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When Downtown Crossing was really all Christmassy

Dirty Water takes us on a tour of the Washington Street of yore.

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I'm sure the ACLU is retroactively offended on our behalf and launching a crack team of extortionist-I mean lawyers to tackle this blatant attempt to offend people with the abuse of freedom of speech, to promote religion through the commercialization of holidays, in the public square or something like that.

AND WHILE THEY'RE AT THAT, I WANT THE MACAROONS FROM GILCHRISTS REVIVED!

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-everything they don't still do this. This is the 'world of the '50's' the tea-partiers want to go back to. Progress doesn't mean being aware that countries change; their populations change, their races and creeds, no...progress is reminding the world that 'once in power always in power'. Physically and ideologically.
It would really be a waste of time to have to protest fully-Christian decorations and then try to reason with some fundamentalists about if how all the others have to worship privately, than it only stands to reason you should, too. Go put up a tree.
I believe the windows in New York are non-religious. This is '50's arcana and belongs there. So, so glad it doesn't exist.
Dude, that's Noah's Ark in there. Seriously?

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Okay, first, I need to note that I'm not Christian or even white. So this is not about being a part of that population and offended by your statement.

Instead, I'm trying to understand what is so wrong with those pictures. I mean first, there was a sense of so much life and energy in those pictures. It looks like it took a lot of effort to make them and decorate the streets. A festive energy. Do you have a problem with that?

Okay, I can see that probably have no problem with the energy. Still I have to confirm that, for my thinking that part of the reason why that energy was there was the expression of religion. That said, I have to ask of why do a people need to hide their religion (derived from that it is a good thing that there's no more Noah's ark displays). My understanding of Christmas is that it is actually is a religious holiday (this recalls that despite it from a cartoon, the meaning was explained eloquently by that Charlie Brown Cartoon).

I might not share the same religion, but I can understand that Christmas is first, a religious holiday. If people wish to celebrate it as such, I see no reason against it. As long other can freely express it their own (and preferable than everyone must worship quietly, if that is what you're saying). Actually, my thinking that it is kinda tragic that it is gone. For what replaced it is just a boatload of commercialized crap designed to make people spend-spend-spend for obligatory gifts and stressing out over said obligatory gifting.

Those pictures, religious or not, have a sense of so much life and energy. If the tea partiers can bring that back as long it doesn't mean hostility to me or those not like them, I see nothing wrong with that. Better that then spend all that energy suppressing such expression and now replaced with commercialized crapped made by marketers to make people shop without thinking and warped values. If there was a Noah's Ark on display now, why would it be such a problem. Because it might offend people? How about I just look at it intellectually and live and let live.

Finally, I need you expand on the "progress" bit. I cannot understand what you are trying to say at all. Or if I do then.. How is it progress if a population is replaced by a new race and creed? My understanding of progress is advancement to a better good, meaning increased fairness, justice, freedom, livelihood, and basically things that increase prosperity and happiness. I don't see how either staying in power (which is what I think you are claiming that's what tea partiers want) or awareness that population with race and creeds changing is progress. I would imagine that the populating being changed from would not like that (nor being labeled as backwards). Nor how an increased awareness of such change nor a change in population means it meets my definition of progress.

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-response to this is really, really, really quite simple.
Religious freedom means freedom to express ALL religions.
We don't have true religious freedom, unless it's Christian religious freedom.
And now...I'm doing this as delicately as possible:
Picture a store that expresses their religion by decorating the front with a statue of the prophet Mohammed OR (and it's only because America has INEXPLICABLY designated Scientology a religion, but it's still a religion now) someone decorates Downtown Crossing with pictures of Hubbard and stories of Thetans and plays Battlefield Earth on the side of one of the stores.
I'm not judging, but imagine how much people would immediately stop that. People protest the Church of Scientology NOW. And you would never know it was there unless those people were standing there, protesting.
Religions are obvious enough already. All holidays,places of worship, etc. Don't place religious themes in or on the stores I shop in unless EVERYONE can.
And any defense of Noah's Ark in a store window as a happy expression of the holiday season, and this is where I'm gonna stop being delicate, is patently ridiculous.

