WBUR reports on plans to finally hide that ugly blank front wall of the Garden with two mixed-use buildings featuring retail space, offices and, of course, 500 luxury apartments and a 200-room hotel.
Is the Stop & Shop that was allegedly going in on the ground floor or the floor immediately below ground.
Then again, it's also been said that Stop & Shop was going in at Greenway Center/One Canal, and the most recent news on that project leaves out S&S as well.
Globe report said they were in discussions with S&S, but nothing signed yet - so why give S&S free advertising for a space they may walk away from. Then again I have no faith in S&S - weren't they supposed to go into the apartment building being built now on causeway? (never mind the fact that S&S is probably circling the drain anyway, so not sure they should be the grocer of choice to begin with)
I really wish companies would make smaller, but still nice apartments with the amenities like a gym. There's such a disparity between the luxury apartments being built and the other micro apts. Not much of a middle ground.
Oh, how I would love a $1-1.3k single that isn't total piece of garbage or an hour to get into the city.
Shoulda done something 10 years ago - now he has to go toe to toe with the 2-3 thousand units either under construction or breaking ground this year. Could be another 10-20 years before they really do build this.
building these things. These projects usually barely pencil out thanks to the cost of building with union labor. If you want more impressive architecture, ask our politicians why they insist on making building so unnecessarily expensive.
if it costs $x to build a shitty building, $x+y to build a building with nice architecture, and $x+y+z to build a building with nice architecture and well-paid labor, then, yeah, I can see why developers would go for only paying $x+z if they have to pay their workers well.
However, given the opportunity to reduce the costs of labor, why would any corporation choose to put that money into nicer architecture? I would assume they'd just pay $x and put the savings into their pockets.
However, they cant lose money on them. If the cost of labor were reduced, trust me...We would see better architecture. Many projects in Boston start out as grand plans and are slowly chipped away at until they work. Materials are cheapened, ornementation removed, etc.
That being said the interaction of many of the projects coming out these days at the street level is so vastly improved over previous decades that I can live with the crappy materials.
I'm not sure I agree, though- a lot of the grand buildings of the past were built generally for symbolic reasons... that grand arch of North Union Station was built by a company on the rise that wanted to show its dominance in the city.
This is an in-fill development on a vacant lot that the developer seemed totally fine to let sit vacant for years- the Garden next to it is the big show. It was never going to be a monument.
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Is the Stop & Shop that was allegedly going in on the ground floor or the floor immediately below ground.
Then again, it's also been said that Stop & Shop was going in at Greenway Center/One Canal, and the most recent news on that project leaves out S&S as well.
*shrug*
why design what isn't there
Globe report said they were in discussions with S&S, but nothing signed yet - so why give S&S free advertising for a space they may walk away from. Then again I have no faith in S&S - weren't they supposed to go into the apartment building being built now on causeway? (never mind the fact that S&S is probably circling the drain anyway, so not sure they should be the grocer of choice to begin with)
wow!
Luxury apartments??? Being built in Boston???
Probably going to cost...
A good $1.8-2k for a single.
I really wish companies would make smaller, but still nice apartments with the amenities like a gym. There's such a disparity between the luxury apartments being built and the other micro apts. Not much of a middle ground.
Oh, how I would love a $1-1.3k single that isn't total piece of garbage or an hour to get into the city.
Didn't take too long
Thanks Mr. Jacobs!
Missed the boat
Shoulda done something 10 years ago - now he has to go toe to toe with the 2-3 thousand units either under construction or breaking ground this year. Could be another 10-20 years before they really do build this.
I don't think that will be a problem
If 5k units broke ground this year, there would still be a housing shortage.
Why ugly faux precast brick
Why ugly faux precast brick panels instead of something Art Deco like the old Garden?
Why not?
Hey, make it look like the original North Station, which was torn down to put the eyesore of a Garden there...
http://bit.ly/13t8vSS
interesting
this kind of reminds me of the current Rowes Wharf
http://www.shorpy.com/node/69
http://www.shorpy.com/node/6981?size=_original#cap...
Why?
Because value engineering, cutting corners, money, etc.
Johnmcboston is spot on though; if anything should come back, it is Union Station's glorious facade[s]!
you make this sound as if these are just greedy cheap bastards
building these things. These projects usually barely pencil out thanks to the cost of building with union labor. If you want more impressive architecture, ask our politicians why they insist on making building so unnecessarily expensive.
uh
if it costs $x to build a shitty building, $x+y to build a building with nice architecture, and $x+y+z to build a building with nice architecture and well-paid labor, then, yeah, I can see why developers would go for only paying $x+z if they have to pay their workers well.
However, given the opportunity to reduce the costs of labor, why would any corporation choose to put that money into nicer architecture? I would assume they'd just pay $x and put the savings into their pockets.
most developers take immense pride in their projects
However, they cant lose money on them. If the cost of labor were reduced, trust me...We would see better architecture. Many projects in Boston start out as grand plans and are slowly chipped away at until they work. Materials are cheapened, ornementation removed, etc.
That being said the interaction of many of the projects coming out these days at the street level is so vastly improved over previous decades that I can live with the crappy materials.
I just don't know...
I'm not sure I agree, though- a lot of the grand buildings of the past were built generally for symbolic reasons... that grand arch of North Union Station was built by a company on the rise that wanted to show its dominance in the city.
This is an in-fill development on a vacant lot that the developer seemed totally fine to let sit vacant for years- the Garden next to it is the big show. It was never going to be a monument.
I agree with you 100%
I never meant to imply anything to the contrary.
the wording
cutting corners, etc. just threw me off.
Its just not financially feasible to replicate the grand architecture of the past. Thats not due to VE or cutting corners, its just reality.