Jamaica Plain is a commons place

The Jamaica Plain Gazette reports on the neighborhood's ties to the "commons movement," the idea that certain things belong to everybody.

"I think JP is already a commons-rich place," Bradley explained, with "a sense of those things in our community that we treasure as shared resources and shared spaces, places we walk, our libraries, community gardens, the sidewalk life of JP, the cultural celebrations that have blossomed here and the common sense of deep community and our shared spaces."

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Does this include

The seating area and community bulletin boards in the front of the Whole Foods?

*runs away*

Must Be

It isn't anyplace else I've come across in JP. It's hard to reconcile these unsubstantiated claims with the real JP of crime reports and Washington Street and SE Center Street. Camelot is a delusion.

you're my hero for today

Libraries?

JP really is fantastic with its libraries and places to walk, unlike say most other neighborhoods in the city which only have libraries and other places to walk. I'd love to know what 'sidewalk life' means- does it mean people walking down the street in general or the pan handlers outside the convenience store specifically?

So typical of JP

We are special, we are different, we are better. Um, actually, you're quite a bit like the rest of Boston, but with quite a bit more attitude. I was so put off by Maura Hennigan's campaign for mayor, which literally stated that she wanted to make the rest of the Boston more like JP. That was her solution to everything.

So the rest of Boston should

So the rest of Boston should be more like Mattapan?

Wow, Adam!

How do you get all these mind(mis)readers participating here?

Nobody said the rest of Boston is perfect

but then, neither is JP. Sure, Mattapan has some problems, most of which could be solved quite easily with the income levels found in JP. There are some very nice things about JP that can be attributed to the wealth of the residents. There are some very nice things that can be attributed to historic factors (ie the presence of pastoral parks). But none of that is due to JP residents doing things different or better. It's not some mystical appreciation for commons and sidewalk culture. Lots of neighborhoods have similar features. Why not give Dorchester credit for Franklin Park, for example? Why not give Roslindale credit for the Arboretum?

Some people in JP, as demonstrated by the article and a few comments here at Universal Hub, think they are personally responsible for these features, and if they don't perceive them to exist elsewhere, they assume it's because the people elsewhere aren't enlightened enough to make it happen.

When you make assumptions....

When you make assumptions....

You

make an ass of Uma Thurman?

I saw "Pulp Fiction". She

I saw "Pulp Fiction". She has no ass whatsoever.

No, there's a difference

When people in Dorchester or Roslindale live close to large historic parks, it's not because of virtue on their part. It's just accidental. Because the people in JP who live close to large historic parks that predate their grandparents have lots of money, this ennobles the parks, and makes their presence specially virtuous. Just by gracing the neighborhood and the park with their enlightened and wealthy (in all senses, material and spiritual!!!) presence, they turn the park into an magical Commons that may even have the power to save ... the ... world!

my empirical findings

Seriously? I moved to JP after 5 years in the north end and I have to say it was palpably different from day one.

I was floored that people on the sidewalk make eye contact, say "hi"--not everyone of course, but much more than I'd experienced elsewhere in the city.

The fact that cars stop at unlit crosswalks and wave pedestrians across the street floored me; likewise the first time I was waved into traffic on my bike by a stopped motorist (which was not coincidentally the first time I biked into the neighborhood, to sign my lease).

There can be a "JP attitude" among the hyper self-conscious types, this can be found many places (see Brooklyn), but really I've never encountered it in nearly the magnitude of the ridiculous anti-JP sentiment on Universal Hub. Fighting a pile of snark with a mountain of your own doesn't really make anyone look good.

I'm happy in JP, if you're happy elsewhere then let's just both be happy and get on with our lives, shall we?

Point in case

What you have observed in JP can be found in most (though not all) of the primarily residential neighborhoods. Everything that you've listed would also apply to my neighborhood, which is not JP. Yet you say it's "palpably different." From the North End, yes. From Roslindale, Roxbury, Dorchester, Hyde Park? Not so much. I recommend you get on that bike and ride around some of the other neighborhoods. When you get to these places, lock up, check out a bakery or restaurant, a park bench, library, or just take a stroll. Then get back to us about whether JP is any more special than other neighborhoods.

