Court: Father can't use domestic-abuse law to keep teen daughter from seeing adult paramour

The Supreme Judicial Court today vacated an order that had prevented a British man from seeing the then 16-year-old Massachusetts girl with whom he had had a dalliance while she and her family were on a European vacation.

After the family returned to the US, the two continued exchanging romantic messages via e-mail and Skype - even after the girl admitted she was only 16 and not 18 - and Gregory James Compton, then 24, eventually booked a flight to Boston in October, 2011, to spend more time with his stateside sweetie.

But when the Essex County girl's father found out about that, he went to court and obtained a "prevention order" under the state's law on domestic abuse that barred the swain from going anywhere near the girl - an order served on him not long after he landed at Logan.

The judge who issued the order shouldn't have, the state's highest court ruled today.

In Massachusetts, once the girl turned 16, she was free to voluntarily engage in sexual activity, the court said. And the father failed to provide any proof that Compton had either abused her in any way or coerced her into having sex.

The defendant's passing references in his electronic communications with the daughter implying that he might furnish her with alcohol, while understandably reprehensible to the father, is not evidence suggesting physical abuse or evidence that the defendant planned to give alcohol to her in order to have involuntary sexual relations with her, certainly a form of physical abuse. We conclude that this conduct does not meet the definition of "abuse" under G.L. c. 209A, ยง 1 (b ), and thus fails to serve as a basis for issuing the extension order. Because the judge had no basis to issue the extension order, it must be vacated

To buttress its conclusion, the court included in its ruling some of Compton's communications with the teen:

In these communications, the defendant refers to the daughter as "babe," "honey bee," and "my love," and ends communication by writing, "lov u: heart" and "xxx." In addition to telling the plaintiff that she is "amazing," the defendant talks about visiting her, their first lunch date, "a v gd hotel" where she could visit him, and engaging in conversation "with a glass of somthing gd in our hands." The defendant's communications include many sexual innuendos. He also graphically and expressly made known to her his intentions to engage in sexual relations with her. In their electronic exchanges, they discussed the "age of consent" to engage in sexual intercourse (see note 3, supra), as well as the age difference and physical "distance" between them. Despite these "challenges," the defendant stated, "i wouldnt even entertain this normally but with you it [ ] just makes sense."

Even though it was moot in this case, the court also considered the issue of whether the two were engaged in the sort of "substantive dating relationship" that the law requires to show domestic abuse, since the bulk of their relationship was carried out electronically, rather than in person, which was the custom when the law was enacted.

The court concluded that, yes, in this electronic age, a case could be made for abuse in an online relationship:

It also reflects the changing nature of relationships and, specifically, the fact that an increasing number of relationships, including ones involving teenagers, are being conducted electronically. See id. ("Dating is inherently personal and idiosyncratic, and relationships exist in endless variety"). See also King-Ries, Teens, Technology, and Cyberstalking: The Domestic Violence Wave of the Future?, 20 Tex. J. Women & Law 131, 152 (2011) (study results showed teenagers "are incorporating technology into their intimate relationships"). Chapter 209A must be interpreted to protect all who are in a substantive dating relationship from abuse, regardless of whether the relationship was developed or conducted by the use of technology.

Comments

See, this is why you don't take teenage girls on European

vacations.

But seriously, I thought even at the age of consent [16] there could be no more than a 2 year age difference? I thought 18 was when a 30 year old guy can hook up with a teenage GF? It's legal for an above 18 adult male to have a 16 year old GF?

There is apparently no such law like that in the Commonwealth

The law in Massachusetts appears to be that the age of consent is 16, end of story. I do not think there is a statute or regulation making any distinctions once age 16 is attained, in terms of the age of the other party.

Reread the opinion

The reasoning was that the father wasn't allowed to claim ownership of his daughter's body and sexuality get a restraining order because the whole thing smacked of "precrime".

Had the two of them had sex, then there would be a reason for legal action due to the age differences ... but not because the daughter was unable to consent to sex apriori.

I find this kind of refreshing, personally. There are reasons to protect minors from exploitation, but the intrusion into private lives in some places has gone too far. At least MA doesn't consider one partner a rapist if they happen to turn 18 a day earler than their partner.

(Side note: am I the only one here with grandparents that married when they were of similar or lesser ages?)

as far as I can tell, it's

as far as I can tell, it's just 16 in MA. one of the simpler age of consent laws in the country.

Age laws.

Anyone 16 or over can consent to sex (natural or "unatural") with another person 16 or older.

Anyone 14 or over can consent to "touching" another person over the age of 14, not including natural or unatural intercourse.

Natural sex: regular sex
Unatural sex: oral sex, etc

But

whyyyyyyyy do we still have laws on the books that make any sort of distinction between what parts were used for sex?

