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Boston Latin backers halfway through $50-million fundraising drive

The Boston Latin School Association reports it's raised more than half of a $50 million goal to beef up STEM and international learning, athletics and after-school fellowships and internships at the nation's oldest public school.

The "Prima Perpetua" ("Forever First") campaign is supposed to run through 2017; the association has already gotten $27 million worth of pledge commitments, co-chairs Michael Leven, class of 1955, and Charles Clough Jr., class of 1960, announced at a fundraising dinner at the Seaport Boston Hotel on Saturday.

Among the drive's first initiatives to launch is the Clough Center for Global Understanding, which is sending students to China for a science competition, Eastern Europe to get a firsthand look at Holocaust history and the Virgin Islands to study the effects of climate change on coral reefs.

The fund drive is also paying for a full-time athletics director, additional athletic programs for younger students and school-wide wellness programs. The school hopes to use money from the fundraising effort to build new science labs and visual- and performing-arts facilities.

In a statement, Clough said:

By developing the next generation of scholars and leaders, we are investing in the future of our city and our nation. Every day, Boston Latin School students are cultivating the knowledge, skills and passion to achieve excellence in college and throughout their lives.

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And buy new latin textbooks too..............

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I liked using the same book my brother had a dozen years before me......

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I'm more concerned about the other textbooks they use.

I won't get into the usual issues about widening disparities within BPS (we just talked about that) or even play count-the-black-kids in the fundraising effort's brochure.

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Seriously, A-man, you counted the kids in the brochure?

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I said I wasn't going to play that game! But even without making ticks on a piece of paper, it's still pretty striking in a city that is now majority minority - and a school system that is, what, 12% white?

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It does have an entrance exam.....

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what's to do about that? I agree completely but it seems to me that the problem starts much earlier, pre-4th grade AWC tracking. A lot of the bright, ambitious black and Latino kids also seem to get scooped up by private schools between 5th-7th grade. I don't think there's a simple solution.

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I have heard of all sorts of machinations surrounding people trying to get their children into THE LATIN SCHOOL . But you cant re-engineer it to solve the problems of the world. You take a test , you get a good result , you get in..

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Why not just say that the school will only admit students from Boston public schools? No one's yet explained why that solution wouldn't work.

(except, of course, for jerkwad lawyers from W-suburbs, for whom the answer is, "Because then my special snowflake (the beneficiary of the best private primary schools money can buy) couldn't go to Boston Latin.")

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You mean catholic school kids to grade 6 cant take the test and gain admission, even though their parents are taxpayers , and off course residents . of Boston? That wont fly for one US minute !

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Thank you Kvn!!
Boston residency is all you need. Should not have to attend public school.

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fine with those rules, as long as the city stopped forcing me to pay for little billys education.

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As long as I don't have to pay for your fire or police protection or to repave the road in front of your house.

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paying for "his" education, not my taxes.

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You don't want to pay for Billy's education, and I don't want to pay for firefighters to come to your house. Even-steven.

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an unbelievable stupid idea. So my kid cant take the exam because he went to private school?But i should still pay my property taxes, so you have a school to send yours.

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to bus private school kids all over the place. It works both ways.

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Jerkwad lawyers from W-suburbs can't get their kids into Boston Latin no matter how hard they try - unless they establish Boston residency (in which case they become jerkwad lawyers from Beacon Hill or JP or wherever).

BLS is open to any Boston resident who gets certain grades and passes the ISEE test, whether they go to a public or a private school.

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My 3 kids went to BLS as I know your kidlet does, Adam. It's not a matter of passing the test as much as scoring better than most of the others in your applicant pool, which changes year to year. That plus your grades from 5th and 6th grades are fed into a formula that determines your eligibility for available seats. And, grades can be pretty subjective, depending on your teachers or school. My kids had some BPS teachers who hated BLS and the creaming of top students that resulted from their middle schools so, they graded excessively hard. There was often the impression that peers from private schools were given more of a boost, grade wise. I'm glad my kids are passed that stage now. It was incredibly stressful on the whole family.