Please...

I lived in Roxbury for a few years and frequently bike through Rox, Dot, downtown, Back Bay, and the North End. The next time a driver in any of those neighborhoods stops to accommodate me on my bike will be the first. And, yes, I live in JP and would not live anywhere else in our great city.

You are missing out...

there are many other neighborhoods around where kind folks will make eye contact with you on the street, say "hi" and cars will stop to let you pass by whether walking or riding.

Spring is beautiful bicycling weather so get out and explore!

And there is a reason for what you call "ridiculous anti-JP sentiment on Universal Hub." First, it is not ridiculous to the people posting, many who post thoughtful and well-articulated comments. And, for me, it is not so much being anti-JP (as I said, in an earlier post, I lived there in the mid 1980s) but the influx of pretentious types who are a bit too smug for their own good.

For the record, I like JP

And I know lots of good people who live there. What I don't like, and which I think you've identified is the cause of the so-called anti-JP attitude, is that some JP residents are filled with the idea that the great things about their neighborhood can only be found in JP. It speaks volumes about the person who makes such statements, because what they are really saying, is that they don't know this city very well, and they don't know the history of JP.

Very nicely said...

thank you.

I do find it so very interesting why some people think this way and/or believe it to be true. It is a never ending source of fascination for me.

For the record I'm a

For the record I'm a dedicated urban explorer and not some pollyanna who never leaves a small circle of comfort.

The friendly sidewalk culture of JP in my experience exceeds that of my experience in:

East Boston
North End
Back Bay
Dorchester (i haven't spent much time south of Ronan Park though)
Roxbury
South End
Southie
Beacon Hill
Fenway
Brighton (where I lived)
Allston
and most areas of the nearby adjacent cities (brookline, cambridge, somerville, everett, revere, winthrop, etc)'

And it has certainly be a more friendly communal experience than reading Universal Hub boards.

Your mileage may vary of course, and its hardly quantifiable, I'm only going on my senses.

Roslindale, Hyde Park, Readville, and Mattapan I have very limited experience on foot, but I have seen the Roslindale market on Saturday mornings which seems pretty great. And my experience in West Rox is limited to Centre Street though drivers going through there definitely seem (again, to me) to have more of a highway mindset. We shop at Roche's sometimes and have occasion to visit the businesses along centre (FixMasters!) but despite its sidewalk decoration it's still a carscape, where it seems to me that more people walk from a store to their parked car, A to B, rather than strolling the whole street as one. It's no fault of the people, it's particular to the design of the area, but it's definitely a different "sidewalk culture"

So I'm just sharing my experience, and it's probably different from others, but it's likely similar to many more.

And ok, the article is a bit ridiculous and self congratulatory, but what do you expect? It's a sub-local paper reporting on a constituent neighborhood task force. They want to grow businesses in Hyde Park and right a ship that has been sinking the last few years. They are understandably wary of a big box retailer coming in, even if their actions are a bit out of whack and off course (for the record i'm pro whole foods).

Nowhere in the article does it say that Roslindale or anywhere else is exempt. If you're so upset about JP doing this and other areas not, start it up there!

Friendly sidewalk culture?

I am not sure what you mean by "friendly sidewalk culture." I, too, have travel very far and wide, and really enjoy speaking to people. I have found in most places you can find some really nice people. Make eye contact. Smile. And you might have have instant conversation. So I am not sure why you are having a difficult time.

Funny thing is, I find West Roxbury much more "friendly" than JP!
West Roxbury has a good amount of foot traffic - not great, but getting better. They have the Corrib 5K race which is a great experience with a big block party after wards in Billings Field. Nice mix of stores and restaurants. One of the best last places to buy awesome donuts (Go Anna's!) I don't know...guess it is in the eye of beholder, right?

In regards to these posts for this particular article, I sense no hostility but people making some very good points. I am truly sorry that you feel offended but I would say it has been rather civil (as compared to other boards.)

Man, you are a choice example!

Nowhere in the article does it say that Roslindale or anywhere else is exempt. If you're so upset about JP doing this and other areas not, start it up there!

