle with a Jaws of Life and taken to Brigham and Women's Hospital in serious condition. Police add a woman walking her dog on Gloucester Street was knocked to the ground by the cars but she declined immediate medical attention.

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Let's hope he's a better operator of the Patriots' offense than he was of his Audi...*snort snort snort*...[tongue curl to upper lip]

/Tomlin

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Get any points on his license for sacking the quarterback?

Loved the comment from a person who witnessed the crash, and stayed behind for her 9 endless hours of fame. Who thought the driver of the Audi was a college student who had borrowed the family car.

Shame on Tom for keeping the car registered out of state.

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It isn't his car. He gets to use cars so that people see him driving them and see how awesome they are. Then they let him use another car. Repeat.

I wonder how many people will see this crash-worthy beauty and want one?

By the logic of "he should register a car he doesn't own in MA cause it's here", I suppose I should have re-registered my nephew's car while he was in basic training because I drove it once or twice to keep the battery charged?

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Only when you were using his car to rush those refrigerated organs to the hospital to save the lives of those orphans, Swirly. Of course you coasted on the downhills to minimize your carbon footprint (and would have bicycled the organs in, but you had lent your bike to a homeless guy who you had helped train for the Pan-Mass Challenge that week).

Me, I still got my stolen Subaru with the 30 kilos of smack hidden in the fenders registered in Quintana Roo. I don't feel like getting the plates switched cuz it'll cost me more and they're stuck on the bumper due to all the clotted cyclist blood that's coating them.

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...issuing the citation made the name of teh van operator a public record, and the Audi driver was not cited.

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BPD doesn't normally post stuff on their site about car accidents - unless they involve drug dealers trying to escape police by going the wrong way down one-way streets at high rates of speed.

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as well. That makes their identity just as much as a part of the public record as the guy who was cited.

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what would the Track Gals have to write about if anything happened to him? I mean , we seem to be running out of Kennedy's and there's only so many times you can write about Scott Brown shopping at the Home Depot in Plymouth or Ernie Boch's million dollar toilet.

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Probably NSFW:

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It's FANNNNNtastic!

Good turn around on that.

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That is fan-freaking-tastic.

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LOL!

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"Police said Ludgero was driving the family’s 1997 Mercury Villager minivan on Commonwealth Avenue at around 6:30 a.m. when he ran the red light and smashed into Brady’s Audi S8, which was crossing Commonwealth Avenue at the intersection of Gloucester Street."

( http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/201... )

That's great, but also somewhere between "mischaracterization" and outright bullshit. It doesn't take an accident reconstruction team to note that Brady's car impacted the right side of the minivan, dead center- the photos from the scene show that side caved in.

That fact alone makes me wonder if the witness statements were right (or if BPD went witness shopping, or witnesses were overly sympathetic to Brady, as the family asserts.) If Ludgero was running the red light, Brady's side just got a green. So, how did Brady's car manage to impact the minivan so severely when it should have been coming from a stop?

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Judging from the van driver's record, I'm not terribly surprised that he would just run a red light. Even if he didn't, he shouldn't be on the road anymore anyway.

As for the point of impact, perhaps you should study up on defensive driving and collision avoidance. An attempt at an evasive maneuver, which most country kids are taught when they learn how to drive because of deer, etc., would explain the situation. Someone running a red light or a deer bounding across the road is something you try to get behind if you can. If you're a city kid or got your license in a state where parallel parking is the highest concern, you may not have learned this trick of how to avoid a suddenly appearing obstacle in your path - swerve to try to steer behind it, and hope it gets out of the way in time.

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If Ludgero was running the red light, Brady's side just got a green. So, how did Brady's car manage to impact the minivan so severely when it should have been coming from a stop?

What are you talking about?

You can run a red if the other side has been green for a full minute. It doesn't say that he tried to stretch the yellow or something. It says he blew through the red light. The traffic lights are on the side of the road and not overhead which often leads to them being missed, especially by people not usually driving through Back Bay. He also might not have noticed Brady's Audi coming up Gloucester and figured he'd just ignore the signal since the intersection was clear. Who knows. The point is that there's nothing that suggests Brady was starting from any kind of dead stop or that Brady "just got the green".

That's just a total assumption not in evidence.

What we do know is that the mini-van driver has had multiple driving issues (SIX PAGES!) in the past (including a DUI?)...and he's only 21!

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Isn't it clear that the BPD wanted to cover this thing up from the start?

And I dunno. If I'm driving to work on the day where I'm going to sign a 74 Million Dollar contract, I'm going to be extra frickin careful. In fact, I'd have them sign the deal in my kitchen after I woke up.

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Can we lose the disability slur? You're clever and funny; there are plenty of other fun and colorful epithets you can throw around without resorting to that!

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Trouble in Kazeekastan! What, did Kaz violate some kind of Thought Police Code? Seriously, "off your meds" is a slur now?

OK, how about you humor us and tell us what, in your mind, would have been a fun, colorful alternative to "off your meds." Don't just criticize and cluck your tongue-- show us how it's done, give us some examples here.

