If only Pink Floyd went to BU: Hey, coppers, leave us kids alone

The BU Daily Free Press objects to efforts by the BU, Boston and Brookline police departments to crack down on underage drinking off campus, basically asking why they don't concentrate on catching real criminals:

While it is important to keep students safe, invading off-campus territories with constant patrols and threats will become a headache for off-campus residents and only increases stress among the student body.

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Boo F*CK*&^ Hoo!

Be law abiding citizens and they won't bother you.

Non-student Allstonians loving it

The more "headaches" for the drunken stoop sitters, street blockers, window breakers and TV throwers, the fewer hassles for the old ladies on Pratt and Ashford streets.

"Guns of Allston?" Really? "Clampdown" would have been more appropriate, but that also suggests that Joe Strummer would have given a damn about a student's "right" to get drunk and annoy the neighbors. The Allston-Brighton crust punks aren't much to look at, but at least they stand for something. A college student whose key civil liberties stance revolves around their "right" to play flipcup looks like little more than a brat to anyone who's not paying $5 at the door.

Say what you will about the Whose Fooders in JP, but at least their hearts are in the right place. It's tough to tie the affordable housing and gentrification arguments to the weekly beer pong tournament.

Really.

College kids have done little more than fight for their right to party since the Beastie boys came out with that song 20 years ago. And when they finally do something political? Its march down Comm Ave in a drunken parade to cheer a government hit squad and body dump in the ocean. Wow. Inspiring. Watch some more "24" on Netflix and get drunker and dumber. Throw the book at em.

Damnit, Chloe...

...don't throw us "24" fans in with the frat-boi crowd.
Some of us lead respectable lives and don't wake our neighbors at 4AM. Just sayin'.

Allston Zoo

The situation in the neighborhood is simply appalling and disgusting. Every Friday and Saturday hundreds of testosterone and estrogen fueled simians screaming, puking, pissing their way through 6 blocks of residential housing. Breaking every convention of mutual respect and tolerance. This is not ok. Let students party of course, its what college is about. That is not the same thing as a total disregard for any one not willing to join the screaming, puking, and pissing until 4 AM like clockwork. Respect the law (at least in public) and your neighbors, and no one will care what you do.

If you absolutely need to act out like a gorilla, at least take it up to Brighton Ave. This is a main street where both traffic and businesses lead to the expectation that there will be noise. That would be a minimum of restraint; wait two blocks until you completely disregard anybody else around you.

The bottom line is that even tolerant (and there are many) residents are sick of the wildly ignorant behavior. The police are not going to bother you IF YOU LEAVE YOUR NEIGHBORS ALONE. If you don't then the only answer is the men in blue until you do.

While I agree that the cops

While I agree that the cops focus should be on real crimes, if the cops have nothings else to do at the time why not have them patrol for underage drinking. It is illegal and might save some lives / property from damage.

Our tax dollars are paying the cops, they should be doing something with their time.

BspU

At BU in the late 80s there was a lot of strong, principled student activism going on. What's happened? I mean back then they crowded Marsh Plaza to protest that the students were not allowed to have guests of the opposite sex in their dorm rooms after 11:00 pm. There were little paper plates with the number 11 and a line through it stuck on all the dorm windows. It was really a moving statement. Even Abbie Hoffman came to talk to the students at a rally with the "Free Speech Band."

About six months later he committed suicide.

Hmmm...funny that.

Maybe . . .

. . . I'm not being fair. There was that walk for sluts' rights this year after all. Powerful. I cried. And I think there is a lot of activism against male circumcision among college kids these days! Oh- my lost wee wee skin! Oh- the horror!

College turned into a

College turned into a full-time daycare center for 20somethings to "explore," "innovate," and (supposedly) "learn." Rather than, y'know, get an education.

Besides, the majority of folks at these big urban universities, BC/NEU included, they're all going for a trade... business, communications, healthcare... nobody's there for the liberal arts education universities used to stand for. It's little wonder the attitude of the students is such that there's no principled activism. Why not just enjoy your early 20s while you're living with 30,000 peers in a .5-mile radius while your food, shelter, (and likely a lot more from le Parents) are 100% paid for.

Not to completely forget the tiny contingent of hardworking, thoughtful students out there, but we're generalizing here. Just like the Freep is generalizing the situation, just like the cops are generalizing Allston.

And I'm a BU grad and I'll never "give back" to the University who took my $200,000 and spent it on bullshit PR campaigns, unnecessarily-lavish dorms, and not a dime on the quality of education.

Not to mention the despicable and indefensible act of rescinding "need-blind" admissions. I could go on. That place is one tremendous tribute to superficiality and greed.

BU Student Drunks

Ah, but it they were all QUIET drunks...

Revenue?

The amount of bail money flowing in from out-of-state parents must be absolutely staggering. They're certainly not letting precious little Jayden and Madison spend the weekend in a scary big-city clink.

Bail isn't revenue...

Bail isn't revenue...

i stand corrected

Damn, I just really wanted to use the UH "special snowflake" meme so badly that I didn't think it through.

If they skip town it is though...right?

This must happen in less than 0.0000000000000000000001 per cent of cases with local students, but if Trey somehow failed to appear for his court date, the court collects the full amount of the bail bond, then THAT would be revenue, wouldn't it?

Really?

From the editorial:

Allston is a notoriously unsafe area, with or without the underage drinking that goes on within the region’s limits, and there are far more serious, dangerous crimes that could be curbed by a higher enforcement program.

"Notoriously unsafe"? Really? I have lived in Allston for the last 15 years, and the only times I have legitimately felt unsafe are when I have encountered individuals who have had too much to drink and are looking for 1. a fight or 2. someone to hookup with.