See, there you go again! Nobody's upset about what JP does. We find annoying the implication that the good things happening there don't happen elsewhere. Maybe you don't realize you're saying it, but when you say other neighborhoods can also do this, you mean that they don't now do it. See what we're getting at here? No, I'm sure you don't.

They want to grow businesses in Hyde Park and right a ship that has been sinking the last few years.

I think you mean Hyde Square. Hyde Park is one of those other neighborhoods, filled with people who haven't started up the good things being done in JP. How well do you know this city again?

I have seen the Roslindale market on Saturday mornings which seems pretty great.

It's starting up again in a few weeks. I recommend you do more than just see. Spend a morning there and you might just find that Adams Park in Rozzie is a better, stronger community feature than some of that sidewalk culture you love. Then again, everybody has their own preferences. I'm glad JP is perfect for you, I really am. But don't delude yourself into thinking that it's some sort of oasis surrounded by banality.

See, there you go again!

See, there you go again! Nobody's upset about what JP does. We find annoying the implication that the good things happening there don't happen elsewhere. Maybe you don't realize you're saying it, but when you say other neighborhoods can also do this, you mean that they don't now do it. See what we're getting at here? No, I'm sure you don't.

What I meant is by tying themselves to this larger movement. If you are upset that they do that and don't mention your neighborhood, inject yourselves into it rather than complaining that another neighborhood is excluding you.

I think you mean Hyde Square. Hyde Park is one of those other neighborhoods, filled with people who haven't started up the good things being done in JP. How well do you know this city again?

Obvious typo. I just mentioned Hyde Park as a separate neighborhood earlier in my post. And to answer your snarky question, I'm not native or a cabdriver but I think I know the city relatively well for a young-ish transplant without a car.

Don't hate.

Don't be snarky bitches. JP has an awesome sense of community unlike many other places in Boston.

Unfortunately this WF thing is a bit out of control, but it seems to be a tiny segment of the population screaming the loudest - most people don't agree.

Re: crime - Boston in general has a low crime rate, JP has issues here and there but it's not a cesspool of crime. Look at real stats all over the city before you make that statement.

Really? Again?

"Unlike many other places in Boston?

Are you sure about that?

I am not sure if you just recently moved to JP (if so I can understand your misinformation). But if you have lived in JP for years, I am amazed.

I lived in JP in the mid 1980s (where I was mugged and sexually assaulted, two different incidents, but that is a different story). I did not sense any "awesomeness" in regards to sense of community back then so maybe it is a relatively new phenom. I remember JP being a pretty bleak place to live but, then, the rents were cheap.

Yes, JP is not as crime ridden as say in the 1970s (or before) but now I just see JP as a haven for hipster types with cash to burn in places like City Feed and Ten Tables. At least if they want to feel like they are at the forefront of a new movement, it will get them off of the backs of WH.

Gentrification is a bitch baby.

Awesome?

Inspiring awe? Oh, my. Stick to words like 'snarky' and 'bitches' and learn a bit about awe, dear child.

Awe

I meant awe. It's a pretty amazing place, dear elder. :)

Really?

We need a "movement" to inform us when to pick up trash off the sidewalk or plant flowers to make something look pretty?

Well, we need something...

If you considered life in JP bleak, I really can't imagine where you're living now. I haven't read the article yet, so not sure of the degree of smugness, but yeah--JP is pretty unusual and pretty awesome. I ascribe a lot of the awesomeness not to hipsters or smug yuppies but a few other crucial things--a mix of housing stock that ensures that we have a mix of people here--students, families, etc., a pretty liberal attitude vis a vis racial, ethnic and sexual orientation. For various reasons, JP was never as ethnocentric and tribal as say, Southie or Charlestown or Roxbury--it'd be hard for anyone to walk up Centre Street and have the locals say "wow--THAT guy doesn't belong here! Who are you and what are you doing here?" We have a great "Main Street" where everybody goes. We have an extraordinary amount of green space which, I think, draws a lot of people who like to be outside and who often have those two instant-friend-makers--dogs and children. Is it perfect? No, but it's a terrific place to live and I think most of the people who live here appreciate it for something special.

