Broadband in Boston is a Number One priority?

Every newspaper in the region is carrying what reads suspiciously like a verbatim press release to the AP about a broadband program for low-income families with few if any details (What's the name of the program? Where is the announcement being held? What was Menino's involvement?), but here's the nickel quote:

Kerry says access to high- speed Internet is "issue number one" because it simplifies everything from finding a job to taking a class.

Issue number one, except there's a gentleman's agreement between the three major players (Comcast, RCN, and Verizon FiOS) and most people who live in the state's capitol are lucky if they have any choice, thus there's no price competition, which is what would really help everyone, not just low-income families. Compare and contrast: Verizon announced almost a year ago that it was not going to bring FiOS into Boston. In case you haven't been keeping score, FiOS was first deployed in September of 2005...five and a half years ago.

See also: Verizon: Still giving Boston the FiOS finger (11/08) Metro Moments with Mumbles (03/08)

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Yeah I am against this, I'm

Yeah I am against this, I'm all for folks to have broadband, but to subsidize it? No thanks. Its not a necessity like electric or heat. Your life won't end if you don't have the internet. The reasoning they do this has little merit, as many Career Centers, Libraries, and Schools already offer free internet access. Why should my tax dollars pay for these? I already pay for public internet access (libraries, schools), why should I pay for private homes. If people need to do these 'reasons' they claim, they can use the library or some other free internet place. If you want to do these things, and don't have internet at home, you'll find a way to do them regardless. Where there's a will, there's a way.

Someone also claimed that these folks also would need to have a computer to use this service? So uh yeah if they are low income, where is the money coming from to buy a computer? And even if they do, whats stopping them from using the internet connection for its non-intended purposes by this program (i.e. Facebook, Porn, eBay etc). How do we know what they are doing? As is, the state can't even control EBT purchases, let alone a computer network. I know when you receive subsidized land line service, you aren't allowed to make any long distance calls (its blocked), and pretty much its meant for emergencies only (or local calls). Why can't we do this for this program too?

What the state SHOULD be doing with this money is instead of giving people internet connections at home, they should be forcing broadband providers to offer an economy service. Everyone knows broadband is so over priced and the providers just get you because they know they are a monopoly. How about the gov't tell broadband providers to be more competitive to lower prices? This way everyone can benefit, not just a select few of low income folks. I know *many* people who would pay 10-15/mo just to have basic service, because a 768k link is all you need for basic browsing and email.

The other thing the gov't should do is just give the $ to the libraries for media rooms (Computer rooms), again so everyone can benefit, not just a certain amount of folks.

I'm sorry, nothing good will come out of this. What's next? Free Cable TV? Free Maid Service? It's almost getting to point where you're better off being at the poverty line than having a job and making money. You can get everything paid for at the poverty line.. free Medical, Dental, Tax Help, Utility Help (Gas & Land Line), Heating Assistance, Sec 8, Food Stamps, EBT w/ Cash, Cell phone service (yes folks, free cell phones), and now free internet. Really? Where does it end? People will never want to get off of their ass and improve their lives if we keep giving them free stuff. Remember folks, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.

Economics Stupid

Much like roads, water, electricity, and rail; Internet is the new infrastructure that promotes economic growth of the 21st century.

Information is the newest commodity, we'd be stupid not to promote internet infrastructure growth.

If we want to support, attracts and keep high tech and high education jobs in the state, we need a robust connection to the web. This is just part of it.

It's rather short sighted, as always, to fall on the "well, I like it but let's make sure the poor brown people don't get it for next to nothing" train. Rising tides raise all ships.

www.bostonherald.com is looking for you

Um... brown people? Racist troll.

What does not offering free

What does not offering free or subsidized high speed internet at (increasingly broke)taxpayers' expense have to do with skin color?

So much crazy in that post!!

So much crazy in that post!! Real quick though:

Leaving aside the commerce aspect (that is, commerce is driven by the internet and delivered by the roadways), I don't use roads. I take the subway or walk.

I'm all for folks to have roads, but to subsidize it? No thanks. It's not a necessity like electric or heat. Why should my tax dollars pay for these? What's stopping them from using the roads for its non-intended purposes by this program (i.e. dealing drugs, going to sleep with prostitutes, going to get an education or voting).