And, yes, BLS not only does not get more money from BPS, it actually gets less per student. It is also the largest school in the system with the biggest classes. Sports, arts, after-school programs are all supported privately. What BLS has, that other schools don't, is an active and well-heeled and connected Alumni Association. More power to them.

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You know those 400 sq foot condos that are supposed to be the next big thing in the innovation district? They seem like something a jerkwad lawyer would buy in order to claim Boston residency and let his kid take the exam, don't they?

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Isn't there a significant chunk of kids at BLS who didn't previously attend a BPS school? Not a majority, but a good chunk? That would also further skew the BLS population away from the typical BPS. They are still city kids though so have just as much of a right to a seat at Latin as anyone else.

I think a better view would be how does the racial make-up of BLS reflect the city, not the school district. Do you have that data?

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I found the BPS/Boston data here - http://www.bostonpublicschools.org/cms/lib07/MA01906464/Centricity/domai...

BPS population:
41% Hispanic
36% black
13% white
8% Asian

IMPORTANT NOTE- I totally mis-read this data initially- this is the breakdown of kids who don't go to BPS, not the breakdown of kids in Boston of school age:

45% black
32% white
17% HIspanic
4% Asian

BLS:
47.5% white
29% asian
10% black
9.7% Hispanic

Not really on topic, but I was very surprised that Latino kids are only 17% of the school aged population but 41% of the BPS body.

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based on our experience.

I just don't know. We were public school all the way but I can't quite see banning kids coming from private schools (and yes--they're all still boston residents and a lot of regular middle class families, lots from parochial schools. Not a lot of families who can afford BB &N or Winsor are really Jonesing to get into BLS.) Giving some kind of weighted advantage to BPS kids would be great, especially given that a lot of the private school kids get all kinds of ISEE coaching.

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Don't AWC's do this as well?

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Very minor in-class stuff, nothing you'd call serious prep. But I don't know about other schools.

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I think Sally is right that it depends on the school. I've had two kids go through the ISEE process now. Neither received much in the way of test prep from their AWC classes, but my son (same schools) did test prep as part of the afterschool programming at the Irving Middle School. BLS also offers a free test prep program in the form of two intensive weeks during the Summer with some follow-up Saturday sessions in the Fall.

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They get $500 a year out of me. Enough is enough. The school is going off into plaid with the fund raising. They get good returns on what they have. The physical plant has gone in the past 10 years from a 1950's B Prison movie set to fun city. What's next?

It is shameful that Madison Park has to walk around like a zombie while Latin gorges on private money to be a defacto private school within the BPS. The school is very welcoming of the money and uses it well, but I threw these fundraising materials right into the recycling bin. I love that school and what it did for me, but c'mon, it still is a public school and you should work reasonably within the system with reasonable alumni benefits.

That being said, if I hit Powerball they are going to have one hell of a rooftop baseball diamond.

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fictional swimming pool?

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I think one of mine had Joe kennedy's name in the book plate , they had some well worn books way back, all flavors ! But I guess "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" doesnt change much....

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Not sure where they row, and I'm drawing a blank on where I saw them. Dedham?

Either way I'm still taking the position that something is unfair about this school in a supposed "public school" system. It is a great school, and I can't blame anyone who wants to send their kids there, but how is this acceptable in a public school system when other kids in the same city don't get the same resources?

Why not just call it what it is, and either not let this school get more resources that other schools, (whether that money is donated or not) or simply make it a charter school?

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Even as I recognize the disparities that come from a high school that can run a $50 million fund drive (what you could do with $50 million at Madison Park, well, assuming Madison Park were functional enough to be able to use the money?), I like living in a city that does have schools for kids who want to go beyond a standard high-school education.

BPS does not throw more money at BLS than it does at other schools (one thing that's striking about those never-ending lists of "the best high schools in America" is how much higher BLS's student/teacher ratio is compared to equivalent schools in rich suburbs).

Turning it into a charter would, in fact, defeat the whole purpose of an exam school, since charter students are picked strictly by lottery. The goal should be to improve the other schools in the city, not take down this one school that works for many of its students.

