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Council approves paid parental leave for non-union workers

The vote was unanimous. Councilors said they hope they can soon extend the benefit to all unionized workers as well.

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I approve of paid parental leave. With that said, in the case of union workers it seems reasonable for the city not to simply unilaterally give away something valuable without negotiating something valuable in return. That's kind of fundamental in the way labor negotiations are supposed to work, no?

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Do you feel this is a fundamental right (the rest of the world except for Swaziland, Liberia, and Papua New Guinea does)? If so, then it should be given to them without asking for anything in return.

Of course, if this is a bargaining chip, then bargain for it.

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I don't, in general, support the concept of laws that say, in effect, "every employee must take part of his or her compensation in the form of x rather than money," irrespective of whether x is health care, vacation time, paid parental leave, or retirement plan contribution.

I believe that I, as an employee, ought to be able to choose, for example, an extra 5% pay instead of paid parental leave.

I'm not an extremist about this, though: I don't want to live in the sort of libertarian paradise in which employees can bargain away, for example, workplace safety.

My only point is that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If , when the highway department says "Everyone needs to wear reflective safety vests," the union's response is, "Hey, that's a work rule change, let's get something in return," then I don't think we ought to be giving away anything for free.

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You make good points.

It's frustrating that the Unions generally take a Us vs Them attitude. There rarely seems to be any effort to work for a greater good or acknowledgment that management isn't trying to screw over the workers and the Union not take every workplace change as a direct attack.

I work in the mixed union / non-union shop. Most people are pretty relaxed and know that no one is out for their job. But there are a few notable union members who take every advantage to get out of doing work and are augmentative and everyone suffers. They just want to take and never give. They accuse the non-union managers are conspiring when it isn't the case at all. In the end everyone needs to be so "by the book" that no one is happy. It shouldn't be like that.

In progressive countries their safety net is such that getting fired isn't akin to risking starvation. I wish that in the US it was easier to fire someone but someone without a job didn't need to worry about lacking health insurance or a meal.

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Who else has that us vs. them attitude? Management, perhaps?

You might want to check out the history of the labor movement. The events that triggered the Bread and Roses strike, and how things transpired at the Ludlow Mines and with the Pinkertons at the Ford Motor Company isn't exactly collaborative management.

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I also know my workplace. SOME places have "management" who takes pleasure in screwing over "labor" and thinks of workers as slaves. But not all Union shops are like that. Sometimes people care a lot about the people who work and want them to be happy but still need to get a job done.

Unions have their place for sure. But wait until people are honestly being treated poorly before playing the Union card.

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Power corrupts. Crusading defenders of the worker, once they get enough power for long enough, become just another bureaucracy. That doesn't per se make the unions the good guys or the bad guys, but all concentrations of power become stale.

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Are they going to make an album together too? Is this like Velvet Revolver?

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But in this case, what you'd be getting isn't compensation rather than money. It's money you wouldn't get otherwise. If you choose to have a kid in America in nearly every situation, you're forgoing pay in order to expand your family (at a time when you probably need more money than ever before!). In some situations, you're forgoing keeping your job (however, that is lessened by the FMLA only SIX years ago!). The rest of the world has decided that this is unacceptable (borderline untenable for maintaining the species).

I get where you're coming from that someone who is never going to have a kid "loses" this benefit. However, this isn't something coming out of someone's salary, like employee's share of health insurance, etc. It's supplemental, when needed, in order to make sure people aren't having to choose solely between having a family and getting paid. It's a human respect issue, not using it doesn't mean you're respected less. It's not like the childless are sitting around saying "Man, Lucy's got it so lucky since she can just have babies and get like half her pay over 12 weeks while staying home. How come I can't have that mini-semi-paid vacation too??" Yeah...AND she's got a baby to take care of until it moves out of the house.

So, I don't see it in the same light as "why can't I get extra pay to forgo benefit X?". It's purely a zeroing-out supplement so there's no actual penalty to choosing childbirth while trying to hold a job. If you're an employee that doesn't choose childbirth, you'll never have to experience that penalty.

I agree that there are times when unions aren't always as willing to shoulder the same onus. I also hate that public unions are a necessity (private unions should be imperative for everyone). *We* are the boss and *we* are the employees in these situations. You'd think *we* wouldn't screw ourselves...but we do (see: No Child Left Behind metrics).