You should really re-read my original post.

I said that when I lived in JP in the mid 1980s, yes, it was pretty bleak. Center street was not as cleaned up as it is now. We did not have a City Feed. Or snappy restaurants. It had crime, as when I mentioned that I was raped and mugged on two separate instances, but the rents were cheap. And you still had a nice pond to walk around.

I do not live in JP now because I could not afford it (but, that is another story).

And where I live now I choose to live because it is affordable (but, that is another story).

Again, as other posters have duly noted, we find it curious that you think JP is "awesome" and "something special" because (correct me if I am wrong): 1) You have a nice mix of people, 2) you have many who are of different sexual orientations, 3)you have a "great" main street (not sure if I agree with that one), 4) you have green space and 5) a liberal attitude which is one of acceptance of your class.

All those qualities can be found in Cambridge, can be found in Brookline, can be found in Wellesley, can be found in Newton, can be found...shall I go on?

You appear to be one of those in JP that feel you live in an "awesome" and "special" place because of qualities that can be found in many other towns. That just makes JP in danger of becoming another becoming bastion of liberal*, highly educated, creative types, gay or straight, with generally higher incomes, who enjoy good food and feel like they live in a very special place.

*I also swing liberal.

Disagree...

I've spent plenty of time in the towns you mention, and while I have nothing against them, they are NOTHING like JP. Nothing like the mix of ages, income level, race and ethnicity, or sexual orientation. It makes me a little queasy to use these tired terms like "diversity" but yes--we have it in spades and those places don't. Not to mention that none of them are remotely affordable for most people, certainly not me. Id be willing to bet too that we have more open space than any of those towns, and two of the biggest and best parks in the city. I was mugged TWICE in Cambridge, in neighborhoods that I cant even dream of affording to live in. And frankly I'm not sure what you mean by "liberal attitude which means acceptance of your class." Actually what I mean by "liberal attitude" is one that adheres to a more open-minded, less judgmental position re other people and their lifestyles--It's not a neighborhood that's defined by exclusiveness.

JP in the 80s was definitely a different place than it is now, but it still had a lot of the same leanings and again, the same distinct lack of traditional boston tribalism--my friends who grew up here seemed bound more by geography and culture than by the fact that they were Irish or Italian, or that they all went to St. So and So's or Chinese school together. And sorry, but Centre Street is great and it was, even back in the day.

Well, Sally...

I think we have to agree to disagree.

I am not sure how much time you have spent in the other towns that I listed but I do not agree that JP has diversity "in spades" and those places do not. That, in itself, is a pretty bold comment.

JP has some diversity but that is becoming less and less as it becomes more gentrified. And JP is not affordable for many people. While maybe not on the same level yet with some of those towns (Newton and/or Wellesley), the average house price in JP is, well, way beyond the range of many folks. To use a word you used, JP, in my opinion, has become and is becoming more "exclusive".

I agree that JP has some nice open spaces but, again, you mentioned "green space" first, not large park spaces. If we are talking "green space" those towns that I mention fit the bill. Yes, the Arnold Arboretum is quite nice, as well as the Emerald Necklace, the pond, all those things but Milton (just to name another town that fits all your previous qualities) has the Blue Hills and Fowl Meadow. Dedham (my home town) has Wilson Mountain. You can find large, lovely spaces in many places.

I am sorry that you did not understand my comment about liberal* attitude and class and I apologize. I should of been clearer. Your definition is the traditional definition. Many people like to think they are "liberal". Unfortunately, too many times I run up against "liberals", and some being my friends, who do not possess any of the qualities in the definition. They are smug, generally self-satisfied people, who tend to look down on those who are not as they are and also have the tendency to be very exclusive to those outside their "tribe" and/or "clan".

I am not sure what you mean being bound by "culture" and "geography", living in JP in the 1980s. Maybe you trying to say that it was not a bastion of the Irish Catholics such as West Roxbury or as Italian as the North End or as black as Roxbury, which, in itself, is disturbing.