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Is that some schools systems do not allow this to happen. My brother lives in Brookline and has kids there. A group wanted to raise money for a new auditorium at one of the elementary schools. The school committee said they couldn't do that, since it would create a possible unequal distribution of funds for different people in different parts of town (Brookline has neighborhood schools, not modified neighborhood schools like Boston).

So this would not be allowed in Brookline, and I assume most towns who don't want different parts of the town/city getting better facilities/funding simply because people in those parts of town make more money.

Also, don't look at teacher/student ratios, look at class size. I assume Boston Latin doesn't have a large special ed department like newton north or brookline has.

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Latin is citywide. The investment in Latin is equally distributed throughout the city because kids in every neighborhood can take the same entrance exam.

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...not every city kid has equal access to a quality education from Pre-K through 6 grade.

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Which does away with zones, because BPS could never come up with a new zone plan that didn't include at least one zone of failure. Every kid is supposed to be given a choice of schools that includes the top ranked schools.

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The quality of BLS does not determine the quality of the feeder elementaries. If some of them are not well represented at Latin, those are schools that need more support, but that tells us nothing about what happens in the secondary level.

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Yes, with kids with IEPs and everything. So, enough with the comparison to Newton, which has just two high schools, which have to provide every single program, or Brookline, which has to make do with just one high school.

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I assume all kids still have to take a written exam to get in? And that class size should tell you more than teacher to student ratio.

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What BLS is doing would not be allowed in Newton. A local school, when I lived there, could raise money for better playground equipment but could not raise money to deliberately make its academics better than other city schools. When money is raised privately for public schools, as it is, it goes into a general fund to provide funds to where they are most needed in the whole system.
Indeed, the Newton school committee, when I lived there, provided more money to a lower performing school to improve academics That was a community decision and that made sense.
Boston is doing the opposite and allowing a high performing PUBLIC school to raise money to distance itself from other PUBLIC schools.

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Brookline only has 1 high school, and it has much better facilities than even BLS. BLS is an exam school in the public system. It is the first public school in the nation and has strict standards that upholds its traditions. It receives less money than other BPS schools. Would you want the BPS to dedicated more money to Latin? This would only deprive other schools. While the school is public, having the entrance exam that allows an equal chance for any child in the city entry is what it is. Would you rather not have any college prep schools for city kids?

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And there's the difference again.

BLS is not a LOCAL school. It's a CITYWIDE school.

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That may be the reason how they get around the funding issue, but the fact remains that wealthier families go to that school (I'm assuming) so they will get more funding for different things.

And Let's say for arguments same that Robert Kraft wanted to give 10 million dollars to. Madison Park High School, he wouldn't be allowed to, but would be allowed to give it to Latin?

I get that this school is great and is historic and does a great job at educating students, but they are able to get more private funding because they are a "citywide" school for those students that are smart enough to get in?

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From reality hitting it so many times.

Madison Park High School is citywide too.

I get it that you're trying to lawyer up some animus you have against rich or smart people, but that dog won't hunt.

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But do you see what they've done? Every school Is citywide, but you can't always choose which one to go to, or which one is closest to you, sometimes you need a lottery, sometimes you need to pass an exam, sometimes you need to be the right color to balance out a quota, and sometimes you actually just need to live in your neighborhood (east boston).

And none of these schools are "citywide" unless every student who wants to go there is allowed to, which certainly isn't the case at BLS (you could certainly make that argument anyway)

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Well , isn't Madison Park the school formerly known as Boston Trade ? They have alumni, get it up!

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Pete,

You bring up very valid questions. However, I am generally in favor of this. It is an open admissions policy to all students in Boston. Everyone has an equal chance of passing the test. If the alumni choose to fund these programs (and pay for them 'en perputea') this is less money the City of Boston needs to provide this school and more money that can be diverted to other more needy schools.

We as a society have the option of trying to make everything 'equal' or we can allow for some to strive for excellence. I would argue that since the option of applying to and testing into Latin is available to all regardless of race, gender, money, etc. that it is not an unfair system, as long as the other 'public' schools in the city all receive equal funding and society approved attention.

