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Chipping away at the Red Line

Workers clearing ice and snow on the Red Line in Quincy

The MBTA provided this photo of workers clearing ice and snow on Red Line tracks near Water Street in Quincy this morning.

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The Commonwealth needs to get creative, offer to anyone owing tax, parking fees, can reduce it by giving time....community service time, something....they need added man/woman power to get things back in order....and even that only lasts through tomorrow(next storm)
Create sign off for hours worked, offer comparable wage vs debt reduction. (gets this in order, saves court fees, establishes goodwill and camaraderie (remember those feelings of accomplishment? they are good!)

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I think it's a good idea, but i think the T can only contract labor like this with unions.

Not sure it would be possible to get this done as 'community service'; maybe an attorney can comment on that.

Also it's a slippery slope if the state is allowed to get cheap/free labor from people who have broken the law.

Still, we need a lot of workers asap, so if it's remotely possible I'd be all for it.

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The T offered the work to any able-bodied worker at $30/hr and they actually got more people than they were capable of handling so some were turned away.

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This is where Baker needs to step in as the highest executive in the state. The T is in crisis and while Dr. Scott may lack the money or authority to get things done, Baker does not. He can order the National Guard out there to remove the snow or help in any way possible. He can ask MassDOT to redirect highway workers to do the same. If the Transit police are understaffed to supervise the additional people Baker can get the state police to step in.

We need a leader, not someone who refuses to talk to about the T until after the crisis (err, bad weather) is over.

If Baker did these things he'd likely be violating multiple union agreements. In this case, that's not a problem. Let Baker go to the public and say he is working around the clock and devoting every state resource to getting the T back to being fully operational and the union is trying to stand in his way. That's how you gain public support if you have to do something the unions won't like in the future. (I'm not anti-union but I'm very pro-transit. You can't let contracts stand in the way of 1.2 million people getting to work.)

Sadly, Baker is doing none of this. The T management seems to be doing what they can but after three weeks they are burnt out and without any support from Baker and others we're going to keep having non-stop problems. What Baker and others fail to understand is that this shutdown massively hurts the state economy now and in the future. It's not just frustration to the people who use the T it's a real turn-off to the types of businesses the state needs to attract.

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The other employees you mention have other roles they are likely working in already. I agree that Governor Baker needs to take this in hand to further resolve as quickly as possible. He has the experts working for him as he's appointed along the way...and many more to his disposal - time to use them. In the MEMA bunker, planning should be optimal at a time like this, more than advisory to the public.

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This is a matter of resource allocation. Is it more important that the T tracks are cleared and working or that snow is trucked away from the shoulder on I-93 and DCR paths are cleared?

Get the T working ASAP then send people back to their normal jobs. The job of a governor is to prioritize and manage a crisis.

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I like how it's perfectly fine for the State Police to have the bodies to staff any other agencies event, and, fine that the T's police department can't staff their own. An abundance of the costliest cops, lacking the cheaper ones. MAkes perfect sense.

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Volunteer....it's not forced....it's not obligatory...volunteer, with credit...not payment. I am a Union member....but I also know things need to be done in a timely practical way. I think the Governor knows this as well. He isn't where he is by accident. Put a practical emergency package in place to address these issues on a one time basis, and could be revisited should the emergency occur again, which it will by the week's out. Practical informed planning.

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Surely, there is a better way to do this, or even better, to prevent this from happening? Why wouldn't a plow train work? Couldn't they hook up a diesel engine with a special plow that clears the tracks and third rail?

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I recall that the operating procedure is they keep running the trains through the storm and thus use them as plows including hours not taking passengers. But it seems that this tactic no longer works. It may just be too much snow, but I remember hearing how 40% of the OL trains are out. So if I am to speculate, since the first storm knocked out 40% of the Orange Line fleet, this shows the trains are no longer capable to act as plows anymore. Both that there's so few working trains left to use as plows and possibly the train just no longer have the endurance to plow snow if they are still "functional".

I also speculate if 40% of the fleet was out, then they have not been able to recover those trains before the second storm. Thus, likely knocking out more trains that were still alive. And the 3rd one... And now the 4th one...

If I'm right, this might get even worse before it get better. As this implies that trains can't be use as plows anymore. And thus increasingly smaller storms can do the same effect as these storms. And we will have to endure until the new trains comes that are capable to plowing through snow without breaking down.

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Running the trains only works for a period of time. The process only uses the passing force of the train to use its own passing gusts to blow snow away from the rails.

They used to have dedicated older retired cars to use as snow plows and work trains. One has to wonder what happened to them?

And while on the subject, what happened to the fancy jet turbine snow blowers that were brought in to solve all problems? We haven't seen any of those or any work cars operating on gas or diesel doing this work. We see manual laborers with shovels. And then pro T workers working with shovels and propane burners to un-melt switches.

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And we will have to endure until the new trains comes that are capable to plowing through snow without breaking down.

If anything, while the new trains with new AC motors will be less prone to problems, they are not invulnerable. They are passenger subway trains - not snow plows.

What is needed is a better snow removal system as might be found in cities and regions that are confronted with snow such as this more frequently.

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There is a small diesel locomotive and a diesel snow-blower assigned to the Red Line but both seem to be either out of service and/or they don't have anybody left trained how to use them.
I have seen photos of this equipment posted here and some other on line forums. Is there any explanation from the MBTA why this equipment no longer functions and what it would take to either get it working or replaced? The diesel equipment dates from 1987 so it is actually newer than some of the subway cars.

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shaken that bush so we know ya' there."

..."Shakin' it Boss!"

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Hand shoveling that large a distance seems ridiculous. I'm told they refused to use snow blowers because they weren't union made.

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Uh-huh, well if you heard it, it must be true.

It must have nothing to do with everyone's resources being tapped out; so much so that the T is asking people to bring their own shovels.

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No, nothing like that.

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32 years ago, they allowed the inmates to use snow blowers, why not today? Then again, John Deere workers are members of the UAW.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d82651450/Vault-Keeper-The-S...

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To pull the union made snow blowers.

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If you want some actual malfeasance to get upset about, apparently* the T has two purpose-built snow-blowing train cars that they're not using because years ago the only people who knew how to operate them retired. So the T has hundreds of their employees shoveling rather than doing their real jobs, and is now hiring (mostly union) shovelers at $30/hr to complement the T workers--rather than figure out how to get the snow-blowing trains working!

* This was posted on uHub a couple of days ago. No idea as to the original source or its reliability. But if it's true, it's certainly something actually worth being outraged about.

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A friend posted on Facebook a video she'd taken just after the biggest storm, of a snowblower train blowing snow off red line tracks in Dorchester.

If I had it I'd post it here.

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