Because laws generally remain

Because laws generally remain in effect until something happens to invalidate them. If the law is never enforced, or challenged in the courts, it remains in effect until a new law is passed to negate it. And no legislator wants to be known as the guy who fought to make TEH BUTTSECKS legal.

Plenty of legislators, had the "balls" to delete stupid laws

Many states have updated their sex laws. Remaining sodomy and perverted practices laws were invalidated by Lawrence versus Texas.

The language of natural versus unnatural belongs in the trash pile as racist language, or calling cops pigs. It is language that arises from bigotry and hatred and simply supports the same.

But free speech is important and just as any person can call a cop a pig anyone else can insert their sex bigotry by talking about natural and unnatural sex.

states that updated their sex laws

A lot of states did a general overhaul of their penal codes in the 1960s-70s. A general overhaul turned out to be a convenient cover for getting rid of antiquated laws that criminalized sexual behavior between consenting adults.

The "parts" aren't really in there eeka

WARNING, graphic content below:

"natural intercourse" would be penis in vagina. "unatural intercourse" would be any object into any orafice.

Then the court has to rule on all the other situations that might not fall into either.

Comm vs. Nylander 1989. Anal rape actually requires some peretration of the anus, not just the cheeks

Comm vs. Hackett 1981. Court rules that forced oral sex from female to female is unnatural sex

This guy went to court?

Why? If some foreign guy came to this country and tried to bang my teenage daughter, I'd beat the (expletive) out of him. What's he gonna do about it?

Hey everyone, look! A tough

Hey everyone, look! A tough guy!

Well, in this context

No frickin' kidding. I'm not Johnny Internet Chest Thump, but this guy WANTS TO HUMP A 16 YEAR OLD AND HE IS 24. Legally, he can do it. Doesn't mean it's in his best interest.

I can also legally tell a cop to go (expletive) himself. How do you think that would work out for me?

Dude...come on..

When you were 24, are you seriously going to tell me you didn't know 16 year olds you wanted to get with?

I was 24 in 2008

By then, I was well-established in Boston after moving here. I did not then, and do not now, have any contact with 16 year olds, let alone in anything that remotely resembles a context in which I could and would date them.

Yes, I actually can say that,

Yes, I actually can say that, and I was acquainted with some due to my job.

and....

what would the general reaction be if a 16 year old boy met a 24 year old woman in England and she came to Mass. to sleep with him??

I would pat the kid on the back

That's how the world works. That's one gender rule that's just not changing.

I mean, I would at least have a talk with the boy about how awkward sex can be if this was his first time.

So, Will

You don't find the whole "Daddy OWNS his daughter's body" and "Daddy decides who a girl has sex with" thing the least bit creepy?

Do tell!

No, he doesn't own her body

And she doesn't own the house she lives in or pay rent for it. See how that works?

Neither would your fictitious son

But somehow he's a human and gets personal agency over his sexuality. Meanwhile, your fictitious daughter is your property.

And I think this "Will the daddy owns all household vaginas" attitude that you have IS pretty fucking creepy.

Given my shotguns, churches, and trailercourts upbringing, it is also a near-certain recipe for a teen girl running away and getting into much worse trouble.

So glad you aren't yet a parent. You have a lot of growing up to do yourself.

Well, we agree on that, Swirly

I'm glad I'm not a parent either.

This was on my fridge in my home when I was a teenager:

http://www.mancaveathome.com/media/catalog/product/cache/5/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/4/1421_attention_young_adults.png

I will do what I can to discourage a 16 year old daughter of mine from seeing a 24 year old man. But my parents realized that I was an independent person of sorts at 16, and I'd be inclined to give the girl the same latitude. But, (expletive), it wouldn't be easy for me.

Ah ... that sign

Know it well! Fortunately, I've never had to post it myself.

But I was independent, too, and my parents were then kind of upset when I left at 17 and managed my own affairs from then on out, never moving back even for the summer. Called that bluff.

I will say that putting off the kids ain't a bad idea if you like your independence. Once they arrive, you're owned and there's nobody you can blame for that except yourself. Gotta be ready for that.

You're a good example...

...of a well-adjusted teen girl, apparently.

And, frankly, how did Dad find out about this Brit in the first place? Good Lord, daughter, if you're going to toss it around with an older guy when you're 16, don't let Dad find out. What he doesn't know doesn't hurt him. He's not reading your diary, and frankly, he would really dislike what he saw if he did. Be a good kid and be a smart kid, and you won't arouse suspicion.

You're just a fount of

You're just a fount of freakin' wisdom, ain't you?

Every post, huh?

Sweat me much?

Well,

At least he admits to being a male chauvinistic pig....

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