Unfortunately in the same way politicians never lost an election by being too tough on crime, no union boss every lost an election by being too tough on the bosses.

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But in this case, what you'd be getting isn't compensation rather than money. It's money you wouldn't get otherwise

How would that work? The market supports a compensation package worth $X. So you're going to get a cash salary of $X minus the value of all the non-cash compensation you get. Mandating an additional form of non-cash compensation doesn't magically make money appear out of nowhere; it's either coming out of the employee, the business owner, or the customer.

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If you don't have a baby that year, you get 52 * X where X is your weekly pay.

If you had a baby before, you used to get 40 * X and 12 weeks without any pay.

Now, if you have a baby, you get 44.5 * X and 6 weeks without any pay.

That is still less than the 52 * X they were planning to pay you in lieu of you having a baby. They don't base your compensation on the likelihood of you having babies every year or anything. Maybe some super guru has them planning actuarial likelihoods based on your age and marital status and things, but most employers plan to pay you 52 * X in a year and get the pleasant savings surprise of you handing back in weeks of salary by having a baby.

The money is coming from the pay they suddenly didn't have to pay you because you disappeared for 3 months.

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If you don't have a baby that year, you get 52 * X where X is your weekly pay.

If you don't have a baby that year, the company pays out 52 * X

If you had a baby before, you used to get 40 * X and 12 weeks without any pay.

If you had a baby before, the company pays you 40 * X and it pays someone else 12 * X to do your job while you're out, meaning that the company still pays out 52 * X. (Or, alternatively, it simply does without, meaning that, assuming your labor is worth at least as much as they're paying for it, the company pays you 40 * X, and it loses 12 * X in value that you didn't create for them, meaning that the company is still out 52 * X

Now, if you have a baby, you get 44.5 * X and 6 weeks without any pay.

Now, if you have a baby, the company pays you 44.5 * X, and it pays your temporary replacement 12 * X ( or loses 12 * X in value by not doing the work) meaning that the company is out 56.5 * X

So, under the new scheme, the company needs to come up with another 4.5*X. As I asked before, where does that money come from?

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Some companies will go with reduced value because they undervalue your work already. Other companies will need to hire a temp at a premium. Still others will use current staff a t time and a half costing 18* X for the same 12 weeks you are out. Even others will use a staff member who costs less than you to cover your job, at 12 * Y where Y is half of X...

You are talking about less than 8% of a single employee's salary. With what? 5% of your workforce pregnant in a given year? 10%? So, less than a 1% increase in salary to deal with? Disability, leaves of absence, unexpected resignations...all have a far greater unpredicted impact on salary than what you think the city is going to need to come up with to satisfy this new law.

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If a fellow coworker has a leave of absence, be it for a new baby or other medical leave or whatever, their duties get split among the rest of us.

So the original calculation of 40*X being less than 52*X is still right, because I am not paid any more for helping the coworker out.

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No organized labor was pushing for this. Most of the employees covered by this do not have a contract. For me, its the equivalent of when the Commonwealth or feds raise the minimum wage. For that matter, we just passed a law mandating paid sick leave for businesses employing over a certain number of employees (too lazy to look it up.) Employers cannot us that as a bargaining chip per se, though in could retard wage growth in the long term.

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SEIU Local 888 has sought to extend the new paid family leave benefit to all of the city's employees. In a letter hand delivered to Director of Labor Relations Paul Curran on April 24, 2015, union leaders applauded the new policy and asserted that, "with regard to parental leave, our contract with the city simply indicates that the parties will follow whatever the city policy is" and "should apply immediately to all of our members…consistent with the language and intent of our contract."

The letter stated that if the city disagreed with that interpretation, "then we respectfully request to meet immediately to execute a Memorandum of Understanding" so that "paid parental leave can be implemented for the members of SEIU Local 888 upon its passage by the City Council."

Local 888 has received no response regarding its interpretation of the contract or the union's request for immediate negotiations with the city to include union members in the new family leave policy.

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I'm in a city union (prefer not to say which) and I'm going out on maternity leave in one month. So I'll get none of this benefit. It's ridiculous.

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