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Mike Ross: If City Hall won't build a school for Back Bay/Beacon Hill, use empty space in City Hall

City Councilor Mike Ross, who represents the two neighborhoods, says parents there have the lowest odds of winning the school assignment lottery of any in the city and that he's getting tired of being repeatedly put off by school and BRA officials - eight years after they rejected a proposal by parents to buy a private building and just give it to the city for a school.

The effort to site a school that serves downtown families should be prioritized. Parents have not soon forgot when in 2003 the city walked away from an opportunity to purchase a school on Brimmer Street from Emerson College. The total cost of purchase and renovation would have been approximately 14 million dollars, a fraction of what a school would cost today. Today the Brimmer Street location is home to a private school. Eight years later the school department and the Boston Redevelopment Authority (BRA) say that they are "working on a solution." Their meetings need to be transparent and open to the public. Their solutions need to be more imaginative. ... If the Boston team cannot find a location for a downtown school they need to get more creative. Somewhere within the monolith of City Hall there must be space for a school. Perhaps the pitter-patter of tiny shoes will get the BRA motivated to try harder. Even the Parkman House on Beacon Street could be put to use.

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Even the Parkman House on Beacon Street could be put to use.

Bwahahaha! You're killin' me!

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Gosh darn involved parents!

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Rich people demand a school that their children can walk to. Damn it Mike, make it happen! Forget about the absolute disgrace of the whole busing issue since 1974. Bostonians have wanted nothing more than to send their kids to good neighborhood schools since then, regardless of their color. Only poor people's kids should ever be inconvenienced (assaults, intimidation, racism) by hairbrained goody goods. It cost millions and resulted in worse schools.

Oh yeah, by the way, the first people to bail on that twisted system were the rich. It must have been nice to move to Lexington when their kids were endangered. Maybe that's why the city didn't need the Phillips school or a plan for public school kids from Beacon Hill. Even the sound of that last statement should make everyone laugh--public school kids from Beacon Hill, ha ha.

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No, the rich people sent their kids to private schools.

The middle class people are on the bubble. As of this year, I am counting four major fights since I moved here just to get what I paid for.

The thing you hear from people who are beaten down is:

"It's a done deal"
"You can't fight them"
"That's the way the city works, what are you gonna do"

That's the attitude that allows the schools to just crumble, and basically allowed people like Whitey to hang around.

Good for Mike Ross to take the issue on behalf of the parents in his district. When these things work, it gives confidence to others, including downtrodden people, to come out and demand on their own behalf that the city work as advertised.

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Only 42% of the Back Bay families got their choice for a school -- that's only three of the seven families in the Back Bay with school-aged children.

Schools need to be located near where lots of children are growing up. There's just not many in Back Bay, Beacon Hill, and Downtown. Councilor Ross has to show first how there are sufficient numbers to populate fully a new school in that neighborhood.

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Correct me if I am wrong but are there not at least 3 elementary schools in the South End - Josiah Quincy, Blackstone and McKinnley. That puts them right on the doorstep of the Back Bay.
And of course there is Copley High (Snowden) right on Newbury street, Josiah Quincy has an upper school, and at least a couple of charter high schools.

I understand that under the current system their kids may not go to those schools per se, but that is too bad. It's the only way to ensure kids from poorer neighborhoods don't all get the shaft. And a schools presence in the Back Bay/South End doesn't make it all that either. Blackstone has, or had anyhow, a horrible reputation.

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You can see a VERY LOOOOOONG discussion between sock puppet and myself at this location:

http://www.universalhub.com/2010/complete-list-bos...

The short version - if you measure strictly as the crow flies - yes there are three elementary schools a little more than a mile from these neighborhoods, but on a vast number of other measures there is no elementary school that serves the population from Fenway to Beacon Hill (it's my understanding that the McKinley is for behavioral problems which really limits it to the Quincy or Blackstone). Listening to the city councilor's debate last week, if they are to be taken seriously, the busing program is not long for this world (although I'm guessing we will probably get a hybrid solution - for example - each neighborhood gets a dedicated neighborhood school with some version of lottery for those that don't like the local choice). In addition, students will also have METCO and charters - although that will also probably still be lottery.