Most weeknights are fairly quiet in Allston. It isn't a coincidence that things get crazier on the weekends. To deny the real part that alcohol (from the parties or the bars) plays in the problems of Allston (vandalism, noise, violence, people falling off roofs - this lack of safety,) is unrealistic. If the students aren't doing anything illegal, there really is nothing for them to worry about, and they can feel "safer" knowing the police are watching out for them.

Welcome to the world of college journalism

I suffered through 4 years of lines like this in the Daily Free Press. Lots of alarmism, ad homonym, and straight forward inaccuracies. The reporters don't know the area on which they report, and the reviewing editors often don't either. Add to that the fact that story selection is often based upon what stirs the writers' emotions, and you'll get this sort of thing.

Best of all, the entire staff turns over in 3 to 4 years, so you'll get decades worth of patently false statements such as the myth that Warren Towers was designed by a prison architect and that Allston is a dangerous area. It's "dangerous," because the student miscreants fancy themselves as edgy heroes, slumming it with the rif raf to learn real world experience like how to get drunk and how to fight.

ad homonym

Sabotaged by spell-check? ("ad hominem" not being in its list of known words?)

;~}

maybe not so far off

Given a previous student editor post, maybe ad homonym is not so far off (your-you're, its-it's, ...)

Student newspaper. A

Student newspaper. A halfway-decent one, but still run by students. Your rant is like making fun of a minor-league sports team for not being a major-league sports team. Take a little less stock in an editorial written by a student who likely has never written one before.

Plus, this is week-2 for that person at the paper, isn't it? Cut em some slack for actually attempting traditional journalism.

Journalism students

...Are learning to bang the alarmism drum early, I take it?

Perhaps the students think Allston is "dangerous" because they've never encountered an urban area before? Growing up in protected suburbia and never leaving the house without the protection of 2 tons of metal?

Sadly, I get this attitude even from people who should know better -- residents of Lower Allston. You can tell that the other side of the 'pike has become fully suburbanized from the reflexive fear that the residents possess of the rest of the city.

How unsafe is Allston?

Your feelings aren't statistics.

Here's some actual Allston crime data:
http://www.universalhub.com/crime/allston.html

Even better stats

Just released by BPD and far more complete:

http://www.bpdnews.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Sept-12-2011.pdf

Allston/Brighton is D-14.

I don't like when people

I don't like when people (students or otherwise) make noise at night, or make a mess.

But I also don't like when cops decide to crack down, and start ticketing and arresting for victimless crimes like quietly drinking a beer on your own stoop.

So write to your

So write to your representatives and urge them to lower or eliminate the drinking age, instead of busting on the cops for doing their job.

It is a little wacky that a 19 year old smoking a joint isn't committing a crime, but one sipping a beer is.

A 19 year old smoking a joint is indeed breaking the law

but the state doesn't over react. Decriminalization does not equal legalization.

Decriminalization means

Decriminalization means EXACTLY that it isn't a crime. It's a civil infraction.

A victimless crime is still a

A victimless crime is still a CRIME.

Except when people are

Except when people are wrongly arrested.

Look, I like parties, even

Look, I like parties, even though I'm old and all. I like a nice quiet evening on the steps with or without a beverage.

There is a significant difference between 1 or 2 people sitting on the stoop have a beer (even if it's on every stoop) and 10-15 people standing in front of a house drinking out of plastic cups, spilling into the street. If all people were doing was quietly hanging out- noone would care. That is part of normal neighborhood life. It's the loud parties that spill into the streets (and run late and loud), the crowds of rowdy drunks/partiers weaving in threes and fives and twelves down the middle of the street yelling and the jerks getting into fistfights in the streets that have the attention of the neighborhood and the cops.

I suspect the cops are not thrilled to be stuck playing nanny to kids who should know better, but really, ignoring the problem was not making it go away.

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Just wondering

how many of the people who have called for this increased enforcement are the same people who routinely object when BU and other universities put forth proposals to build additional dorms.

They always want it both

They always want it both ways. Get the students out of the neighborhood, but how dare you build more dorms. It's annoying as hell.

/NU alum who was a very quiet neighbor in Back Bay

Enforcement != Banishment

I didn't see anyone in this thread call for the students to be kicked out. I know there are some who would like that, but they are wrong. Living together, students and non-students are fine, the problem is when they get noisy at night. And it's not necessarily students doing it, either.

Time to bring back some great

Time to bring back some great jurisprudence from decades past.

"Mr Terrier, you have a choice. You can serve X-months in the county jail, or you can serve your country by enlisting in the United States Marines."

Sound of Harp Music...< There were many young people who got a little bit of help growing up and avoided s record.

Summing Up

There is no argument that can be made for the student’s revolting and ignorant behavior.
Many worthy discussions can be had about exceeding police authority or the best methods for helping students show more maturity and consideration.
The telephone lines of the police are often full of nothing other than noise and disturbance complaints from Allston residents on Friday and Saturday. There is no question that hundreds of people are totally fed up, many of whom are likely also students. Its not students per se that are the problem, it is the collection of students who regularly treat Allston as their personal latrine and breeding cage.
The simple message cannot be repeated enough. Leave your neighbors in peace, and the police can get back to other tasks. It could start with the simple understanding that the entire neighborhood is NOT PARTYING WITH YOU AT 2 AM. Lets just start there, just shut up in a residential neighborhood after 12 or so. That’s it, just stop yelling and yahooing your way through other people’s living room. Even your hormone driven alcoholized teenage brain is able to understand this. You made it to BU or another great university, now leave it without a criminal record for nothing. How about that thought.

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