*and, again, I consider myself a liberal

*ahem*

The "average house price in JP is...way beyond the range of many folks" because it is BOSTON - one of the most expensive places to live IN THE COUNTRY - not because it is JP.

http://www.businessreviewusa.com/industry-focus/property/top-10-most-expensive-places-live

http://www.bestplaces.net/city/massachusetts/boston

The type of diversity you describe

is available across many different towns and neighborhoods. JP needs to get over itself.

Look at a census map

JP is only diverse because we're calling a largeish area by one neighborhood name. Actually, it has rich white ghettos, Latino ghettos, student/hipster ghettos, etc. Most areas of JP aren't actually diverse in terms of race, income, etc.

(This is also of course true in most of Boston, but I don't think JP is somehow better than other neighborhoods just because it's big enough to include more than one Balkanized little neighborhood.)

That's a good observation.

That's a good observation. Many of the African Americans in JP are in the housing projects or near Egleston sq. The Latinos are mostly north of Boylston street. There are Pondside streets that appear to be all-white.

Much of JP is still segregated, but the segregation is within the district. That's diversity, sort of. Not entirely different from towns where the minorities live on the other side of the tracks.

Look-I'm the last person to

Look-I'm the last person to be claiming some kind of moral superiority for JP or JPers,especially after all this foolishness about WF, but I still just disagree with you--or several of you! I don't know of any neighborhood anywhere that is truly diverse in a perfectly integrated, balanced way, but I'd also argue that JP comes about as close as we can hope for to a "mixed" neighborhood, for all of the reasons I outlined above. And sorry, but check some stats--by no definition is Wellesley, Brookline or even Cambridge as diverse as JP. I would argue too that it is distinctly NOT ghettoized. Yes, there are fancier pondside areas and housing projects but the majority of JP has a mixed housing stock of single families, three deckers, two-families, condos, rentals, etc. so that you then get a mix of different ages, races, income levels, etc, living there. I have neighbors--immediate neighbors--who are artists, cooks, nurses, postal workers, contractors...and these are just a few of the folks I know. There are some yuppie types; there are some big Dominican families and a lot of young families with babies; there are a bunch of gay couples, young singles and fixie-riding hipster types, several wonderfully active retirees...I'm not saying we all sit around all day holding hands and singing, but it is LESS balkanized, less ghettoized than any other neighborhood I know. Not saying it's better than the South End or Westie or whatever, but it is what it is and I love it here. Sorry.

Don't Lie!!

I saw you and some gay Dominican tattooed & pierced retiree holding hands and singing Anne Murray tunes! Don't try and hide it!

I'd agree that JP is probably more "tossed" than most Boston n'hoods. Eastie is a bit more like a salad that hasn't been tossed all that much and all the cherry tomatoes end up at the bottom of the bowl with the onions and the croutons are off to one side. Certainly none of Boston could really be considered much of a "melting pot," but then again I haven't found too many places that I recognize as such.

Don't forget Boston's quiet middle child

Certainly none of Boston could really be considered much of a "melting pot,"

You are perhaps correct - however, I would invite you to take a stroll through Roslindale - from the Arboretum along Washington through Adams Park and up to the Stony Brook Reservation. On the way, pop into the stores around Rozi village and take stock of the number of languages you see on signage or hear greeting you - english, spanish, greek, italian, thai, portuguese, swahili, lebanese, japanese - et al I'm sure.

***

Fwiw, I actually think that JP is pretty great - and deserves props for being both funky and diverse - but I'm also not suprised when people prone to grumpiness or cynicism get tired of the sometimes-strident "We're fabulous!" attitude.

Er...I don't know what you're talking about!

That was totally not me doing an interpretative dance to The Circle Game--no way!

I love East Boston (and was psyched to see the new plans for Central Square recently). I seriously thought about moving there a few years back, but yeah--figured I'd feel more like a cherry tomato or a crouton...

the idea

"that certain things belong to everybody." You mean socialism? Yeah, there have been socialists in JP for a long time.

This seems a very bourgeois

This seems a very bourgeois use of the term "commons". The commons was always about economic uses. The classic example was the common use of land where everyone was allowed to harvest resources from it such as collecting firewood or grazing livestock.