The bigger question perhaps which I have heard everywhere from City Hall to Beacon Hill is that the city may be talking out of both sides of their mouth - on the one hand saying how they want such wonderful schools but afraid that if they have them they won't be able to pay for them. As I said in an earlier post today - it's interesting to see that the city only seems to be developing some form of affordable/subsidized housing and luxury housing (plus dorms to keep the schools happy). There is little if anything in the works to serve the middle class which has a troublesome (and expensive) habit of bringing in children and insisting on better quality schools. A bit Oliver Stone-ish, but there is ample evidence that this may actually be a strategic decision. Granted, there is ample evidence the Masons or the Skull and Bones Society control the world and I'm not ready to buy those either.

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Is Mike Ross asking for a neighborhood school? I thought that wasnt PC or legal here?

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Times must be tough if Ross is calling out the hand that feeds him. His next move will be to convene a special city counil committee to talk about this for the next few years then release a report with a bunch of recommendations.

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It's an election year - but keep in mind that Ross (and most of the rest of the council) have given out multiple 7 and 8 digit tax breaks to Vertex/Joe Fallon, Liberty Mutual and JP Morgan/Bob Beale over the past few years on the pretext that without a few million dollars in tax breaks (and a host of zoning concessions) these projects wouldn't have been built by multi-billion dollar enterprises that are apparently making enormous strategic decisions over a fraction of 1% of their revenue. In the case of JP Morgan and Vertex, a 6-7% break on the rent would have been the same as the tax break - but when you are friends with the powers that be - why should you pay for that when you can pawn it off on the taxpayers that now have to go without schools and other essentials. The big boys know how the game is played and they know their friends have to say stuff like this to keep in favor with the (uninformed) voters.

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Is there readily available data for how many families with school aged children in the West Zone opt out of the system after failing to get a placement at a preferred, or even local school? I would assume that the city could easily fill another elementary school in the southern end of the West Zone, but choses not to as the people a new school would serve are already paying to send their kids elsewhere on their own dime.

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In the LOOOOOONG discussion between Stevil and myself, I believe that I proved my point on the facts: parents of school age children who live in Back Bay and Beacon hill are no more geographically inconvenienced than parents in other parts of the city.

That said, I'll tell you why I support a new public elementary school in Back Bay or Beacon Hill.

Busing was instituted in order to desegregate Boston public schools. In that regard, it has been a dismal failure. Boston area schools today are more segregated than they were in the sixties. A majority of white, middle-class people refuse to send their children to Boston Public Schools, opting instead either to move to suburbs or send their children to private or parochial schools. It is mostly people who don't have the means or the motivation to do this who send their kids to the free public schools. The result is that many public schools are today almost entirely racially segregated, with 99% Black and Hispanic kids, whereas some suburban or private schools are almost entirely segregated the other way. When I talked to an admissions director at one of the area's finest private schools, she said they like to admit minority students in pairs "so they won't get lonely."

Segregating the public schools away from the public at large (as Boston is almost 50% white, and only 15% of families are in poverty), reducing the diversity in the public schools until they are just for a certain sector of society, is a recipe for not just the educational impoverishment of the children attending, but for reduction in political support for the schools in general. It is a vicious cycle.

I believe in the idea of public schools. And I believe that the single greatest threat to public schools is that people in power come to think of them as schools for other people's children, not their own children.

I know public school teachers in Boston who want to move to the suburbs so they don't have to send their own kids to middle school in Boston. Puerto Rican public school teachers. That's how bad it is - not how bad the schools are (most have excellent facilities and skilled teachers) - but how bad it is racially and socially. Very few middle class people, of any race, want to send their kids to a school that is entirely segregated. If school teachers won't send their kids to the public schools, if politicians won't, if business leaders won't, then their support for schools takes on the aspect of pity and obligation rather than engagement.

Boston should be doing everything it can to get white and middle-class kids back into the schools. This would be today's desegregation policy. Instead, school officials seem to be playing a cynical budget game, where they are happy with scaring people with means out of the schools because it means they have to spend their budget on fewer kids. But this is not a game you can play forever. At the same time that political support for the schools drops, the cost per child increases, with higher proportions of ESL, special needs, and kids in all sorts of trouble. Once you've scared off all the kids who are cheap to educate (check out how little it costs per student at Latin), your per-student cost goes up and up and up.

