It's one thing for schools to give out condoms, quite another to give out condoms with suggestive wrappers

BPS pulls out of distribution of a bunch of condoms obtained from the state because they come in wrappers with messages such as "Hump one."

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    Is this really a concern? I

    Is this really a concern? I mean come on people, your kids see more suggestive stuff at the Teen Awards. But sure, lets have the city/state shell out more money for condom wrappers that don't offend the delicate sensibilities of a bunch of busy bodies.

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    Agree

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    The whole idea of even giving out condoms promotes sexual activity is ridiculous. Like a 14 year old boy and 14 year old girl are sitting around wondering what they should do.....then they see the condom that the boy got in school and decide "hey, we should try that sex thing". It's foolish thinking, especially today when you can turn on any tv show and see sexually suggestive images.

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    What business does a middled

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    What business does a middled aged, creepy dude have with what teenagers do?

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    yeah, what if people wanted

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    yeah, what if people wanted to use the condoms for non sexual purposes, this would entice them to use them for naughty things.

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    Okay - who wants to raise the babies?

    Funny how there seems to be no interest in accepting the consequences of such moralizing.

    Then again, I have no interest in raising my own grandchildren, so I happily provide a nice box of no excuses.

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    Freedom from consequences and

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    Freedom from consequences and responsibility by making it someone elses' burden enables irresponsible behavior.

    See easy credit, children of rich people, and the welfare system for further examples.

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    Who cares?

    I wouldn't. I only care that my boys obey Rule #1, handed down from their grandmother and great grandmother (she was a mother at 15):

    If you can't be good ... BE SANITARY!

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    Nope!

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    You really think that gaming is all that goes down at those all night gaming parties?

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

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    Gee

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    because kids these days are so oppressed, and condoms are wicked expensive and difficult to get. Sarcasm off.

    The main reason we have exceptionally high rates of out of wedlock, living in poverty, deprived children is we have enabled, even encouraged, having kids among people who are not capable of handling having children, especially financially. We give free and heavily subsidized goodies to 'moms', shower them with attention, tell them they don't need a 'man' around, in fact the government will give you even more free stuff if you aren't married and in a stable relationship. I know for a fact there are social workers who encourage women with kids and who are pregnant to claim their BF, father of the child,husband, abuses them, so they can receive more free benefits.

    When the poverty and out of wedlock rate is as massive as it is in some communities, even higher than it was before our so-called war on poverty, even though huge sums of $ have been spent and are spent, the status quo and system we've had in place for a half century is broken. Condoms is a goofy distraction from the real issues no one wants to discuss.

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    Head south

    You want to see a culture which enables early childbearing and shotgun weddings?

    It ain't in MA. Most people have their kids later, not sooner.

    These problems that you describe are the most serious in those places that "encourage" marriage and wallow in poverty.

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    If You Want Children To Use Condoms ...

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    ... then decorating the packages with cute and colorful images is a good thing. The notion that someone would object to a suggestive message on a condom wrapper seems absurd; what do they think they're for!

    Putting them in plain "medicinal" wrappers makes them uncool by comparison, and some children might feel more embarrassed or reluctant to use them. I don't think any of the messages are that inappropriate; some actually have a clever use of pictoral double entendre. You really need to see them to decide for yourself; here's the image Adam linked to above:
    IMAGE(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh6zZHjCIAAjZ6T.jpg)
    from stephanie (momsmt) on Twitter

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    Cute!

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    Looks like they're for kindergartners.

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    Heh heh heh

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    That one has a beaver on it. Beaver. Heh heh.

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    Never see them

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    I never see the wrappers. I only see the box. The wrappers are only revealed in a dark environment.

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    I know what you mean, bro

    Doing it with the lights on can be dangerous. We tried that once -- must have been back around '76 or so -- but my wife made me wear a brown paper bag over my head, and I almost suffocated.

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    Without fail every single time.

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    For condoms and safer sex practices to work they have to be used without fail every single time, with never a usage error, mechanical or manufacturing failure. Do you think arbitrary use of condoms and safer sex practices work better than not using them? Make a list of all dead and sick friends. Compare the Strategy: BEFORE sex get tested TOGETHER for A VARIETY OF STDs then make an INFORMED decision. google "tested together".

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    Short answer

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    " Do you think arbitrary use of condoms and safer sex practices work better than not using them? "

    Yes.

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    Re: Make a list of friends who died or are sick from AIDS.

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    I don't have the exact numbers, but some of my
    friends have died from AIDS. I suspect that some
    of them did not use condoms all the time. I suspect
    that some of those who used condoms experienced
    failures of use/manufacture. They are still dead.

    On the other hand, if they had gotten tested and
    made a choice to not have sex with infected
    individuals, it is reasonable to say that most of
    them would not be dead. Just as one can say
    that if they had all used perfect condoms, every
    time they had sex, without fail, some of them
    would not be dead.

