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Stars and Bars flying in Dedham

Somebody was flying the Stars and Bars Confederate flag today on Washington Street in Dedham, just north of the turn for the Dedham Mall.

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    Reminds me of the old joke

    Reminds me of the old joke during the resurgence of the Stars and Bars during the Civil Rights movement.

    Q. Why did they choose this particular flag.
    A. The Swastika was already taken.

    Despite my belief that reconstruction was a mistake (see Gingrich, Cruz, Perry et. al.), one can argue that flying this flag is a treasonous act. But as a liberal, tolerant kind of guy, perhaps this guy is just upset at the alleged involvement and support of Dedham Police officer, Michael Schoener with a long-term convicted felon?

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    Still doesn't beat the one

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    Still doesn't beat the one plastered on the pickup truck in front of me driving past Dudley Station. Talk about random...

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    yeah....

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    I pass that nearly every day, sometimes it's a different flag, but that ones up pretty often.

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    ...

    ... AND flying the LOSER FLAG!

    Dude, its been over for nearly 150 years! YOU LOST!

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    North of the Dedham Mall?

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    I know we've been going back and forth on geography, but north of the mall puts the house in Oasis territory.

    I admit I've never been, but the Oasis strikes me as the kind of place that someone who hangs the Stars and Bars from their porch would go to get shitfaced.

    Goes to show what I know

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    In my heart, it will never be gone. It will always be there, sucking sunshine and the will to live away from all who come near.

    Rumor has it.....

    That the Bamboo restaurant from the Dedham Holiday Inn was looking at that property. I know the old owners lived in the house that was detached from the bar, so they would need to completely renovate the entire lot if they want room for parking and a decent size building.

    It will be interesting to see......

    If Dedham allows the new owners to build with just the 20 parking spaces (if Dedham requires a 34 minimum space lot).

    Has anyone ever seen this place on Kareoke night? Pure Americana.

    Yeah, it has a special place in my heart, too

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    But for a different reason: Years, ago the kidlet and I were taking the super-sekrit shortcut from the West Roxbury quarry to Washington (basically, take the last of Centre Street's bizarro 90-degree turns and follow it) and when we got to Washington, there was a turkey right in the parking lot, just turkeying around as some folks from the bar stood there, watching it. Was the first time she'd ever seen a live turkey.

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    Oasis

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    Isnt that a band from the 1990s?

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    North of the turn for the mall

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    The flag's on the Halfway Cafe side of the street, just up from where somebody coming from, say, Dedham Center, would turn to get into the mall, and just past the cemetery. I guess it's northeast from the mall itself :-).

    Technically it's not the "Stars and Bars"

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    "The Stars and Bars" generally refers to the first national flag of the Confederacy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#...

    It's similar in design to the "Betsy Ross" flag and almost no one seems to recognize it. (Most could guess about the "Stainless Banner" or the "Blood Stained Banner" but forget about the "Bonnie Blue" ... yeah there were a few flags.)

    What you're looking at, essentially, the battle flag by the Army of Northern Virginia or the flag of the Army of Tennessee.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America#...

    Sorry to be pedantic but it's a pet peeve.

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    Actually, thanks for

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    Actually, thanks for correcting that-- it's a pet peeve of mine as well, though one that I unfortunately find myself "discussing" with the southern half of my family, a few of whom claim flying the battle flag is something something symbolic blah blah southern culture yadda gentility spanish moss julep.

    This is a flag of an army defending slavery. Virginia passed and signed its Ordinance of Secession because it wanted to retain slavery. Period. Not because of states rights, not to preserve some ineffable Virginia-ness or southernhood, but because the legislature of the state of Virginia, with support of the white male voting citizenry, thought that their ability to enslave blacks was endangered. The Ordinance does not mention any specific point of complaint ("oppression") with the United States except for slavery:

    The people of Virginia in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression, and the Federal Government having perverted said powers not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern slave-holding States:

    Now, therefore, we, the people of Virginia, do declare and ordain, that the ordinance adopted by the people of this State in convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, whereby the Constitution of the United States of America was ratified, and all acts of the General Assembly of this State ratifying and adopting amendments to said Constitution, are hereby repealed and abrogated; that the union between the State of Virginia and the other States under the Constitution aforesaid is hereby dissolved, and that the State of Virginia is in the full possession and exercise of all the rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.