Michael Rawson has a good discussion in his excellent environmental history of Boston "Eden on the Charles". Boston Common was originally a commons in the more traditional sense and was a site for BOTH work and leisure. People would go there to enjoy some time off but all to graze their cattle or clean their rugs or do other things which were economically productive. The militia would drill there and I think there was even an industrial concern of some sort located there. In the 19th century wealthier Bostonians became concerned about the mixing of work space and leisure space and led a movement which resulted in the Common turning into what it is now: a space almost entirely devoted to leisure where you're supposed to walk around and contemplate nature. With the exception of Mr Nut Roaster and his like there's almost no economic activity going on on the Common. And in fact we've seen movements to ban less than bourgeois usages of the Common, such as the homeless people who use it as a place to sleep.

No economic activity on the Common?

Not true. I bought weed from a guy there once.

My thoughts, exactly...

One more thing though: the site, I believe, also contained the hanging tree. Not sure if that would fit under work or leisure (depends, I guess, on who is doing the hanging) but I do like what you said!

Yep, you had executions. You

Yep, you had executions. You also had active burial grounds on the Common. There were also rope walks right at the western edge of the Common, where the Public Garden is now. And people used the tidal flats of the Back Bay, which is visible from the Common, for a wide variety of activity including fishing and disposing of both household and industrial waste.

...except when its not

This article surprised me when also considering that JP is also home to Whose Food, a group which advocates keeping middle class families from moving to JP. How does pitting one population against another create community?

I'm also surprised their incredibly anti-Semitic skit this past Saturday didn't get more coverage. Children on stage with the caricature of a Jewish shopkeeper snatching money while klemzer music plays in the background and the crowd boos him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpDzYpF9j54

...ugh

...oy.
(but I mean that in the skinhead, Doc Martens kinda way..so Oy!)

I wouldn't call it "incredibly" anti-Semitic, but ill-advised and insensitive and not particularly strategic, well yes. I'm pretty much an anti-corporation type of "lefty" person, but somebody opening a business and selling goods to people who are free to go somewhere else or open their own bodega, does not strike me as oppression. Businesses close. You can't force someone to stay in business if they want to cash out and retire.

The conditions that led to Whole Foods deciding that the HiLo location was worth it have been developing for years and many of the people protesting have been a part of that. Not that they want the rent to go up, but they do want cool shops, restaurants and other businesses in the n'hood. They should be leaning on the local n'hood groups, chamber of commerce, the city, etc. to address affordability and land use planning/zoning. People need to be involved in those processes in order to mitigate the considerable downside of gentrification. Unfortunately those processes aren't as fun as puppet shows and thanks to the BRA are about as accessible to the people most affected by gentrification as ...well something very inaccessible.

I believe...

that's "oi!!" :)

no no..

...I meant skinheads, Doc Martens, payot and a slick bekishe...you know "Oy!"

Then you do mean "oi"... oy

Then you do mean "oi"... oy is the Jewish version.

Oi Oy Oi

No, no. I mean "Jingle Bells." You know, deck them halls and all that stuff?
...

No, no. You don't get it at all. I mean "Jingle Bells." You know, Santa Claus and ho-ho-ho, and mistletoe and presents to pretty girls.

dinkdinkdink dinkdinkdink....

Squeeze-box = Klezmer?

Wasn't aware that Jews were the only ones to make use of that instrument.

Fwiw, it seems to me that the audience was fine watching the (semitic-looking-according-to-you) Mr Knapp take bag after bag of "money" from the kids, and started booing when the blonde Scots-named Mr. Mackey (CEO of Whole Foods) showed up with a "golden parachute".

Damn Scots always throwing their money around!

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full disclosure - I'm part of (what appears to be) the overwhelming majority of locals who are somewhere in the middle on the WF thing - not that sad to see a poorly run, often dirty place like Hi-Lo leave, mixed feelings about WF - optimistic about the better quality, concerned about higher prices and possible corporate shenanigans.

The radicalized people on either end - the embarrassingly self-important protesters and the knee-jerk haters of all things 'liberal' - are, I believe, loving the noise and smoke and attention this topic is getting.

Funny how I never saw Hi-Lo

Funny how I never saw Hi-Lo called dirty until Whole Foods came along. I guess I just wasn't listening about that dirty Latino store.

