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Councilor: Time to raise parking fines around Fenway Park

With parking-lot fees around Fenway Park continuing to rise, out-of-towners increasingly see a $40 fine for parking in resident-only spots in the Fenway as a bargain.

City Councilor Josh Zakim (Fenway, Mission Hill, Back Bay, Beacon Hill) wants to put a stop to that - by increasing the fine for parking in a resident-only space on the streets around the ballpark to $100.

Zakim said it's unfair that Fenway residents with parking permits have to compete for spaces with out of towners in for a game.

The council agreed today to send Zakim's idea to a committee for a hearing.

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Unfair? How much are residents paying?

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It's more that you can pay over $40 to park in many of the lots around there, so people would rather take the ticket than leave room for the residents.

And while most of the residents are students, anyone who has a parking permit for their neighborhood shouldn't have to fight out of towners for their spots. They already have to fight each other :-p

Plus, you know, space savers!

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How much are residents paying?

shouldn't have to fight out of towners for their spots.

-whoosh-

(Edited: I stupidly enclosed the "whoosh" above in brackets, so nobody could see how hilariously clever I am.)

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Just like me having to pay for that dump of a school system BPS. Just like people who drive and purchase gas are helping to fund the T.

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Give it up! Seriously... find a new cause to be enraged about.

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is how is it unfair since residents don't pay anything for their spots? I for one, pay an excise tax to the city of Boston every year, which out of towners do not (but may pay to their own city/town). And I don't go parking in resident spots in other cities either.

Resident parking is part of living a major city, deal with it. As far as I'm concerned, it should be 0 tolerance towing for parking in a resident spot during an event.

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I do live in the City, but do not live in the Fenway, so, even though I'm an excise-paying resident of Boston I would still get a (deserved) ticket if I parked in a Fenway resident only space. Those are the rules that we all have to abide by*. Don't like them, change them.

*the above does not apply to certain Medford residents who visit Boston.

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The random availability of parking spots was why I didn't have a car until I had a place to put it off street. Particularly when I had to commute home from my summer job in the evenings, when there were no spaces due to the Red Sox games.

The Red Sox parking can get pretty strange sometimes. Once the Sox started winning, it became a tow-fest on game days. People would block hydrants, crosswalks, intersections ...

It got particularly crazy during championships. People were knocking on doors trying to get deals on private parking, and many of the MIT Independent/Frat living groups found ways to oblige them by moving student vehicles elsewhere and charging what seemed like exorbitant rates for cramming in the back lots. It was amazing what people from NYC would pay to be close by. If nobody was there to conduct business or wave people off, people would just park in your driveway without permission and leave. It was crazy.

Of course, this could now be handled with an app ... but these are the issues that people who live in the area have to contend with during baseball season and I can see why they would be fed up.

Now, at those times I actually drive to work in Boston, I park in the "mud lots" at private prices or a four hour meter. Then I get to see the "work space savers" get in arguments with the people who actually live in Fort Point.

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citation please.

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Just first hand experience, dear, presented as exactly that.

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Similar to this. People take every space, including private ones.

Read it.

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I'd love to. Read it where?

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As my name implies, I don't either. But my GF does, and the 3 visitor spots near her are ALWAYS taken. It's annoying, but fair. The same system (theoretically) keeps people from parking in my neighborhood and jumping on a plane to avoid airport parking fees. The system giveth, and the system taketh.

I do wish Boston would build a better visitor parking system, something like Somerville's for instance, but it's tough in some neighborhoods where spots are already limited.

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...as a mostly non-driver-- what is Somerville's system?

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Allows any resident to buy a 2-day pass for $10/yr or 3-day for $40/yr. It's a paper permit wth the address of the owner listed and I'm not 100% sure how it's enforced, but I'd assume parking enforcement notes the date and plate when seen and then checks on subsequent days, or maybe a database for previous days.

Residents that already have one of these can buy an extended stay guest permit at $25 for 3-7 days or $35 for a 30 day, and I believe those are one-shot deals.

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... even before they made the whole city permit-only.

The parking patrol is separate from the crime patrol (though they talk to each other); it's job is to look for your window sticker and if none, look for your permit. You need to park within a few blocks of the listed residence, or you'll get ticketed AND a notice will be mailed to the person on the misused permit address. I don't know if there's a ticket to the permit owner (didn't used to be), but you can lose the privilege of buying permits.

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I really love the Somerville visitor permit system. It ensures that people who are visitors actually are visiting someone in the neighborhood, unlike Boston where anyone can park in a visitor spot, including people who are just shopping, going to a Red Sox game, etc. And it means that if I have a visitor, they don't have to try to find particular spaces just for them. They can park on the closest open space near my place and just put the visitor permit on their dashboard.