    Virginia declared itself, ironically, "a free and independent state" only so that it could maintain slavery-- not because of some libertarian principle, but because of slavery.

    All of the legislative debates in spring 1861 leading to the declaration of secession were about he right to slavery and expanding slavery to new states.

    When I need to do something to "celebrate southern culture," I eat burgoo or Brunswick stew made with hanover tomatoes and silver queen corn, and read Pogo.

    Ordinance:
    http://research.archives.gov/description/598395

    Study of the Special Assembly of the VA Convention on Secession:
    http://collections.richmond.edu/secession/introduction.html

    Sorry for the rant, but it really is my biggest pet peeve)

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    Should be outlawed

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    Like Nazi paraphernalia is in Germany. Your 1st Amendment rights shouldn't cover seditious or treasonous displays.

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    Treason>unpopular

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    I'm not talking about unpopular speech. I'm talking about a symbol related to treasonous historical acts.

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    Doesn't Matter

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    It's still protected by the First Amendment and rightly so. You and I may not care for what it symbolizes, but such symbols and speech are the reason that amendment exists. You can't pick and choose certain things it won't apply to and still be guaranteed that freedom for yourself.

    Suldog
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    Scary that these folks are apparently serious

    Almost as scary as the Confederate flag guy. A return to legalized slavery is far, far less likely than a damaging erosion of free speech, as some of the above commenters (who probably consider themselves progressive) seem to advocate. Treason charges for a flag? Yikes. Bo and Luke would be in Guantanamo if these people had their way.

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    First Amendment exists to protect our freedom

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    Not to permit blanket free speech. Free speech rights aren't absolute by any means.

    Some speech is rightly proscribed already. (Obscenity, fighting words, yelling fire in a theatre, etc.)

    Banning the flag could also be legislated and, if necessary, cleared by SCOTUS. I'd support an amendment for this.

    Again, this is not "unpopular" speech. It's very specific. It's a symbol of sedition. The Confederates were traitors and their leaders should have been tried and hanged.

    And in response to other posts:

    I'm not very political. This isn't a liberal/conservative issue for me, it's a patriotic one. You want to take up arms against the US, you're a traitor.

    Also, I guess I have to spell this out: I/m not suggesting people who fly the flag today be tried for treason. Good Lord. I'm suggesting the act itself carry criminal penalties.

    This could certainly be legislated if their was the political will.

    Anything Can Be Legislated

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    This could certainly be legislated if their was the political will.

    So can all sorts of limitations on our freedoms that others might like to see - no homosexuality, no drinking, no drugs, no voting rights, no free expression of religion, no property rights, no minimum wage, no asparagus on alternate weekends - whatever. And that's why we have The First Amendment and the rest of The Bill of Rights, so when such things ARE legislated the courts have a vehicle with which to knock down that legislation and to give the legislators a slap upside the head to tell them they can't turn this country into their own particular wet dream of a totalitarian state.

    I mean, what part of freedom of speech do you not understand? It's very simple. In a free state, if you want the right to say what's on your mind, you have to grant the other fellow the right to say what's on his mind. If anyone is not allowed their opinion (expressed via actual speech or other means equal to speech such as flag waving) then there IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH. You can't pick and choose what freedom of speech you're willing to grant to others. The very act of trying to do that is an abrogation of the freedom.

    Suldog
    http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

    The Confederacy wasn't

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    The Confederacy wasn't seditious or treasonous. It was secessionist. They were also slavers but I don't believe slaverist is a real word.

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    The south and southern state

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    The south and southern state governments, and some firebrand individuals, were seditious. Inciting rebellion is pretty much the definition of sedition.

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    Your liberal streak...

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    Ban it? I'm not fond of that flag either. But this is America and it doesn't work that way. Your stereotypical liberal streak is showing: Don't like or agree with something? Then it must be banned. Right? Wrong. This is a free country - get used to it. Not everything must be required to soothe your personal delicate sensibilities.

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    Why are you assuming

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    That the person who wants to ban it identifies as Liberal?

    They may want a ban on any non-US flag - how about that?

