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Medford councilor takes bold stand against computering

Medford Patch reports on a city-council debate over texting while legislating. One city councilor verbed against those newfangled "texting machines:"

I have the brain that God gave me. No one is going to computer me to tell me what to say or do, or advise me.

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The awful bell when you slap the handle to return the platen to the starting position really can be distracting, eh?

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Wait until this guy finds out that someone videotaped the meeting on a portable cinemeography machine.

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A prime example of the difference between generations right now...I'm not sure there was ever a technology like the internet that divided society quite as much. Some people have never used it, are scared of it, and have no clue what computers are capable of...and others use it for just about everything. I don't need a computer machine to tell me that it's just a matter of time before they are everywhere!

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Electricity and horseless carriages may have been equally divisive. The scene where Maggie Smith in Downton Abbey expresses her fear about the fumes generated by electricity was priceless.

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Always good to know that our legislators are spending so much time on such important resolutions.

And that when they bring up these resolutions they don't even know the proper vocabulary. "Computering?"

*Sigh*

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Reminds of former Sen. Ted Stevens "internet is a series of tubes" speach from 5 years ago.

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First, shouldn't that be "computerin'" followed by a spittoon ringing out?

Now, let me take his side (albeit better explained):

Texting your wife to tell her you'll be a little late for dinner but the red cami she just MMS'd you will be fine for dessert is just as distracting as looking up pertinent info on whatever topic the council is discussing actively. There is something to be said for keeping your face out of a laptop or smartphone, no matter what the valid reason, when you're supposed to be an active participant in making decisions with citywide implications. That's not to say that every person can't multitask well enough to use the laptop and stay in the conversation, but since it's pretty much impossible to differentiate between those that can and those that can't as well as it being personally invasive to try and differentiate between texting the wife and researching the topic...the best rule is probably to require a decorum where "computerin'" is outlawed or kept to a very brief minimum inside the room.

Secondly, in the article itself, there's a very real concern for confirmation bias in part because of my prior point. You're distracted by the discussion and you're trying to keep your use of the laptop to a minimum. There's enough idiots AND smart people on the internet who will write anything, be it true or false (think of it as a political corollary to "Rule 34"). Just look at our federal Senate where Jon Kyl just said on the official record that Planned Parenthood spends 90% of their time doing abortions. If you look that up and use it as proof of your point, then you're wrong and the discussion is worse for it. It's only if you're lucky or have time to do more searching that you'd find the fact that it's 3% not 90% and he had to basically put out a press release where he said "I was lying and I knew it". Having been practicing the art of Google Searching for years, I can well attest to situations where search results can quickly lead you astray. Furthermore, if you bring up one of these incorrect "facts" at a meeting where you can point to the computer and say "See! I just referenced it on the INTERNET!"...well, that's my next problem.

There are 4 sorts of people on the computer literacy spectrum: There is Granpa Councilor here who not only doesn't use the computer well, but shuns it as the devil's machine itself. There are those that don't use it or don't use it frequently but trust others to use it well and to the advantage of everyone. There are those that use it moderately to frequently and may even seem somewhat savvy on it, but screw up using it (you know, they are the ones using Internet Explorer to access AOL for their email still and opening every attachment because "it had my name in the title of the emails!"). And there are the power users who know what they're doing (and speed of use may still be an issue) and can use the web to their complete advantage. The reason I point these out is the problems inherent in using the computer in meetings for person 2 (and usually tag-teamed with person 3). If, like my grandmother, you don't use a computer well or much at all, but you trust someone who does (like her annoying next door neighbor)...then when that person tells you they read on the internet that Obama is a secret Muslim, they're apt to believe it to be true. Imagine in a meeting that Person 2 was told by Person 3 or even a malevolent (or simply hurried) Person 4 something that bolsters their opinion on the matter...they'll stick to it and that falsehood will influence their decision making.

So. Where does that leave us? I think there are some people (I include myself in this group) who can use the internet to their gain while multitasking in a meeting and be able to help the entire group make better decisions faster. That's a great boon for a group when they can index the entire internet quickly at their fingertips through the right users who can also digest the giant gestalt of what they're seeing in real time. However, since that's not the greater majority of the population...and based on how poorly our governments operate inside their own little bubbles, I completely agree that texting and/or "computerin'" is best left outside the room. If the council feels it could probably be more informed on a matter or wants to research some more, let them work on it and come back after an hour or two...or even the next day. Better to get it right than decide in an artificial vacuum of knowledge...but also better to get it right than decide based on incorrect information dressed in sheep's clothing.

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Nicely put. I don't think it's too much to ask of City Councilors to be both bodily and mentally present for two hours a week or whatever- if they want to research stuff, do it before or after the meeting, I could see where a person could get annoyed by colleagues staring at their cell phones while he's talking- a little discourteous, and somewhat unprofessional as well.

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... especially when he gets it right. Excellent, Kaz. Too bad many of the folks cruising through here will probably not read what you had to say, it being too many words for their limited brainpans to handle.

That said, the councilor sounds like a jackass.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Ditto.

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Kaz, I read all those words, too. I think you have largely got it right.