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while most of the residents are students

Data?

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Walk around Kenmore Square. Derp.

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Census has Fenway/Kenmore as 1/3 students, 1/3 young professionals, 1/3 retirees

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Well, first, Kenmore Square != the Fenway. The distinction may not mean anything to you as someone who doesn't live there, but it's rather like "Allston/Brighton", a meaningless amalgamation. They're physically separated by the Mass Pike, Fenway Park and the urban mall that Boylston Street has become; they're not one contiguous neighborhood. Next, walking around Kenmore Square will give you a widely varying impression of who "lives" there, depending on when you do your walking around and how blind you are to minor influencing factors like that loud building just up the hill. And then there's the fact that the Fenway is quite different from Kenmore Square. So, if you are going on superficial impressions rather than data, ok, but I think you're wrong. Derp.

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Both Allston and Brighton span the Pike in different places.

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While Allston and Brighton both span the pike, all of Allston is not separated from all of Brighton by the Mass Pike. Places where Allston is physically separated from Brighton by a barrier are by far the exception, not the rule. This is not true of "Fenway/Kenmore".

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My correction was to this part:

...but it's rather like "Allston/Brighton", a meaningless amalgamation. They're physically separated by the Mass Pike, Fenway Park and the urban mall that Boylston Street has become; they're not one contiguous neighborhood.

Too many loose "they're"s. It appears when reading that you are saying Allston and Brighton are physically separated by the Mass Pike. That was my first read of it.

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Residents are paying real estate taxes, either directly, as an owner, or indirectly as a renter.

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How would you like someone from out of town parking in the driveway in front of your house which is normally shared with neighbors only? This is essentially what is happening in the Fenway. Residents come home from work and can't park in their neighborhood because suburbanites too cheap to pay for event parking have taken all the spots to go to the game.

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Residents pay $0 for parking stickers which is ridiculous. Raise the price and it'll be easier to find a spot. Non drivers like myself shouldn't have our tax dollars going towards land for others to park their SUVs.

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Say they charge $100/year for a parking permit.

In all reality the mid/upper income people won't change their behavior and the fee will really only hit the working poor in the city who can barely afford their cars as it is. Additionally, these same folks are often the ones who work weird hours and can't utilize our lovely transit system that shuts down at midnight.

Don't make it harder for people to drive - make it easier for them to take public transit.

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Fenway residents don't vandalize cars without resident stickers during Sox games? Why wouldn't you smash the mirrors off?

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Is it "Because you're not an infantile shithead"? Do I win?

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I mean, no means no, right? Heck, a sign is even more clear than an unwritten space saver practice, right?

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Fenway residents are civilized enough to notify BTD which unfortunately doesn't do much half the time and almost never on Sundays.

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Who will? Is a resident to wish an illegally parked car away? Wish in one hand and (expletive) in the other.

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In most cities that have resident parking, nonresidents can pay a meter to park on residential blocks.

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I live in a neighborhood of about 10,000 people, about 4,000 parking permits, and somewhere around 1,000 street spaces. (My numbers may be out of date, but they're in the right ballpark.)

At one end of my neighborhood is MGH, a facility with about 8,000 commuting employees and about 2600 outpatient visits per day. . At the other end is the State House and associated state office buildings, with about another 8,000 commuting employees. That's around 19,000 daily arrivals in the neighborhood, from those two sites alone. The number of on street spaces in the neighborhood is less than 5% of the number of people coming to the neighborhood's two largest employers on a typical day. There are, of course, many other businesses and institutions in the neighborhood as well.

All the resident permit parking system does, is give the people who live in the neighborhood at least a chance of finding an on-street space. If you put meters on the residential streets and allowed commuters to park there, there would basically be no chance of a resident finding a space.

Is it fair to give the residents first crack at the spaces? You could easily argue that one either way. Is it good policy? If you're interested in keeping a mix of residential and commercial uses downtown, which most people seem to think keeps a downtown healthy and thriving, then it's good policy, since, without it, the challenge of living downtown would go way up.

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Where do the other 3,000 cars go? Heck, where did all the cars who park on Warren St on weeknights go on Monday night during the parking ban?

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Where do the other 3,000 cars go?

Some of the cars are out of the neighborhood, because people drive to work or travel out of town.. Some people own or lease off-street parking spaces. The rest go to the garage under Boston Common, or to the MGH garage.

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That somebody who lives in Brighton leaves their car in a garage for two weeks while we wait for Warren St. to get cleared?