Didn't spend enough time there to judge, but...

It wasn't until people started swooning and revering to it as an iconic landmark jewel whose removal would literally destroy the community that people felt compelled to point out that it wasn't all that.

"saw" it called dirty?

Of course not - no one ever wasted time writing about it. But if you lived in the immediate neighborhood (like I did for about a decade and a half total) you most certainly would have heard people complain about the poor level of cleanliness and the uneven quality of the goods.

(Btw, I liked the way you slipped "dirty" and "Latino" together there - very clever, conflating the primary ethnicity of the customers with a critique of the store itself - and doing so in manner that exploits a classic race-baiting trope. A semantic manuever Roger Ailes himself would have to admire.)

It's always been dirty..

It's always been dirty.. check the reviews on Yelp.

It also wasn't that cheap.

I watched it and didn't see anything anti-Semitic

The music isn't especially "klezmer" and Knapp is certainly not a typically Jewish name.

“We hear in the media, all

“We hear in the media, all our problems can be solved by the free market. That’s not true

The people in all those million dollar homes seem to be doing pretty good by the free market. The free market paid for the Arboretum - I never hear of any dizzy socialists refusing to take advantage of it. Funny this isn't happening in Hyde Park, where there are no million dollar homes.

No, no,

JP isn't nice because people are rich. It's nice because they're virtuous. You've got it all wrong.

Not quite. They are the

Not quite. They are the virtuous rich - they vote Democrat.

I'm interested in this "free

I'm interested in this "free market" that has 1000 year leases @ $1 a year, I think that would be a great economic opportunity for my family. Let me know of where I can get more information.

I'd be happy to help you.

I'd be happy to help you. Benjamin Bussey bought up the land that became the Arboretum with the profits from his Dedham mills. James Arnold left money in his will - earned in the whaling trade - to do good works at the discretion of his trustees. It was those two entirely free market fortunes that gave the city of Boston the land, and Harvard the oversight. That's about as free market as you can get.

I'm talking about the century

I'm talking about the century and a half since then.

And are you sure you really want to hold up the 19th century American textile trade as your exemplar of "free market"?

How come Whole Foods ads

show up on my UH page? Lots of google traffic regarding WH?

It's a keyword thing

Whole Foods has "bought" UH pages that mention Jamaica Plain.

So in this home of diversity,

So in this home of diversity, how many black or hispanic people will show up at this thing?

Sheesh - this is so JP!

Sheesh - this is so JP!

People in all communities band together as they have for generations to achieve common goals. Public Libraries, Community Theaters, Churches, Schools, Little League, the list goes on and on.

Despite a tone and hyperbolic language that suggests that these things were invented in Jamaica Plain or that somehow these transplanted, over-educated, Super Virtuous folk invented these things.

Diversity? If you went to any manufacturing town in New England, you found neighborhoods or even streets where folks who had emigrated from many different nations to work in factories, educate their children and support each other in a foreign land.

Talk about euphemistic language? "We treasure...blossomed...deep community" Could the author of these words find more superlative words? This surely must be paradise!

I suspect that many of these folks, grew up in sterile, white-bread suburbs that generated the income for their liberal arts degrees and when they moved to a city neighborhood discovered that there were actually different people who lived near them.

The giddiness of this discovery along with a degree of affluence, usually not enjoyed by those different people, allowed a new found degree of self satisfaction, often confused with civic virtue.

Indeed it is this degree of affluence which is bringing Whole Foods to JP. If they really were interested in the diversity represented by Hi-Lo by shopping there. Support local businesses, perhaps Flanagan's market would still be there? However, I imagine those places were a little too grungy, a little too worn.

See you all at the Whole Food's opening :)

Uh-oh - "Reports", Adam?

I have some small concern with the way you've framed this piece, Adam - to wit:

The Jamaica Plain Gazette reports...

In fact, the web-only article you linked to is explicitly an opinion piece, not reportage, and was written by someone who is apparently not a Gazette staff member.

Given the level of heat and noise surrounding this issue already, I think that making such distinctions very clear is vital.