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    Don't assume that people will form couples before sex

    Some people do. Some people don't.

    Some people will head to the doctor, get tested, and decide as a couple. Others will hook up with the flavor of the evening.

    What you propose is a good idea. So is using condoms. These options aren't exclusive.

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    Re: Make a list of friends who died or are sick from AIDS.

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    You are correct. They aren't exclusive.

    Make a list of dead friends. Indicate which
    of them used/didn't use condoms. Indicate
    those who got tested before sex and did
    have sex if the potential partner was HIV+.

    Compare the two lists to see how many
    dead friends are on each list.

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    Condom failure

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    Well, one could say, if you had sex with a condom,
    and the condom failed during sex, then, yes, the
    FAILED condom could be said to have caused a
    case of AIDS. But not every failed condom is the
    cause of a case of AIDS. One could take that point
    of view. But not me.

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    ???

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    I'm still totally mystified as to what point you're trying to make here, and what possible connection it might have to condom wrappers...

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    For condoms and safer sex practices to work they have to be used

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    For condoms and safer sex practices to work they have to be used without fail every single time, with never a usage error, mechanical or manufacturing failure. Do you think arbitrary use of condoms and safer sex practices work better than not using them? Make a list of all dead and sick friends. Compare the Strategy: BEFORE sex get tested TOGETHER for A VARIETY OF STDs then make an INFORMED decision. google "tested together".

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    Re: Make a list of friends who died or are sick from AIDS.

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    I can imagine it hurts. Keep in mind that I, like you,
    have a list of friends dead from AIDS.

    Those lists continue to grow. And that's because
    people are not working against the daily human
    failures cause new names to be added.

    If you want to stop hurting then do something
    that will make a difference. Do things that will
    keep your name off somebody's list.

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    You sound like the abstinence freaks

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    Seriously. People don't work like you think they do. Stop it.

    What you propose is not workable and makes sense only for couples - and grownup ones with health insurance at that.

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    B4 sex test 2GETHER 4 A VARIETY of STDs google "tested together"

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    You sound like the abstinence freaks

    Seriously. People don't work like you think they do. Stop it.

    You mean sex is not such a compelling force that people
    end up having sex, then regret having done so when they
    later discover they caught something?

    Damn! And all this time it was me extrapolating from my
    own personal experience. And all the people who told me
    the exact same story, or very similar, were only making
    it up, or saying that to make me feel better.


    What you propose is not workable and makes sense only for couples - and grownup ones with health insurance at that.

    That is not true. Any individual can go to a public
    health clinic and get tested. But so can couples. And
    in most cases it won't cost you anything.

    The next time you are in Massachusetts go to one
    of the free clinics and get tested, by yourself, or
    with anyone else:
    http://www.massresources.org/free-clinics.html

    Agreed...

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    So regardless of what is on the outside of a a condom wrapper, they should be distributed, correct?

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    Re: Make a list of friends who died or are sick from AIDS.

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    I don't care if a condom wrapper says
    "Die, Faggot, Die!"

    Distribute them. Advise people to use
    them. Advise people to get tested.

    Current medical capability means that
    a person can live a long and relatively
    healthy life once they know they are
    HIV+ and begin treatment.

    Help your friends stay off your list.

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    Likelihood

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    Getting tested is only accurate after a window period, so you also have to advocate that you not have sex with someone until a month after they last had sex or shared needles with someone else. Just saying "get tested" isn't helpful.

    Also, in our state, there are a total of about 28,000 people living with HIV in MA according to the state in 2011 (including undiagnosed cases). That is 0.4% of the population. The failure rate of a condom (including human error) is around 15%. Without human error, it's only 2%.

    That means the probability that you would both have sex with someone who is HIV+ and have a condom failure is 0.004 * 0.15 = 0.0006 or .06% or 1 in 1667. That is the equivalence of having sex with a different partner every day for nearly 5 years before you finally got AIDS. You would be better off just advocating that people not have sex to be 100% certain, especially since telling your potential love interest that you want to get tested with them will have that effect for all but the most romantically (yet not having sex) involved couples.

    These numbers also don't account for the predominance of transmission in MA (just over 50%) still being male-male gay sex and shared needle drug use. Or age...since we are speaking about teenagers getting condoms here. All of these facts would even further reduce the likelihood of getting AIDS for a random couple giving it from one to another without first getting tested. In fact, we are starting to talk about probabilities that are in the same ballpark as the failure rate of the test.

    Finally, only about 200 people die each year in MA from AIDS. The number is way down from where it used to be. The likelihood that any of our lists (assuming we are under the age of 45) would even have more than 10 names or be growing is really low unless we hung out in the right circles of friends that are at higher risk than the average population.

    You would also do more of a service to tell people to keep a list of friends killed in motor vehicle accidents and tell them not to get behind the wheel until they always blew into a breathalyzer or took a defensive driving course.