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Say SoBo Yuppie has his two garage spaces in his condo.

Say Creepers has a three car driveway.

Both of them can get stickers to use when they have guests, want to have five cars, or for driving to the store in their neighborhood or other car use.

A fair number of SoBo Townies and Yuppies are known to drive a few miles from their homes and condos with driveways or parking spaces to Fort Point, where they take up resident spaces during the day (and, sometimes, space save them).

That's why there is more regulation needed.

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I think some go to Florida. In the summer it is easier to park as a lot more go to the cape or Maine, or if they are students they go home.

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Basically, you are saying that the residents of the Beacon Hill are entitled to resident parking just because they live there?

Of course, I agree with you, and something does need to be done about the imbalance of permits to spaces.

And tow the resident parking scofflaws if the Fenway on game days. Nothing says "don't do that" than a postgame trip to Frontage Road.

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If nonresidents are expected to use off-street parking or public transit, then the same can be expected of residents.

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This is a good point. I recently moved to this neighborhood not realizing how congested it was or that there's a baseball stadium that draws over 40,000 people to the area around 81 times a year. Me, my wife and my kids often don't have room for our four cars. Something must be done because I want, nay, DEMAND the attraction of downtown living AND the convenience of abundant, free suburban parking.

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You have misplaced snark. The issue is people without permits parking in resident-only spaces and not caring if they get fined because the amount is lower than many area lots. This isn't about entitled residents demanding more than they should expect to have. It's about better enforcement of the limited parking spots for residents and not baseball fans, otherwise the entire premise of the resident parking system is pointless. Whether or not it makes sense to charge residents for those resident-only permits is separate from this specific issue here.

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gives preference to one group of people (residents) over others (the general public) for the purpose of using a PUBLIC space (on-street parking). That is the very definition of an entitlement program.

Want to properly solve the problem - provide either a) facilities for people to use in lieu of parking on the PUBLIC street or b) provide alternatives for those people to use - such as Green Line improvements.

Raising the fines is just a revenue grab in disguise.

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THE STATE JUST BUILT A BRAND SPANKING NEW COMMUTER RAIL STATION NEXT TO THE BALLPARK AND QUADRUPLED THE NUMBER OF TRAINS STOPPING THERE!

There are plenty of pay garages and lots for event parking. The cheapskate suburban fans just don't feel like paying for it.

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...for parking on their own streets?

Think about what you just said for a second. Have you never heard of town beaches on Cape Cod? Or other town resources out in the leafy suburbs -- ball fields, swimming areas, etc. -- where residents can park but non-residents can't? Or where they allow non-residents to park in a limited number of spaces, but charge a hefty price for the privilege?

It's a fact of life in many places, and this is no exception. Suburbanites coming to town for their once-a-year Red Sox game should expect to make some extra effort and pay some extra expense to go to the ballpark. They should not expect to cruise into the neighborhood and park like they lived there. If the cost of parking nudges the price of a night at the ballpark beyond what they can afford, well, that's just a pity, isn't it? But I don't see people getting into a self-righteous snit about the town of Wellfleet restricting parking at their town beaches, or bellowing about how dare the town of Truro charge non-residents for parking at Corn Hill Beach, goddamnit how's a working man supposed to take his family to the beach et cetera. As a non-resident, you're perfectly welcome to use the beach. Take a shuttle bus, get a friend to drop you off, ride your bicycle. And you can take public transit, get a friend to drop you off, or ride your bicycle to Fenway Park. But no, as a non-resident you are not entitled to park in residential parking. Not now or ever.

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You live downtown and expect to be able to park 4 cars?

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Fenway has the lowest rate of car ownership in the city! But thanks for trolling...jerk!

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Aren't many of the permit parking streets around Fenway towing enforced? I know they're pretty quick with the two trucks, even on Sundays with no Sox games.

$100 all the time is just going to screw over a few delivery drivers and such, and the meter maids will abuse it by handing out expensive tickets in the baseball off-season.

If anything, do what some other cities do and mark certain areas as "double fine zones" - ie Newbury Street on weekends, Fenway & Kenmore on Sox days. They already have Brighton plastered with signs about BU football games, which I'm sure 2/3 of the residents of Brighton have no idea when those are.

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...are never.

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And I can almost never find a place to park my plymouth laser when I head over to Kenmore to catch a show at the Rathskeller.

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Zakim is doing some good work lately. He's right on this one.

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Fine for non-residents parking in resident only spaces should be $100 everywhere in the city, as well as for parking in bus stops. But the kicker is it should be enforced, even for police who hang their ticket books on the dash when they go to a game.