Please go back under your bridge and have a cuppa tea.

stores

the stores that you take the subway to...how do they get stocked? I understand the point you WANT to make, but you didn't get there.

Did you see the part where I

Did you see the part where I addressed the commerce aspect in my second paragraph?

And, directly addressed the original ingrates idiocracy in his/her TL;DR post at the exact same time?

Long distance vs. internet access????

While it makes sense to limit calls because long distance is more expensive and the phone lines are specifically intended for emergencies, I'm not sure it's ok to suggest that low income people should be restricted from certain websites just because the service is being subsidized. What is it about facebook or ebay that makes you think only higher income people should access those sites?

I tend to agree that there are better approaches that could have been taken, but if the grant/service/subsidy was specifically for broadband internet and low-income people, then why is it not a good thing that residents in Boston will reap the benefits?

As an aside, in San Francisco the city teamed up with the housing authority to provide free wifi at all of the public housing developments and the surrounding neighbors wind up benefitting. It doesn't seem so strange to anyone in San Francisco that low income people may actually *gasp* have a computer.

http://www.sfha.org/wifi-faq.html?PHPSESSID=c4b80d517dc08ce03728404481f93db7

I do not fall under low

I do not fall under low income but can I get some cash because there is only one choice of internet provider where I live.

Like the post says, the real problem is that there is no real competition between providers thus they can charge higher prices across the board for internet access.

More competition = lower prices = more people can get internet access.

What today's announcement

What today's announcement actually offers is a quantification of just how much money Comcast is making off of the current oligopoly. Enough, apparently, to give away thousands of connections for free, thus currying favor with local politicians and preserving the status quo.

Open up the market to real competition, and prices might come down enough that even low-income households could afford them. Cable has amazing penetration rates in low-income housing; some media, it seems, is already regarded as a necessity. Broadband might fall into the same category, if it weren't priced outrageously high.

Ouch

That the head of that nail you just hit must hurt! This is another legal bribe so government officials can look good and get votes - but we have to pay for it as an indirect tax.

Here's what's really stupid

If the library would have been simply given this money instead, I'm willing to bet they could keep all of the branches open with free-flowing internet for EVERYONE, not just the poor who can't afford cable internet for longer than whatever this sleazy plan is slated for.

Hell, why does it have to be cable internet? I'm willing to bet there's cheaper DSL and most of these people probably already have phone lines even if they don't have cable in their walls.

The money also could have been spent on free Wi-Fi hotspotting the entire city (like Brookline) where everyone would have benefited from it as well...so instead of subsidizing only the poor, it would have subsidized all of us. Then you just hand out free WiFi USB dongles to the poor.

Since none of these options were the answer chosen, and some are even cheaper and more efficient (or both), than the proposed solution of simply paying Comcast...one has to wonder if this whole thing isn't more welfare for Comcast than it is the poor.

Sigh.

Whatever happened to that

Whatever happened to that company that was blanketing the city with wireless (non-free)? That could introduce some competition.

Double ouch

More nails in need of an emergency room visit. OMG Kaz and i on the same side - we MUST be right on this one!

You want moooooorrrre?

>Twist on< Please sir....dongles for the poor? >/Twist off<

A number one issue verses other number one issues?

Why is it whenever a politician talks about a subject, the phrase "number one issue" always comes up. If we were to tally all of the "number one issues" how would they all rank with each other?

Sorry, just annoyed with use of language amongst those who are suppose to represent us at times.

Besides that, FIOS, though not in Boston, has mainly stayed concentrated in the NE corridor. I constantly hear all the time on CNET's BOL that they wish they had the option of FIOS in San Francisco, but Verizon is not expanding out in their areas.

The problem ultimately is that the 3 major carriers here, and elsewhere in general, don't have a major incentive to improve or expand their coverage. They could tap all of the dark fiber cables that were installed in the late 90s and early 2000s, but why go and finish the last mile connections from the curb to the homes/apartments, when they can ink out every possible cent with the older infrastructure they have already? This is part of the reason why Comcast and Time Warner restrict the amount of data one can download per month to stifle heavy users on their networks. Otherwise, dear goodness, they would need to improve their infrastructure and that would require money!

Wow...