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    Oh, are liberals trying to

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    Oh, are liberals trying to ban abortion?
    Ban citizens from voting without IDs?
    Prevent pot from being legalized?
    Ban gay marriage? Ban gay couples from adopting?
    Ban women from suing employers for unfair pay if not filed within six months of a pay period?
    Are liberals trying to ban references to Darwin from state parks?

    They're not? Oh, okay. Gosh, then who is?

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    Explanation

    Uhhhh, voting without ID is a good thing? Explanation?

    Literacy tests for voting seem like a good idea, too, until you look at the history of how they were implemented with the intent and effect of disenfranchising voters along racial lines.... in the most egregious cases the examiner would "randomly" select a page from "the cat in the hat" when a white voter reached the head of the line, and a page from Shakespeare when a black voter reached the head of the line.

    Voter ID laws would have a lot more credibility if:

    • There were any evidence that voter fraud of the sort that would be stopped by requiring ID was actually a problem, and/or
    • The voter ID laws were something other than a completely transparent partisan effort to disenfranchise the opposition.
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    Voter fraud

    Exactly - no evidence of it, other than a few stories about wealthy Republicans voting at several different places with several different addresses. Even that isn't a significant issue on a large-scale basis.

    That's the game here: people want to believe that those on welfare are all heavy drug users and people are voting repeatedly and fraudulently in certain neighborhoods - however, these attractive beliefs are nothing but distractions from reality, because there is evidence that they aren't actually happening on any scale that actually matters!

    Then again, the THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALL BAD PEOPLE moral dudgeon crowd is well known for its staunch allergy to fact checking and rejection of any data/statistics because they tend not to support their delusions. Makes them easy to exploit and distract from things like, oh, inversion and such.

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    I don't care about the

    I don't care about the dogwhistle partisan stuff, it just seems common sense to identify someone when they go to vote. How do know someone isn't under 18 or a convicted felon, or isn't a citizen or has already voted or isn't at the right polling place?

    That would be fine

    That would be fine, unless it turned out that there were in fact a large number of people who don't have drivers' licenses, and for whom taking a day off work to go to an inconveniently located state office to pay for and obtain a state ID would be a significant obstacle to voting.

    I'd be fine with requiring ID to vote if the state would issue, free of charge, an ID to any registered voter who needed one, at an office whose hours and location were convenient to the voter.

    But that of course, is not the game that the Republicans are playing with their push for voter ID.

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    I'd think your social

    I'd think your social security card would be enough or a copy of your last tax return. How the heck does anyone do anything without at least some form of identification?

    How indeed

    I'd think your social security card would be enough or a copy of your last tax return.

    Yeah, except that because the entire purpose of voter-ID laws is to make voting inconvenient for some people, they stipulate government-issued photo ID.

    Also, social security cards are not considered useful ID; pretty much anyone could carry anyone else's social security card to the polls, and it's trivially easy to print off a fake one. As for tax forms, anyone who wants to could fill out a tax return with any name he or she wants; it's unclear how a copy would constitute ID.

    How the heck does anyone do anything without at least some form of identification?

    There's an entire world of Americans out there who don't live the life you take for granted. They don't have bank accounts (Years ago I heard from the HR department of a large employer who said that they had a few long-time employees each of whom had accumulated over $500K worth of stock in their company stock plan, who did not have bank accounts and received their paycheck in the traditional envelope with the pay and deductions written on the outside and the pay in cash inside. ) They don't own or drive cars. And they don't fly on airplanes or check into hotels (which is pretty much the only time anyone asks for my ID).

    How we know

    How do know someone isn't under 18 or a convicted felon, or isn't a citizen or has already voted or isn't at the right polling place?

    • If they're under 18, they won't appear on the voter rolls at the precinct
    • If they're an ineligible felon, they won't appear on the voter rolls at the precinct
    • If they're in the wrong place, they won't appear on the voter rolls, but one of the precinct workers should be able to redirect them appropriately.

    Checking IDs would potentially address the first situation, but there's no evidence minors are beating down precinct doors to vote fraudulently.

    Requiring ID might help clarify the third situation in the case of someone who was incapable of just giving their house number and street name (my ex is like that. Asking where she lives gets you a paragraph description instead of a f'ing address).

    It would do absolutely nothing to stop a felon from voting because we don't stamp FELON on people's licenses. We simply remove them from the rolls.

    Oh, of course not..