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There was no need to use a slur about mental illness to start with - we've just got Brett being Brett, not Brett Acting Mentally Ill. If someone is mentally ill, they can't help it. If someone is a git, Kaz is sharp enough to come up with something to address that directly. An Emily Litella reference would do.

I'm sure there are plenty of slurs for anonymous drive-by outrage over people who challenge what ignorant bigots and bullies think is "colorful and funny". Like, what was it like to be last in line for brains at Building 19?

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It has to be colorful and funny-- that's neither. And more to the point, I wasn't asking you, I was asking Thought Policewoman there for some examples. If she finds "off your meds" offensive, fine. I wasn't challenging her on that-- I was challenging her to back up her assertion that there are colorful and funny alternatives. Well, what are they?

To your point about Kaz being "sharp enough," well, shouldn't eeka be allowed to demonstrate her sharpness on this point?

Also, I should point out that your second paragraph makes absolutely no sense. Who, exactly, in this exchange is being ignorant and bullying here-- except, possibly, Kaz? I made no such charge, nor have I said anything hateful at all. All I said was, "It's easy to be critical, let's back it up." You seem to think that, just by challenging that claim, that anything I could possibly find funny would necessarily by ignorant and hateful. That's pretty ignorant, don't you think? I mean, you're assumption that I'm a bigot, which is based on... nothing. Personally, I don't find "off your meds" to be terribly offensive, more just in poor taste and very out of date, much like your Building 19 joke, which I think you adapted from a Gilligan's Island episode.

Lastly-- for now-- again, please explain what was bigoted, ignorant, or anything, in this thread. Brett might well have said something that you find bad at some point (and it seems like, to you, everyone does, except you) but from my reading it seemed like his initial comment was anything but hateful; he was just suggesting that the forces of darkness were doing their best to spin this in pro-rich celebrity direction. That's it.

But mostly I'm just curious why you assume I'm a bigoted bully.

(And by the way, the central joke with Emily Litella wasn't that she was ignorant, but that she was hard of hearing. Not the same thing at all.)

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Given that Building 19 serves the more economically challenged sectors of our state (if I recall there isn't a Building 19 7/8 in Newton or Concord), someone who shops regularly there might take your comment to be a snobby, class-based belittling of their shopping options. "Sorry I couldn't be first in line over at Saks, but this is where I shop!"

Point being, there's very little humor to be mined in the fields of the utterly inoffensive (unless you find episode of Barney and Teletubies to be the heights of humor). Of course if you're going to take the plunge, risk hurting someone's feelings and flip a quip, I think you get more leeway if you come up with something original and not just some buzz phrase that you've heard other people say. I kinda like the Building 19 comment (having been a frequent shopper of the now closed and lamented store on the Lynnway.) "Being off your meds" has been round the block a few times. If I'm going to potentially peev someone with psychiatric issues, I'd try and go for something a little more original.

George Carlin did a whole routine on this in regards to joking about cancer -- and it was funny and balls on (as usual for him). Chances are, if Andrew Dice Clay had attempted the same thing...it wouldn't have worked.

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of Hingham, Burlington ...

Saks would be for people who pay way too much for clothing without much added value, so waiting in line for brains there would be even dumber.

In any case, "I think slurs are funnnnny and yer just being mean old PC libs" garbage is the usual spew of bullies and bigots. If it has to put somebody down for something they have no control over (like illness, race, gender, etc.) in order to make you laugh, then it isn't funny, its a slur.

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I'm not the one saying that, and nor is John-- you're saying that. I never said slurs are funny, and did not use one. I wasn't defending Kaz, I was just challenging someone who appointed themself keeper of the moral high ground.

You really can't handle logic, can you? Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a bigoted, bullying, ignorant racist, aren't they?

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Thank you for quoting something I never said nor implied.

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Sorry.

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I defy you to find anything that any halfway intelligent person would interpret as bigoted or bullying.

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You picking a cool-to-you name for yourself so that you can lob unfounded and malicious accusations at people doesn't make you any less anonymous than an anon, or brave for that matter.

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Sorry, but putting people down in the name of humor is still funny.

There is absolutely a gray area that involves the joke-teller's intent and the use of degrading terms and more that I'm not willing to explore in this thread about "Tom Brady and the sterile BPD accident report" where the comedy becomes a manner of subjugation instead of humor. But if we nibble away at the edges of comedy in the name of Political Correctness and people can't learn to laugh at themselves and take a joke, then we do a bigger disservice to that newly-protected community by sterilizing everything about it than we do in making fun of it with them (see "South Park" as prima facie evidence of what I'm talking about).

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Hope you don't get attacked, but you probably will.

P.S.-- your mother dresses you funny.

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Maybe all that government cheese Swirrly had growing up affected her sense of humor. See? We can all be classists, just like Swirrly!