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Why shouldn't Boston Latin just get more funding? If you want to be the best, why not spend more public money on the school?

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Because this will take funding away from the other high schools which are in pretty dire straights? BLS is a public exam school, not a general public school. It, along with BLA, and OB provide a legit path to college/success for kids in the city that put in the effort.

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is fairly new--there's only been a boy's team for a few years and I think the girls' team started maybe ten-twelve years ago? It's a great program but trust me--it's a pretty scrappy one and got very modest support from the school. Tons of serious fundraising by parents and students, mostly of the bake sale variety, and wonderful, dedicated coaches.

I hear you on the discrepancies but go visit--it is not a fancy school by any means. Sports facilities nonexistent and aside from the very nice library, not a lot of big improvements or anything out of the ordinary. I honestly don't know what to think. My kid went there--I go between feeling very grateful and being plain astounded at the lack of basic resources and the amount of parent support required to sustain arts and sports programs that would seem basic at any suburban school. But then I'd say the same thing about English. We need to spend our money in a smarter way.

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It's a great school, but I think we are all closing our eyes to something bigger here. White students in a subpar building are doing better academically than black students in nicer buildings?

I mean, what if Boston just kept making exam schools? Eventually it would become really clear that resources need to be controlled.

Maybe if Boston Latin was able to expand and do greater things for other students in the city? Let them use the new facilities, or offer students at Charlestown high the chance to row at their school? They might already do that I don't know,

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use the Community Boating boathouse and last i knew they were fighting to hang onto that access (sadly "Community Rowing is a bit of a misnomer). It's just not like they have massive resources to go around.

I remember when I was there and English was across the street in what was then a pretty fancy new building--we were all like "why do they get ESCALATORS when we have to hike up all these stairs?" And now of course that's long gone. Buildings only matter so much but sports, music, arts, guidance counselors...all of those things that go into creating a strong school--ALL of our schools need those.

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Charlestown High did okay teaching the lads about electricity back ago.

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They had rowboats years ago.

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Most public schools systems would not permit this; money raised within a public school system should go to where the need is greatest not to a specific school. What a disgrace; people should be ashamed to be involved in this. This is just selfishness and not a good example for our kids of social justice... some schools don't have adequate supplies or playgrounds and Boston Latin is spending money on sculling... I hope they all sink.

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That may have separate funding, and other students in the city may be allowed to participate in that program. I think that's an MIAA rule anyway (if your school does not have a sport, you may even play that sport in another town)

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Someone did pass the entry exam!

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Which had an even harder exam, but thanks anyway.

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Have any sources/evidence for that claim?

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Boston Latin is not the only sculling team in the BPS. A lot of these activities are supported by Community Rowing.

Don't let reality hit your spiteful ass on the way out, though.

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That competes with other club rowing teams, and some of these kids row in college.

What other BPS high schools have rowing teams swirly? It's a great think to put on a college application.

You don't know though do you? Just felt like opening your mouth again?

Shocking.

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I knew who rowed at BLS started in GRow which was a rowing program for girls open to all--I think they actually started at the O' Bryant--so they were from all different schools. TheBLS team was really started by a group of parents and a couple of amazing coaches. So technically not anything that any other BPS school couldn't do but it takes that group of forceful, well-organized parents--not well-heeled necessarily but a power nonetheless.

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Boston Latin School has a girls' rowing team. They row next to Northeastern's boathouse at the end of Herter Park.

Students from other BPS high schools (BLA, O'Bryant, Eastie, Snowden, Brighton, ACC) compete on the Row Boston team, out of Community Rowing Inc. in Brighton. Boys from BLS also can row with Row Boston because BLS does not have its own separate boys' team.

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There are two "mix" squads of high school age (all-Boston schools) plus BLS that row in the same regattas that Medford does.

This means that any high school kid in the area has access.

If you have the support of rowing clubs and university boat houses, including hand-me-down boats, it isn't an expensive sport compared to, say, football. No field maintenance, get a community or college group to keep the boats, and share trailer/truck space with another squad.