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    Certainly no voter fraud. Those heavily democrat precincts in Philly and other major cities where after the votes were tallied, media reports confirmed that more votes were cast than there were registered voters on the rolls can easily be explained. The women in Chicago who bragged to the news cameras that they and every member of their families voted six or more times for Obama was dismissed as just a "misunderstanding". But if you are a certified dumb ass with 'progressive' blinders on well then yes, I can see why you would insist that there is no voter fraud taking place. You give the term useful idiot a new meaning.

    Just a question Swirley;

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    Just a question Swirley; When the DNC mails to me an absentee ballot in my mothers name and I use the ballot and then go vote in person - who'd know?
    How would you ever find out?
    I don't agree that voter fraud is all made up. Just a couple of weeks ago a NH (or MA) dem was arrested on voter fraud.

    The DNC is mailing absentee ballots?

    That would be the flag to keep you from voting. Only your local government should be sending those out!

    Which reminds me - I need to make it to City Hall before I leave town, so I can vote. Sorry to be missing my young dude's first poll outing, though (he registered when he got his state ID).

    And of course Voter ID does

    And of course Voter ID does exactly nothing to prevent voter fraud via absentee ballot. But it sure does make it harder for those pesky minorities and college students to vote.

    Yes, they have mailed them to

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    Yes, they have mailed them to my home address in my mothers name. My mistake though, it was the MA Dem party, NOT the DNC.
    She's never voted via absentee ballot.
    So, I assume it's OK to use.

    I call BS

    I don't believe that a political party has mailed out absentee ballots.

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    Dixie Flag

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    I'm sure this will be an unpopular post but..

    As someone who lived in the South.. while a Dixie/Rebel Flag (which is what it's really called) may seem like a symbol of racism and slavery to most northerners. It really isn't. Most southerners, while most of them being white, see the Dixie/Rebel flag as a way to show that you are Southern, and not a sign of racism. It's just a flag to represent the "old south". (that and to pretend that Dukes of Hazzard is still valid)

    And yes I'm well aware the 'old south' included slavery, however there was a lot of history in the south outside of slavery, and it's to remember THAT "old south".

    (I don't agree but just stating how I saw the flag represented down there when I lived in the South for several years)

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    I could argue that point

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    but I won't because its sunday.

    Again just stating how I saw it.. not that I agree or want to have a debate about it :)

    Byron Thomas

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    Spokesman for every black American who is, was, and ever will be. He should get that printed on a business card or something. Maybe some novelty pens?

    Some do

    Not all black people, southern or not, think exactly alike on all issues, even those as polarizing as this flag.

    That may be true

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    But unless the folks living in that house are refugees from, oh, Macon, GA, that flag very definitely only has one meaning for everybody north of the Mason-Dixon line (we spent one July Fourth in Tennessee, near the NC line; it was kind of disturbing to see all the pickup trucks flying that flag).

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    yeah

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    Like I said, I don't agree with it just stating how it's seen elsewhere.

    A shrewd Yankee plot?

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    This proud resident isn't flying the Flag of Treason in Defense of Slavery out of Southern Pride - they may simply have problems with deer eating their shrubbery, and want meat-eating humans to unload a torrent of urine on them to repel the deer!

    Cheaper than buying concentrated urine treatments.

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    When I use to visit the south

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    When I use to visit the south I would see confederate flags from time to time. The basic clientele were rednecks who had no education past high school at best. Also many had this flag to be racist. I love the south but despise the rednecks who still call people from the north "blue bloods". I'm neither southern nor northern minded, but to them if you don't speak with a southern accent your a yank. Annoying

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    Good thing

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    That the people of Boston were so enlightened that they never had to have a court order them to integrate their schools. Totally not a bunch of ignorant racists.

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    Question

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    If the flag was a red hammer and sickle, would there be the same level of outrage? We do intimate business and built up the Chicoms (communist Chinese), a nation ruled by incredibly brutal and murderous thugs....do most people reading this really care and would they care if they saw a Chinese flag on the side of that porch? My opinion based on much experience is no on all the above. Indignant outrage only applies to Nazi symbols and in this case the old confederate flag.

    Righteous indignation is more believable when evenly applied rather than cherry picked .

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    Answer

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    It isn't the Chinese flag. When you find one flying in Dedham, do be a dear and let us know.