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$100 for a minor infraction? If that doesn't seem extreme to you, then you're probably making too much money. That's a day's pay or more for many people. Parking tickets are meant to be an inconvenience, not a back-breaker.

Maybe you haven't kept up on all the recent articles that talk about nickel and diming the poor so badly that they wind up getting arrested and having a criminal record over parking tickets or inspection stickers.

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...can you explain a need for a non-resident to park in a resident parking space that fits with your woeful narrative?

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People make simple mistakes and overlook things. Not everyone who parks in a permit-only spot is some diabolical college student or Sox fan. Signs go missing, get obscured, get mis-interpreted. Not to mention all of the extremely temporary visitors to a neighborhood, like delivery drivers. I got a ticket once for parking for 3 minutes while I made sure somebody got into their apartment safely after a long trip.

It's asinine that unlimited permits are free. It's asinine that there's no grace period of 10 minutes, 30 minutes or whatever for someone dropping something off or checking on a resident. It's asinine that there's no limited-use guest permits issued to people like there are in Somerville and Cambridge.

I'd sure hate to live in your utopia, where the smallest oversight can result in a crippling fine.

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It's asinine that there's no limited-use guest permits issued to people like there are in Somerville and Cambridge

Since there are not enough spaces for the residents (by a ratio of something like 4 to 5 permitted vehicles per on-street space, through our government, which we elect, we have decided that issuing guest permits isn't something we want to do. The people in Somerville and Cambridge, perhaps with a different set of numbers or a different set of usage patterns, have made a different choice. Our choice is by no means "asinine," it's a perfectly reasonable decision in the face of an extremely scarce resource.

With real estate in the crowded neighborhoods selling for $1,000 per square foot, I am not very optimistic that charging $25, $75, or $250 per year per permit is really going to reduce the number out there by more than a few percentage points. It's nearly impossible to price them high enough to discourage excessive use, without screwing people who are, say, earning a middle class income, living in subsidized housing and barely getting by.

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I'd sure hate to live in your utopia, where the smallest oversight can result in a crippling fine.

Hahahaha, this really makes me laugh. In my "utopia", as you call it (and I do not think that word means what you think it means), I've made mistakes and I've paid the price. I once failed to note that I was parking my car on an emergency snow artery the night before a major snowstorm. My mistake, and I paid for it. I really wish I'd had you along that day to flail your Muppet arms and rant about how it was a "simple mistake" and I shouldn't be levied with a "crippling fine" plus towing and storage charges. I'm sure it would have made a big impression and been highly effective.

Alas, you weren't with me on that day, and so what I did was put on my big kid pants and deal with the consequences of my mistake. I suggest you learn to do the same. Little kiddies rant about "fairness" in situations where they made a mistake and were penalized. Grownups realize that "fairness" applies to situations where the rules aren't fairly applied. If you can point to a situation where you weren't parked illegally and you got dinged for it, then you can complain about how unfair it all is.

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There are parts of Boston, Cambridge, and Somerville that are not near public transit, and have no off-street paid parking. If on-street parking is all limited to resident permits, maybe with a few 2-hour meters a few blocks away or maybe no short-term nonresident parking at all, how are people supposed to get there?

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If you want to talk extreme, what say you about the $170+ it costs when you get towed for street cleaning? Adding insult to injury, you still have to trek out to far reaches of the city to retrieve your car. Hell, for $170 the city could buy a brand new leafblower (or half a Roomba) to clean out the dirt and trash under your car instead of towing it.

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How about people be responsible adults and not park where and when it is clearly posted not to?

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For street cleaning, it's not that adults are willfully parking where they're not supposed to. People park legally, but then forget to move their car days later when they're supposed to.

But the real problem here is not about responsibility. When you get towed, of course it's (usually) your fault. The problem is that towing is horribly inefficient. Of the $$$ and hours of aggravation lost by the person getting towed, the city only gets $$. The remaining $$$ difference doesn't fairly balance out the value of sweeping debris from 100 square feet of asphalt. Most of that $$$ just goes to waste.

Both the city and drivers would be better off raising the cost of the ticket by 20 bucks, ending enforcement by towing, and using the extra money to clean under cars with brooms and blowers.

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No, I just don't park in other neighborhoods resident spots. Why are the people who make $100 a day parking in resident spots? I think most people who make $100 a day in Boston cant afford a car.

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Any map/list of Boston/Cambridge neighborhoods Unregulated Parking Spaces that when available are UnMetered, NoSticker needed, NoCard needed?...

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I'll never divulge the ones I know of. I'm sure others hold their secret spots dearly, as well.