My quibble would be with how coarsely you have broken up the right hand end of the spectrum. To the left you have three types of tremulous computer users, while you lump the all the cognoscenti together.

I think the more interesting division is between

(1) those who grew up with three channels of broadcast television, seven digit telephone numbers, and filmstrip projectors, but who have acclimated reasonably well to information appliances

and

(2) those who will have come to maturity never knowing a world without Wii, Kinect, Google, and ubiquitous handheld information appliances.

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I like to consider myself as one who falls into category (1) above, with strong emphasis on the "reasonably well". I enjoy computerin' (*hocks a big one into the spittoon*) and I consider myself generally more knowledgeable than the majority of my age-specific peers.

On the other hand, I have never owned a cell phone and I truly don't understand the attraction. Convenience, under certain circumstances? Sure, that I get. But I can honestly say that I've never regretted not having the ability to instantly place a call from wherever I may have been. Perhaps that would change if I encountered some level of emergency heretofore unexperienced. For now, the aggravation of carrying one outweighs any benefit I can imagine.

The ONLY computer I use is at my place of business. The only reason I became somewhat facile on a computer is because I use one to do my job (and about 95% of my job, at that, even though when I graduated from a school specializing in what I now do, there was absolutely no training with computers involved nor would anyone have imagined the necessity of such a few years down the road.)

I still write to-do lists, do my household budget, compile Christmas card and gift lists, and other such mundane stuff, in actual dead tree notebooks with an ink-filled pen.

I suspect there may not be another person in this forum who matches me in all of the technological shortcomings I've detailed here, although some may match in spots. And I also suspect that most of those in category (2) above can't quite wrap their heads around why anyone would NOT make use of what they consider everyday objects.

Yes, interesting, at least to me.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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There doesn't have to be any aggravation at all- just convenience.
I'm in line with you on a lot of usage but I love having a smartphone.
GPS, google, reading the news on the train . . . Makes travelling and running errands and just everyday life so much easier.

And zero aggravation. I never have the ringer on.
check my calls and emails and voicemails whenever I want and respond whenever I want.

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+1 on the information fail of saying "I read it on the internet, it must be true"

One corollary issue is taking notes on an electronic device.
I take a lot of notes at meetings using the "note" function of my phone or ipad. I find it helpful to condense and outline the conversation that way. This could be described as "multitasking" on an electronic device, but to me, occupies a different spectrum than texting.

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And this is why we have weird-ass statements like "the internet is a series of tubes" from indignant oldsters who prefer to remain so. He must have been a real hoot back at the turn of the century. Or when he pooh-poohed that newfangled invention called, I believe, a "camera," because God have him a fine pair of eyes so no photographics would tell him what to do. New things are scary!

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I have several friends who love this particular councilor. I guess he listens to some constituents. For me, he has been a cringeworthy source of shame since I moved to Medford over a decade ago.

As I recall, he used 9/11 memorial ceremony at the high school to rail against Islam. He has used his city council seat for diatribes against homosexuals. A few years ago, he referred to renters in Medford as "transients" in a debate about parking problems (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oVWBdA299Q). Even on the occasion I agree with him, such as last week when he insisted the city start enforcing parking regulations in Medford Square before spending money on a potential new parking garage, he drones on and on just to hear himself speak ad nauseum.

Meanwhile, Paul Camuso has pretty much been in elected office since he got out of high school about a decade ago. He has been a smart politician, bringing lunches to senior citizen groups and generally being likable. He's a genuinely nice guy -- he found Swirly's cell phone that had accidentally been dropped on a sidewalk, and went out of his way to make sure we got it back promptly. He has gotten the most votes in the city council race multiple times. I don't think his use of modern technology will do him much political harm, even here in Medford.

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I heard about this on the Google.

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To me the debate comes down to manners. Any device that can access information can be helpful. If a legislator makes a false claim then to be able to refute the claim with authoritative facts (another debate itself) is useful. But there are occasions when its use is disruptive. In a museum a smart phone is a good tool for looking up the artist to learn more about the artist or work on the spot. But using the smartphone in the gallery to talk with someone is rude and inappropriate. Conversing with someone via texting during a legislative session is equally rude and inappropriate. More important it ignores the fundamental responsibility of paying attention to the discussion. No matter how sophisticated the tools legislating today has not change from over 200 years ago. It is still about listening, choosing and casting votes. Communicating with someone on their smartphone - even a constituent, needs to wait until the session is done for the day or evening.

Same goes for other forms of electronic technology. I remember a foreign visitor video taping an average Sunday religious ceremony (i.e., it was not a wedding). His perspective was that of a tourist. Unfortunately acting as a voyeur with his camera broke into the sense of sacred space and time that the religious ceremony was to create and invoke. While video taping did not literally interfere it did demean the moment by diminishing the sacred value of the moment to a secular value of tourist attraction.

Although the practice of using reliquaries to draw pilgrims as a way of inserting money into the local economy is a ancient and well used tradition. That could even be a new source of local revenue: collect relics from religions that acknowledge them and become a theme park for sacred objects? Or would that be an inappropriate use of sacred objects?

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