    And yeah, it's just horrible beyond belief that people might find something objectionable in a depiction of a Nazi or Confederate flag. Gosh, I can hardly imagine why.

    Next straw man argument?

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    Where did I say a Nazi flag or confederate flag

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    wasn't offensive? I didn't. A Nazi flag is certainly highly offensive to me and most people, although not illegal to fly. A confederate flag is offensive to some, although it's also iconic and a symbol of the south as a region. It's used and flown in many places and imo not remotely as offensive as a Nazi flag.

    As for my comment regarding the Chicom flag or hammer and sickle, it in fact is not unusual to see the hammer and sickle as an adornment, on shirts, hats,buttons, almost as a fashion statement, as is the image of Che. I personally, as do many. others, find the image of Che or hammer and sickle as offensive as the Nazi flag and swastika. They both are symbols of mass murderers on an epic scale, war,hatered, psychopathic behavior. And I'm comfirtable in asserting that,at least in these parts, someone wearing the image of Che, a hammer and sickle, or even flying the red flag, wouldn't produce much outrage. Many would think it's kinda cool. Is it hypocritical to be outraged by one symbol of psychopathic bloodshed and violence but not others? Absolutely. And the confederate flag rates far lower on the outrage scale than a swastika or hammer and sickle. Ask people who suffered greatly under communism and Marxism, ask people who had relatives and ancestors murdered by the millions in the name of communism and Marxism, if they equate the communist/Marxist symbols often used as 'cool' fashion statements, as the same evil that the swastika repesents. Again, there's selective outrage and cherry picking going on.

    Please

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    You say, again, that somehow the confederacy or Nazi Germany weren't as bad as China under Mao.

    "And the confederate flag rates far lower on the outrage scale than a swastika or hammer and sickle."

    If you don't think that 200+ years of slavery, accompanied by hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of deaths in the slave trade were not right up there in the global scale of evil, however, there's not really much of an argument we can have.

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    OMFG

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    PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I SAID NAZISM WASN'T AS BAD AS COMMUNISM/MARXISM; I SAID NO SUCH THING.

    Regarding the confederacy, I think it's a hell of a stretch comparing it to the Nazis, fascist, and Marxist/Communist. Slavery was a common practice in the world, including not just black Africans (who were sold into slavery black African slave dealers), among whites, Asians, the semitic people of the Middle East, even Native Americans/Indians. In fact, it was whites who were the first in modern times to ban and outlaw the practice. Slavery existed well into the 19th century in South America (most African slaves went to Spanish and Portuguese colonies in the new world, especially Brazil), and still exist in parts of Asia, the Middle East, and Africa today, even though it's officially banned.

    The U.S. civil war wasn't primarily about slavery, it was about state's rights vs the federal government. Lincoln freed the southern slaves primarily as a military tactic and in fact wanted them to be sent back to Africa. The confederate flag is no more a symbol of slavery than any symbol if a place that practiced slavery, such as the say the Union Jack.

    And I’m not minimizing awful practice of slavery and it's victims, but historical fact is it was a widespread practice pretty much everywhere in the world, among all 'races' of people.For all I know I could well have had ancestors who were slaves.

    Um, yes it was...

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    The civil war was started basically because the stupid southerners were especially peeved over Lincoln not being cool with the extension of slavery into the western territories. And, of course, the plantation owners loosing their ability to continue to keep human beings in bondage.

    Lincoln, originally, was not for emancipation but was very much against slavery's expansion. But eventually he supported the 13th Amendment whole heartedly.

    I would hate to think that you are some sort of apologist for slavery in our country, by reading your comments. I really hope that I am incorrect.

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    The only alleged right of the

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    The only alleged right of the states in question was the right to own human beings as slaves. So, the Civil War was, in fact, entirely about slavery. Sorry, hick. You got your asses kicked. Time to accept it.

    They are all worthless bits of cloth.

    The rewards of being a robust participant in a reasonably congenial and thoughtful society rise far above these regionalist and nationalist decorations.

    You could argue that the inherent hardscrabble worthlessness of New England for a plantation economy was a saving grace. This land was handed off to dreamers and religious pests who learned to live by their wits and mercantile sea trade.

    The South was generally hosed from the get go. It was where feudalism tried to take root here even as it was choking in the old country.