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    B4 sex test 2GETHER 4 A VARIETY OF STDs google tested together

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    Likelihood

    Getting tested is only accurate after a window period, so you also have to advocate that you not have sex with someone until a month after they last had sex or shared needles with someone else. Just saying "get tested" isn't helpful.

    Getting tested is helpful. On the other hand, just saying
    may result in someone getting tested.

    Here's information about "windows":
    http://www.sfaf.org/hiv-info/testing/hiv-test-window-periods.html


    Also, in our state, there are a total of about 28,000 people living with HIV in MA according to the state in 2011 (including undiagnosed cases). That is 0.4% of the population. The failure rate of a condom (including human error) is around 15%. Without human error, it's only 2%.

    Saying what the failure rate is, isn't helpful. I suspect
    mathematics doesn't enter into most people's calculations
    regarding having sex.


    That means the probability that you would both have sex with someone who is HIV+ and have a condom failure is 0.004 * 0.15 = 0.0006 or .06% or 1 in 1667. That is the equivalence of having sex with a different partner every day for nearly 5 years before you finally got AIDS. You would be better off just advocating that people not have sex to be 100% certain,

    That's one approach. Unfortunately nature wants its way.


    especially since telling your potential love interest that you want to get tested with them will have that effect for all but the most romantically (yet not having sex) involved couples.

    While you were sleeping the rate of couples getting
    tested before having sex has increased considerably.


    These numbers also don't account for the predominance of transmission in MA (just over 50%) still being male-male gay sex and shared needle drug use. Or age...since we are speaking about teenagers getting condoms here. All of these facts would even further reduce the likelihood of getting AIDS

    Somehow I'm skeptical that facts reduce the
    likelihood of getting AIDS. I think using condoms
    and getting tested are more likely to do that.


    for a random couple giving it from one to another without first getting tested. In fact, we are starting to talk about probabilities that are in the same ballpark as the failure rate of the test.

    You seem to be relying on the power of mathematics
    more than I'm willing to.


    Finally, only about 200 people die each year in MA from AIDS. The number is way down from where it used to be. The likelihood that any of our lists (assuming we are under the age of 45) would even have more than 10 names or be growing is really low unless we hung out in the right circles of friends that are at higher risk than the average population.

    Make your own list if you are gay, then ask your gay
    friends how many are on their lists.


    You would also do more of a service to tell people to keep a list of friends killed in motor vehicle accidents and tell them not to get behind the wheel until they always blew into a breathalyzer or took a defensive driving course.

    No disagreement about drunk driving, text driving,
    or other variations on inattention while behind the
    wheel of a vehicle.

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    Cheating, drug use, etc. after testing

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    You are dealing with humans, here. Humans don't exhibit ideal moral or ethical behavior.

    Condoms are a way to deal with that.

    So is getting tested - but you assume that 1. people couple and 2. people stay coupled and 3. people don't cheat or use heroin or even get needle sticks at work.

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    B4 sex test 2GETHER 4 A VARIETY of STDs google "tested together"

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    Cheating, drug use, etc. after testing

    You are dealing with humans, here. Humans don't exhibit ideal moral or ethical behavior.

    You know you may be right. Prior to your bringing it
    up I hadn't thought of my gay friends as human. Will
    do so from this point forward.


    Condoms are a way to deal with that.

    You are correct sir/madam/non-human entity.


    So is getting tested.

    You are correct yet again sir/madam/non-human entity.
    Give that man/woman/person a cigar!


    - but you assume that 1. people couple and 2. people stay coupled and 3. people don't cheat or use heroin or even get needle sticks at work.

    I have looked back at my previous words and can't
    can't find myself having said any of your three assumptions.

    Let me correct your false assumptions about my
    assumptions:

    1) people couple
    2) people don't always stay coupled
    3) people cheat
    4) people use heroin
    5) people get needle sticks at work and other places

    Now you can safely say that I said:

    1) people don't couple
    2) people always stay coupled
    3) people never cheat
    4) people never use heroin
    5) people never get needle sticks

    Now that should help you feel a lot better.

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    Re: Make a list of friends who died or are sick from AIDS.

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    Finally, only about 200 people die each year in MA from AIDS. The number is way down from where it used to be. The likelihood that any of our lists (assuming we are under the age of 45) would even have more than 10 names or be growing is really low unless we hung out in the right circles of friends that are at higher risk than the average population.

    It seems to me that older people would have
    a longer list.


    Make your own list if you are gay, then ask your gay
    friends how many are on their lists.

    Is Make your own list if you are gay, then ask your gay friends how many are on their lists. punctuated the way intended?...

    My bad. I assumed you would be sharp enough able to see
    the multiple meanings in those words.

    *clutches pearls*

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    Won't _someone_ think of the corporate trademark infringement ??

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