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If you park in a resident space on the streets that are controlled by the DCR - The Fenway, for example - you are towed. Even if there is not a game, you are towed

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and supposedly they don't look very hard for those stickers - I've heard of them towing people away who had valid stickers. Police won't do anything either, even though it's theft.

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DCR only controls the Fenway and Park Drive.

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Zakim is looking out for his constituents. This is AWESOME. Good luck to him and the Fenway residents on getting some relief from the illegally parking out-of-towners.

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Or all days? If all days, then why does Fenway get better protection for this than the rest of the city? Frequency doesn't matter the one time you need a space and there's a non-resident parked in front of your house.

Making a billion different new zones and timing that alter the fine schedule (what about resident spaces in Back Bay on Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings? That's all year, not just during baseball season) isn't the right answer for this.

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why does Fenway get better protection for this than the rest of the city?

Not many other neighborhoods are flooded with ~40k suburbanites for special events which just have to park their as cheaply as possible because they are used to free parking.

The fine should be doubled to $200 for all the livery vehicles which block the #55 bus stops, hydrants, crosswalks, and take up multiple resident spaces too. Those guys get paid to park in commercial lots and pocket that money by illegally parking on the street half the time.

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Fines are increased for parking violations on game days in several neighborhoods that surround Wrigley Field in Chicago. The same should be true for Fenway.

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Evidently it is 39,997 suburbanites, since my three regular tickets are for city dwellers. And only 81 days of the year. As shown, there are more days when Back Bay is slammed, or the Garden for Celtics and Bruins games, or the North End, or anywhere near Fanuiel Hall all summer...

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Have to put up with all the people who go to Bruins and Celtics games. And I think there might be less than a 100 permitted West End spaces. Although the West End is all relatively new development and they should have spaces for enough people.

Heck everyone thinks there local when they go to the North End and should be able to park just right here for dinner.

Anyway, Fenway isn't alone.

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...if you live in the North End (do you?), get your city councilor to do something about it. Why are you moaning?

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Not sure if this is still true, but I think that the city tows during BC football games.

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By raising parking fines on the street, more baseball fans are pressured to pay ever more excessive parking rates. So, his proposal may not be foremost for the residents.

Perhaps some more parking garages instead of luxury condos would put a damper on some of the most expensive parking in the country.

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more baseball fans are pressured to pay ever more excessive parking rates

Nobody is being pressured to pay for anything here. I'm not pressured to pay higher and higher parking rates in the mudlots because of a building boom in the Innundation District - I pay the market rate because that is the market rate. If I don't like it? Lots of alternatives.

Ditto for the Kenmore Square area. You aren't owed any parking, let alone cheap parking.

Like I used to tell my Grandma - don't like taxes on cigarettes? Don't pay them - don't smoke!

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Because the city realizes that parking is not a productive use of valuable urban land. What's better for the city? Parking, which brings in some revenue, but mainly brings in more cars and more traffic? Or housing, which bring in more residents, who pay property taxes, shop at local stores, restaurants, likely work in the city and probably don't need to drive to work (thereby reducing traffic if they had been driving in from the suburbs previously). People who would have driven into the city and utilized the new parking still have many ways to get into the city (and still can choose to drive if they're willing to pay the current parking prices). It's a win-win for everyone to build housing instead of parking.

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If the city is hostile to visitors, many of whom may be elderly or disabled, the solution is to move jobs, and venues outside the city where land is less expensive and more accessible by transit modes favored by customers.

That's how 128 and then 495 tech employment corridors, shopping malls, and entertainment venue.grew. Urban exodus can happen again. Just keep it up!

Is that better for the city? Being hostile and forcing business and residents elsewhere?

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How so?

Oh, you are your car, I forget. Not providing infinite free parking in a convenient place means hating people.

Right.

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We're talking about people who can afford Fenway prices too cheap to pay for parking. You don't think the Braves are going to give parking away for free at their new suburban stadium, do you?

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more baseball fans are pressured to pay ever more excessive parking rates

As the rates increase, more baseball fans will take the T or car pool or park farther away and walk.

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Do it all over town - make the fine more of a prohibitive cost and ENFORCE IT. I live in the South End and consistently see people without resident stickers including a number of out of state plates parked in resident areas. Parking enforcement in my neighborhood is so lax that some people even leave their cars in the middle of the street over night without consequence. The only time I ever see real enforcement is at 8:01 on a street cleaning day.

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During game days, you pay $10 an hour for the meter (or $2 for the 1st hour and $10 for each additional hour or something like that). Residents still get their resident spots. And yes, increase the fine to $100 for non residents parking in resident spots. How is that not fair?

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