    The 3rd Earl of Nitwiton got his shiftless nephew a land charter for some square mileage that looked like it would grow indigo and maybe something more valuable.

    By the mid 19th century, the ruling Southern oligarchs were a bunch of dissipated Ivanhoe wannabes, easily rising to the top tier of despicability in the annals of human viciousness. The whole evil slavery mess only stunted them further.

    But if there were no slaves, the rulers would have happily settled for some kind of debased serfdom as that was an element of many early passage arrangements..indentured servitude.

    And they more or less defaulted to that after history took away their human livestock. It was muted by the rise of industry and new ways of making a living, but some strange nostalgia clings.

    I don't know if it's useful to pound on them compared with finding ways to engage and build something worthwhile or at least try.

    And this place rarely looks more sophomoric than when some of the regulars do those bad cliche ma and pa kettle 'southerner' mocks. They are just crappy.. cringe worthy like some drunken uncle at a kids kegger eyeing the lampshade.

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    So true

    "And this place rarely looks more sophomoric than when some of the regulars do those bad cliche ma and pa kettle 'southerner' mocks. They are just crappy.. cringe worthy like some drunken uncle at a kids kegger eyeing the lampshade."

    So, so true.

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    Let me try this one

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    The difference between the hammer and sickle (or the PRC flag) and the swastika and the Confederate battle flag is that the former had a chance to rehabilitate themselves while the latter continues to show it self to be hateful.

    Stalin killed millions, yes, but Brezhnev didn't, and the last head of the USSR was a reformer. Mao also was responsible for the death of millions (more manslaughter than murder, but what's the difference to the dead), but while the PRC has issues, it is no worse than most other nations in the world today.

    Contrast that with the Confederate battle flag. It was the flag used by several U.S. states when they left the union over slavery. After their rebellion failed, the flag was used by the losers to show that they were different from the victors, true, but let's be honest, Mississippi, Georgia, and the rest did not adopt the flag as almost an official flag until the civil rights movement in the 1950s.

    Perhaps someday, when whites across the south embrace their darker brethren (maybe over the common cause of immigration, but who knows why) and say that while the south is a proud place with proud traditions, slavery and Jim Crow aren't things to be proud of, then the battle flag will no longer be a hateful symbol. The rest of us await this.

    And before you make the claim, no, the flag should not be illegal. People have the right to be morons with things like that.

    (And if you ask where the swastika fits into this, you are basically a moron. It's a hateful symbol. Leave it at that.)

    Flags Are Funny

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    Apparently there is some group trying to "reclaim" the swastika as a symbol not associated with the Nazi party, but rather its original use in various cultures. Good luck with that... but it is funny how an otherwise mundane symbol got associated with that regime.

    But anyhow, any flag you fly is going to show some nationalistic tendencies or have negative connotations for some party. This is why some people fly these instead [or maybe they just like bad TV too much].

    I was going to mention India

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    And I believe Buddhism, but then things would have gotten confusing.

    It does suck for the cultures that used the swastika for so long to have it misappropriated by Hitler. I'd say the same thing about the confederate flag, but I don't think there was ever a time when it was a sweet, innocent thing. Perhaps in the eyes of the old plantation owners, but not for the rest of us.

    Yes, there was more outrage

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    When a Chinese organization flew a PRC flag on the corner of Hancock and Beale St in Quincy in 07 there were protests on the corner for a week or two. The protesters were an interesting mix of older, white guys looking like they came over from the VFW and anti-Communist Chinese immigrants.

    Odd analogy

    If the flag was a red hammer and sickle, would there be the same level of outrage?

    I don't know, is the red hammer and sickle the flag of an enemy that ever fought a war against Americans? Did an army flying the red hammer and sickle flag ever kill Americans in combat?

    If it were, maybe the same level of outrage would be appropriate.

    What if we never went to war against the Nazis?

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    The swastika would be cool? And for the record we have engaged in armed conflict with Marxist communists nations and through proxy conflicts. 50,000 U.S. military personnel died from the Vietnam conflict alone. Marxist have committed horrific atrocities repeatedly, on par with the Nazis. I'm confused why some refuse to acknowledge this.

    Army of the Potomac

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    The neighbor across the street should fly an Army of the Potomac flag.

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