I agree that being funny isn't just a matter of repeating something that may or may not have once been funny, but I disagree that it needs to be offensive. Just locally, there's a lot of very funny and inoffensive one-liners in the works of Steven Wright, Jonathan Katz, and Barney Frank, and not just because of their deliveries, as awesome as they are.

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The world's first Trailer Trash Elitist.

I think I explained it well enough, above. What makes one a bully and a bigot is believing that put downs of people for things they can't change are funny.

BURRRRRRRP!

Now pass me those pork rinds, deary ... this (regional swill beer of choice) won't stay cold forever!

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Speaking of humor and Building 19, has anyone out there ever collected Building 19 Sunday circulars? Some of those things were pretty funny. There's a lot of thought and cheese that go into that thing. More so than the Modell's ads at least.

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What, you got time to read the Herald, but not time to explain to the other anon why they're a bigoted bully? Come on now, it's a teachable moment, so teach! If you don't at least try to explain yourself, then you're just a bully yourself.

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I'll buy that!...if they ever publish it.

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I said that he was off his meds, not that he was a dumb broad.

Tee-hee.

But I understand your point. It's not fair to the schizophrenic to compare them to Brett when he's in one of his "F da Police" grooves.

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Kaz, Mel...

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A laughtrack.

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You can run a red if the other side has been green for a full minute.

The point is that there's nothing that suggests Brady was starting from any kind of dead stop or that Brady "just got the green".

One witness, a pedestrian, said that she noted the pedestrian signal had just changed. When does that happen, rocket scientist? Answer: right as the light flips.

Plus, let's consider how most people run red lights. They run them right as they've changed from yellow to red.

Also: it's a logical fallacy to assign guilt in this particular case, based off the guy's driving record.

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Actually, the walk light at the far end of Gloucester for pedestrians crossing Boylston changes to "don't walk" several seconds before the traffic light turns red. There is often a serious disconnect between what the walk lights and the traffic lights are doing.

I haven't been reading every single word of coverage, but the general impression I got was that the witnesses indicated that the minivan blew right through a firmly red light, not an "orange" one.

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Actually, the walk light at the far end of Gloucester for pedestrians crossing Boylston changes to "don't walk" several seconds before the traffic light turns red. There is often a serious disconnect between what the walk lights and the traffic lights are doing.

The police report states for a fact that a walk signal in the direction observed meant Brady had a green.

Curiously, that's the only independent witness statement they had. Multiple witnesses in other vehicles couldn't say what the status of the signal was, which I find unbelievable to the point of wondering if they were lying to protect Brady because he's so popular.

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Who really gives complete attention to every single normally mundane thing that's going on around them, especially at 6:50 a.m.?

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Here's the story, of a guy named Brady ...

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Not for nothin, but wasn't Brett just yesterday suggesting a sinister motive for that Hyde Park girl who went on the radio about her friends the pizza killers?

http://www.universalhub.com/2010/interview-teen-wh...

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If you're approaching an intersection, yeah, I don't expect you to be able to tell me what color sweatpants the jogger was wearing, but I damn well expect you to notice what color the traffic light you're coming up to is.

2-3 of the witnesses were drivers who were traveling in the same direction as the minivan or Brady. None of them seemed to be able to say what the traffic signal was in their direction. It's right there in the police report.

That either speaks volumes about why we have so many motor vehicle collisions here, or that they had national-football-star-induced amnesia...

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They may have been further away approaching the intersection and just stopped to help after the crash and the lights coming down.

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How many times do I have to say this?

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/spe...

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Why should we read the report if you're so convinced that this whole thing is a big BPD cover-up for Tom Brady? Wouldn't they just fake the report the same way they went fishing for witnesses to back up what they wanted (as you have already alleged)?

If you don't like Tom Brady, the BPD, celebrities and the people who love them, why don't you just say so?

As Lucy said "Don't hassle me with your sighs, Charlie Brown."

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Where in those witness statements does it say they were RIGHT BEHIND EITHER CAR THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE ACCIDENT? It doesn't. All it says is that one of the witnesses was going inbound on Comm Ave. and it DOESN'T EVEN SAY WHERE THE OTHER WITNESS WAS. But you know what it does say? It says that one of the witnesses was there Walking her dogs AT THE INTERSECTION when she had to pull her dogs back because a car went through a red light. Then the cops show up, look at the timing of the lights, see when the light turns red or green if the walk light is on, and make a call regarding one witnesses statements.

Now I don't know about you, but I have good eyesight and could see if there was a car crash probably up to 200 yards, and easily 50-100 yards in front of me where I might not be paying attention as to which light.

You have three witnesses names, I doubt some cop is going to make things up here about real people so the star QB isn't found at fault.

Dumbass

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pedestrian light flips from walk to don't walk. It's called a "concurrent pedestrian phase".

The immediate example of this that comes to mind are the lights at the intersection of Boylston and Tremont. Although the intersection has an exclusive ("all red") phase for pedestrians, the pedestrian light controlling the "north side" crosswalk across Tremont between the Boylston inbound kiosk and the Masonic Lodge still displays walk even after Boylston eastbound traffic gets a green light.

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