With all of this discussion, I feel like I'm back at UMass Amherst again.... Valid points on both sides

Why Fios Can't Come to Boston

It's prohibitively expensive for Verizon to bring Fios into most areas of Boston, which as we all know are extremely old and busy (with pedestrians, cars, T underground/aboveground, etc.)

The reason why is that the fiber optic cables are to be buried underground, not under dirt (like in say, a suburb) but in Boston's case, under pavement, side walk, etc. My father in law used to work at Edison and he mentioned that the maps they used to figure out where cables lie (and where the fiber optics would be laid) weren't even accurate. Bottom line, it would cause traffic snarls and be an extremely costly endeavor.

They could probably do it in the southern and southwestern parts of the city as they seem geographically more amenable to the necessary groundwork.

Why there is no competition b/w RCN and Comcast is beyond me. I live a few blocks from RCN on A Street and they don't provide service. Comcast only. Can't figure it out.

Wrong: Common Utility Ducts

First off: In the city we have this technology called "common utility ducts", which is where everything is run. Ever notice how you rarely see a Verizon crew at a site where they're digging? You only really see them at manholes, because they're using the utility ducts.

Second: the population density of a city means that cost of infrastructure per customer is much lower.

Furthermore, I strongly suspect they've had fiber crews working around the area for years and much of Boston already has fiber pulled. They're holding the capitol hostage until they get what they really want: a statewide franchise.

They don't always have to be buried either.

They can go from a pole to a house.

Ok a couple of you took what

Ok a couple of you took what I said and twisted it. I never said "low income people" nor specifically name any race. Its not the who, its the what is the problem here.

We've gone a bit too far offering subsidies. This isn't about race or financial situation. Again, where there's a will, there's a way. If you want the internet, you'll pay for it or find a way to get to it. Your life does not end if you don't have the internet at home. I'm sorry, no point will change my opinion about that. As hard as it is to believe, we did survive before the internet, and can do so without. Yes its a great thing and I love it, I even have made a fortune working for internet companies. But I don't think my tax dollars should subsidize people getting the internet at home.

As I said previously, 768k/100k up is sufficient for most peoples use. Why can't the ISPs offer a cheap under 15/mo package? Its all about money. Why lose money on a discounted product when you can get the government to give you a subsidy and call it "help for low income folks" when its really government charity for corporations, namely Comcast. Comcast, who has some of the most expensive internet packages around is making hand over fist, and the government really has no other choice than to team up with Comcast since Comcast is now a monopoly thanks again to this same government. Again its all corporate Welfare.

Maybe create tax breaks for companies who service these areas. (yes this is sorta corporate welfare, but good kind since it will spur growth and industry). There's pre-paid cellular now, why can't folks have pre-paid internet at home. Almost always internet installs (Cable or DSL) are 'self' installs. They just turn the box and/or line on. The user does the rest. Or maybe just have Pre-paid WiFiMax. Again the technology exists, why not do it? Lots of lower income people (and not so low income people) use prepaid because you pay as you go and it fits in with their lifestyle.

I, 100% support the effort to make the internet more available around the country in general. I know what having access can do. I, personally, am thankful for the internet as it has advanced my career, but I don't think of the internet necessity to live. Its a 'nice to have' but you're not going to die (literally) if you don't have it.

And I just don't think my tax dollars should be spent this way. We have libraries that are hurting right now, if the internet is so big and helpful, why aren't we building/saving libraries. The 'new' library of the future could be bookless and you get handed an ipad when you walk in. The library would end up looking more like a Starbucks than a library (as it would be mostly seating since the books would be gone.) I think this would be a better solution and serve far more people than just low income. Then everyone benefits, not just a certain group of people.

I think my bottom line is, its great there's initiative to service folks who may not have any other option. But I don't think we need to throw money at the problem to try to fix it. We have laws and policy, and if they aren't working to spur growth in this area, lets look at them and change them first before spending money we really don't have at a problem that may or may not work.

Is there WiFi in the Financial District and the adjacent area?

a) Does Mayor Menino have WiFi setup throughout the Financial District?... b) does the Mayor have WiFi have setup in the areas adjacent to the Financial District?

The Rose Kennedy Greenway and

The Rose Kennedy Greenway and Faneuil Hall Marketplace have free WiFi which is actually not too shabby in re: to service either.

City Hall itself

Has pretty decent public WiFi.

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