The major difference with BLS is that they managed to organize a couple of full boats all their own.

Medford happens to have school department land by the river, so they built a fenced enclosure with racks and just pop them into the water. The boats winter over with Tufts. Tufts also runs the races in the Malden River and provides other support. Many of the high school rowing groups in the area operate like this.

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At least reality hitting your spiteful ass helps your foot dislodge from your mouth.

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On their college applications, Girls from Boston Latin get to say they were on their schools crew team, while girls from Boston English get to say they were a part if the community boat program, if they even found the time to be bussed for the 20th in their week to and from the boathouse.

It sounds like a great program, but it isn't equal to what the girls at Boston Latin has. These girls are fortunate that someone can find a speed are club. Sounds like from other posts below though that boston Latins football coach takes their money though, which I could see.

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Sorry, but I just don't think you get it. Yes, they have their own team but it's not a huge advantage or more convenient--trust me, all the kids who row have huge logistical and time hurdles getting themselves over to the river several times a week let alone to meets in Lowell or hanover. The Community Rowing team, CRI, was the prestigious one and is open to all, not just BLS. I'm not saying there aren't differences in the schools but this just isnt one of them.

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Boston Latin is a public college preparatory exam school that provides a classical education and curriculum. Of course it has an advantage of English High School. Go after English High to improve it self, not after Latin to degrade itself for no reason. You are comparing apples to oranges. Harvard takes what, 20-30 Latin school kids a year ? It ain't cause of the rowing team - its the history of excellence of its students.

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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that BPS gets less funding per student than most other 7-12 BPS schools. This makes sense because due to the exam entrance, they almost by definition have a population of kids without serious learning disabilities, behavioral challenge, etc... (Note -I am speaking broadly here - many kids with learning challenges are just as 'smart' as a BLS kid, etc...) If that's the case, I don't know if unfair is the right word. It's inequitable but again as far as public money goes, the other high school kids in the system are getting more money per seat, aren't they?

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Latin is/was essential Boston's first charter school.

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If by that you mean first public school ever, then yes.

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Our school system bans fundraising for facilities unless it is a district-wide campaign (not for activities, though)

Just some questions for thought:

1. what if the fundraising campaign was aimed at expanding the school and thus expanding enrollment?

2. what if the rules for exam entry favored kids who were in the BPS from 3rd grade on? In other words, say that 70-80% of the class would be filled from top scorers who were enrolled from at least 3rd grade, with the remainder from the remainder of the test takers? That wouldn't exclude private prep students, but it might be more fair.

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The city could fix the elementary schools until 70-80% of the parents who send their kids to Latin want to send their kids to the elementary schools too.

Nah, too hard. Let's just dumb down Latin.

Creating two classes of Latin students - the ones who tested in entirely, and the ones who were brought in on tests plus special points for suffering BPS for four years - would have predictably negative effects.

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How would Latin be dumbed down? Are there statistically meaningful differences between scoring in top 5% versus top 7%? Probably not.

Most standardized testing measures wallet fatness anyway because parents with financial resources do things like heavy duty test prep, resulting in students who test above their real ability compared to unprepped students - a stratified system would control for that.

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It's handy to assume that creating a 70-80% set-aside for BPS educated kids would require only a 2% test score bonus for those kids. While we're at it, what else should we assume? How about that it would require a 15% test score bonus? That number has the same anatomical origin as yours.

How about that the kids coming in from BPS would all be assumed to have benefited from this favor? How about that the greater the proportion of set-asides permitted a lower score, the higher the score cutoff for the kids in on pure scores would have to be?

I like the idea of the BPS kids going into BLS knowing they are starting school with the same abilities as the private school kids better than the idea of legislating a gap in abilities between the BPS kids and the private school kids. It's a manifestly better idea to improve the elementary schools until parents prefer them than it is to set up a two-class system at BLS.

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1) that is interesting, but would only make sense if you can show that BLS is actively turning down qualified kids due to lack of seats. Otherwise you're just diminishing the academic environment.