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I for one, do not care about the unfairness of our society and how it often favors one religion over another. All I care about is the pleasant memories that these pictures brought back to me and how they contrast with my extremely poverty stricken upbringing.

When I was a little kid and did not know about L. Ron, or Muhammad or Yahweh, all I knew was that my Dad risked his life driving a cab nights to put food on our table and clothes on our back and my Mom tried to go to school and raise 4 kids.

Christmastime on Washington Street back then was a magical time and it holds many wonderful memories for a lot of people like me. Don't fuck with it.

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The items on the Common are problematic, but there is nothing wrong with stores putting up religiously themed decorations. That is really what Christmas is about. And given that the stores are trying to make a mint off of Christmas, putting up Noah's Ark or a nativity scene is completely acceptable. What about tolerance??? Would you mind if swirly's dredel building came to pass?

Personally, i think it's nice to be reminded about when stores actually spent some effort and creativity in their windows, enjoyed by customers and passersby alike, instead of simply shoving some anatomically impossible mannequin in the window half clad in overpriced clothes made in a chinese sweatshop.

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Lighten up, Francis!

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Geez Louise, calm the frick down. This store is privately owned, they could put whatever they want in their windows. You must be one of those sad people that creep Bill O'Reilly told me about when he talks about his bogus War on Christmas. Why do you need to give him ammunition (lest ye be a troll)? I'm all for keeping state and religion as far apart as possible. No one had his jaw dropped lower than I did when Christine O'Donnell suggested otherwise, and I'm an avowed agnostic and recovering Catholic. But do you really have to get on your soapbox high enough to put your thumb in the eye of anyone who might have enjoyed these photos for the childhood memories they evoke, religious connotations aside? Joe McCarthy, pitchforks and book burnings were not the first things that sprang to mind when I saw them. I was thinking of the old Bailey's ice cream parlor on nearby Winter Street, and it put me in a great mood, until you opened your big yapper! Try not to suck all the fun out of people's lives, could you? One more thing -when you say 'the windows in New York are non-religious, do you mean now or 50 years ago? I'm pretty sure they looked like ours then and look like ours now.

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-never meant to rain on your parade.
My apologies if it brought you down.
And good catch, that one. They likely were religious in the '50's. I stand corrected.

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the memories are flooding back again! My father would do "iron" shifts in the cab for many weeks before Christmas, so that we could have toys and the things his parents could never afford to give him.

My Mom would bundle us all up and we would all take the T down to Washington St, which was a magical place to us kids. We would marvel at the elaborately decorated windows and never once complained about waiting to see Santa at Jordan Marsh. The lines were incredible, as I recall, but my siblings and I loved every minute of it.

Say what you will about progress, but I miss the way Washington St. used to be.

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Yes, the wait for Santa was long at Jordan's. When I got older I figured out that there were multiple lines that were kind of set up as a maze, this way the kids didn't know that they led to different Santas. We always made the trip into town to see Santa, the windows, the Common, Santa's Village.

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OMG I feel like I am 10 again

The manger on Jordan's was huge and beautiful. My Mom used to call the Waldof Cafateria at Summer and Arch her 'office' and she would always get us a window so we could look at Jordan's.

Raymonds was a firetrap but people loved it. Gilchrist, White's (later City Mart)

The toy department at Jordan's was said to rival Macy's in NY, it took up most of the 5th floor and had a huge train set that was ten times the size as the one at South Station today.

It was wonderful.

Thank You for these pics.

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Too bad for everyone who moved out to the suburbs and/or started driving their cars to suburban malls back in the day...and in doing so abandoned these great stores...and subsequently complained about people abandoning these stores.

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