Kind of tough to tell

The article falls under the Sights & Sounds section (not Opinion), which has the heading Arts and Entertainment when you click on it. It does seem like the piece mostly represents the views of the author who wrote the commons book, without any opposing comment that you would hope to find in a news story. But this kind of self-congratulatory puff piece about the neighborhood is pretty typical of community papers, so I think it's pretty harmless even if you call it "reporting".

JP doesn't welcome everyone... too bad

Not sure how 'awesome' JP can be when so many of the residents publicly proclaim their hatred toward so many groups of people... hipsters, yuppies, people who have jobs that earn more than lower tier income pay, people who shop at Whole Foods, people who aren't of ethnic backgrounds on the 'JP=preferred' list, etc. etc. This kind of exclusivity sounds pretty crappy to me.

I have not read...

the word "hate" in any of these postings, yet, except yours. I personally do not hate anyone. One can still debate issues in a civil manner.

Just because I don't agree with a point someone makes, it does not mean I "hate" that person. Yikes.

So your comment that "so many of the residents publicly proclaim their hatred toward so many groups of people" is overblown. I am not sensing that at all.

But, again, that is only me.

not directing my comment toward you in particular

Did I say YOU personally used the word hate? No. The animosity toward the groups that I mentioned is clear. If you can't pick that up then you're tone deaf. Of course I must be flawed since I don't fit the narrow definition of what constitutes a 'preferred' JP resident these days. Don't hate me next time I have dinner at Ten Tables which is FANTASTIC, by the way. Does that make me a yuppy? Was I a hipster because I used to bowl at Milky Way?

"I have dinner at Ten Tables

"I have dinner at Ten Tables which is FANTASTIC, by the way. Does that make me a yuppy? Was I a hipster because I used to bowl at Milky Way?"

Yes :)

For those who can measure their familiarity with JP in decades, there are still memories of the long decades of urban decline in Boston after the second world war. It was certainly a place that working class families and individuals could find apartments at a low cost.

That same low cost housing drew college students, who found that the area offered many great things and they began to settle here eventually to buy homes. Coincidentally this coincided with the condo boom, where three-decker rental properties were taken off the rental market.

It's basic economics, more people coming in, drives up housing costs, this means that marginal people, some of whom lived here a longtime, and most of whom were not as economically and educationally advantaged, were pushed out.

So the previous poster asked, "Does that make me a yuppy?" It depends, Yuppyness is a relative term. If one sees Ten Tables as an extravagant luxury, that's more affectation than value, they would probably see you as a yuppy.

Like many of us, I fall somewhere in the spectrum. But I know from whence I came. If I have the benefit of being better educated, I also know that earlier JP residents had a fortitude and wisdom that probably didn't include Ten Tables or City Feed.

Wait - isn't this piece just

Wait - isn't this piece just all about some guy's book? A book about 'the commons movement' that happens to use Jamaica Plain as an example?

Is the article really about how self-important, self-righteous, and self-congratulating JPers are? I didn't read that part. I thought it was about an urban development phenomenon.

Beauty of city neighborhoods

I have lived in 5 distinctly different neighborhoods in Boston, including JP. Each offered its own, unique and very clear character.

Presently I like JP's the most due to its characteristics. What are they? One is its parks. To me, more than anything else, JP signature characteristic are its parks. Everything else is at least influenced, if not actually shaped by that feature. Everything else is either complementary or bluntly contrasting against the parks. This includes the sheer luxury of so much open space offered by the parks. The parks also act as historical evidence of 19th century city building that parks represent. Finally the parks contain within them evidence of the natural history as seen in JP Pond, the puddingstone outcroppings in Franklin Park and Franklin Park itself.

Second is its architecture. JP is full of architectural variety and richness. The obvious age of the buildings also communicates a sense of time that exists beyond anyone person. The buildings in the neighborhood which oldest communicate to an age where one day equals obsolete that some things only get better as they get older.

The trees in JP. Living beings that have have stood longer than most people in the neighborhood are alive. If only the trees could talk....

I don't consider JP any better than any other neighborhood in the Boston area. But it does possess characteristics that by themselves are of great value.

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