2) That very specifically seems to spell out something which isn't fair- blocking kids who want to attend a public school in their school district which they've qualified for based on their unwillingness to attend a different school previously, one which is allocated by lottery.

It's kind of twisted, isn't it, that we're discussing ways to keep high achieving kids out of a public school instead of pointing the finger at the BPS administration which can't do better with their huge budget in spite of the fact that they don't even have to provide schools for 26% of the school aged population?

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and the only reason this is being talked about is because it white kids who are the majority. If BLS was 99.99999% black this would never be disused, only praised.

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When I was at Boston Latin School in the very early 70s we were each required to donate $6 per year to something called the "loyalty fund". No one ever made quite clear at the time where this so-called "loyalty fund" went. If I am not mistaken, it was later found out that the old coot Wilfred O'Whatshisname that was the headmaster at the time was utilizing said fund to wine and dine at the Harvard Club.

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I was there when he departed and Mike the Cop took over.....Mr C was a good guy.

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http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2014/11/07/mayor-cuts-ribbon-on-new-curle...

With hundreds of kids, parents, elected officials—including Mayor Martin Walsh—and community members in attendance, the community-funded artificial turf field and track for the Curley K-8 School at 493 Centre St. celebrated its official ribbon-cutting ceremony on Oct. 28.

“Our kids in the city deserve the best. The Curley is a model for us,” Walsh said at the morning festivities, held on the newly-completed field.

“The parent council has raised the bar in a major way,” state Rep. Jeffrey Sánchez said at the event. “I’m so proud of your efforts here.”

The community fundraising campaign raised about $285,000 to replace an unsafe asphalt lot with the field and track that will be used during recess. About $263,000 came directly from Curley Playing Field Campaign Committee fundraising efforts, campaign parent co-chair Kieran Fitzgibbon told the Gazette.

The Mayor’s Office contributed about $30,000 and the balance of the $343,000 contract was picked up by Boston Public Schools (BPS), Fitzgibbon said.

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I am a BLS student (class of 2016) and I am here to tell you that you all are making a number of absurd statements.
First of all, it's fairly clear that none of you know ANYTHING about BLS Crew. For one thing, there is no boys' crew--they have to play for BLA. Secondly, BLS Crew is not funded by the school at all, because Mr McDonough, the football coach and athletic director, takes all of BLS Crew's money. This is because as Crew is girls only and football is boys only, Crew is supposed to get money, but Mr McDonough gets around this by putting one girl on the football roster every year (she doesn't even play or anything though.) (Also, you think crew is elitist? What about lax/sailing/fencing/golf?)
Secondly, maybe if BLS was actually getting more funding, we would have luxuries such as...heat in every classroom!
Thirdly, some of the Latin textbooks are actually quite new; both Fabulae Graecae and Fabulae Romanae are recent. All the old books from the sixties are in the book room.

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Exactly what I used to hear from my kid about the coach and all the money getting funneled into football ("AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD!!") I did think that a boys' crew team was up and running but I must've misunderstood.

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Sounds like you might have a lawsuit, if what you are saying is true.

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I suppose it could be true, just as the rumor on every college campus that the dorms were designed by a prison architect could be true. But I'm fairly certain both BPS and BLS administrations are well aware of Title IX.

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I know an architect who worked on both the Harvard dorm renovation project and the lockups over by North Station.

The last few feet of the corridor are heavily soundproofed ...

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In college anyway (add a crew team with 100 women and that balances out other more expensive sports to cut for men and women). But this goes on at pretty much every school that has an AD as a football coach. Crew is club though, while football is a sanctioned MIAA sport. You would need to include cheerleading, dance team, etc if you included crew.

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2016 Dude , Dailtín, They used to have rowboats in the 60's , the girls had their own school in Codman Square, and what happened to Ritchies?.

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Great to see the liberal "haves" vs. "have nots" battling it out. The middle class is getting hammered or something like that. If a student comes back from the Global Warming "Climate Change" field trip to the Virgin Islands and reminds his teacher that there's been no warming in 20 years, can he stay at BLS or is that an automatic expulsion?

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