Boston should put a new elementary school in Back Bay or Beacon Hill not because there is greater need for it there. The density of children is low, and schools are as near to that population as they are to kids in West Roxbury or Mattapan. It's not because the kids need it. The Back Bay and Beacon Hill are full of rich, privileged adults and children, who have the means to go to private school. And that's why Boston should put a new elementary school there: so that these kids don't go to private school instead. Boston should want the kids who will grow up to be the movers and shakers in this town to feel a connection to, not alienation from, the public school system. Boston public schools should attempt to retain not just the poor and powerless who have nowhere else to go, but the middle-class and wealthy who have other options. Desegregating Boston Public Schools to better represent the city at large would improve the funding of the schools, it would improve the education at the schools, and it would improve the reputation of the schools. Boston schools should be schools of choice, and for people who have choices.

Building a new elementary school in Beacon Hill or the Back Bay would be a good step towards restoring the BPS system to its historic place as an educator of all children. For people in other, less privileged parts of Boston, it would send a message that our public schools are, and should be, good enough for everybody.

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Totally agree with everything you say!

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But for the record geographic inconvenience was the specific point we debated-your choice (my original point was much larger in scope and encompasses several of the arguments you make above). It does remain virtually impossible to be within city borders and find yourself more than 3/4 of a mile from an elementary school. A quick glance at a school map shows that the principle exceptions would be on-duty TSA agents, conventioneers, zoo animals, dead people and riverside residents from Fenway to the West End - (two neighborhoods which historically and even currently are generally far from "privileged" sandwiched around two neighborhoods whose residents would now perhaps generally consider themselves "fortunate", but far from privileged).

However, I do understand why one may often confuse some of these groups with each other and thus may not have a specific neighborhood need for a quality education. :-)

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"It's the only way to ensure kids from poorer neighborhoods don't all get the shaft."

The system of lottery school assignment has been in place for 30 years! Enough time has passed that the children who were entering school at the start of the 'choice/busing' regime have reached middle-adulthood and could have children of their own in high school. If this is what the system was built to do and it hasn't accomplished it yet, I think we can safely say that it has been a practical failure.

Clearly the original busing scheme was intended as a short-term stopgap, until the actual goal of city-wide quality public education could be realized, or at least well-underway.

And just as clearly, what it has actually become is a way to kick the can down the road - for the third generation. To occupy ourselves with old grudges and inadequate bandaids. It is a distraction.

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if only for the fact that the next time one of Menino's Young Turks gets caught dealing drugs out of the sixth floor, he might actually have to do some time. I think there's a mandatory minimum for dealing in a school zone.
Okay, I promise not to mention that again until 2013.

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I used to live in Beacon Hill. My family had been there for five generations. We had to leave because nobody in the family could afford $20,000.00 a year in property taxes and keep charging the renters a fair rent of $1000.00 a month. It is ridiculous that the biggest tax payers in the city do not have any public schools that are within walking distance for the school aged kids especially considering what they have to pay in property tax. Apparently families that pay the highest property taxes do not get what they deserve for the money!! It is a sad state of affairs that people from other parts of the state and the country have priced working class families out of the city that they loved and can no longer afford to live there!!

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I can still see the logic, eeka. When you give taxes, part of the understanding is to help pay for services. One tend to feel jipped if one pays $20,000 in property taxes, enough to pay for private school education and instead see nothing from it directly. Granted, it is aimed at a people who can view $20,000 as something much less substantial, but $20,000 is still $20,000.

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What you get in return for paying taxes that fund education are the benefits of living in a society with an educated populace: your neighbors are helped toward being educated and productive members of society. It works better if the people who care for you if you're sick, who design the bridges you drive over, and who vote in the elections to choose your government are well educated. It works better if the people who might buy your goods or services are educated and have decent jobs and can afford to pay a good price for what you sell.

Whether or not your own kids are going to school is almost immaterial when calculating the benefits you receive from publicly funded education.

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Although I agree that property taxes, or any taxes for that matter, are not a system of getting back exactly what you put in, the idea that a parent should get solace from the idea that other people's children are being educated (or attending public school) while your children are not is absurd. The fact that your own kids aren't going to the public schools because your neighborhood is not adequately served by them (whether because of lack of a school or a terrible school) is hardly "immaterial" when calculating the benefits you receive from publicly funded eduction. Moreover, when other surrounding communities do have schools that you can send your kids to with part of your tax dollars, it provides an incentive for you to move there where you can both enjoy the social benefits of public education and see your own child educated in a public school. Your comment presupposes that the original poster's angst is against all public schools rather than the failure of Boston's public schools to serve them notwithstanding the enormous property taxes they pay.

PS: Sock Puppet - your post is right on the money.

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is very different from "slightly inconvenient access to schools which may not quite be private-caliber".

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