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Donald Trump's huge Boston fans, the hugest
By adamg on Thu, 08/20/2015 - 9:17am
The Globe reports the two Leader brothers allegedly cited Donald Trump's remarks on immigrants to justify beating and urinating on a homeless man early yesterday.
Trump said he hadn't heard of the incident but said his backers are very "passionate."
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Yes, one could say that some of his backers
really put the "ass" back in "passionate".
When a Clinton voter shoots
When a Clinton voter shoots someone in Dorchester or Roxbury you get a 3 sentence post with a couple of comments and no pictures of the suspect. Now when we get two Trump supporters beating up someone we see double posts, close to two hundred comments and the mug shots. I wonder which way this site and and it's commenters lean? A little biased are we here on the People's Republic of Uhub.
Aw ..
Frothing doesn't become you. Here, have a napkin.
Your attempt at a witty
Your attempt at a witty response to my comment only goes to prove my point. How about you try to actually answer like an adult.
Oh, you want an adult answer to a lame insult?
I'm not sure how exactly I start to answer somebody who is every bit as biased as he claims I and other people on this site are ("Clinton voters?" Really?), but I'll try.
This story was big news even before I read about the Trump angles (both their original alleged comment to police and his response to the incident). You have two alleged drunken goons who, on seeing a homeless person - a sleeping homeless person - not only beat him up, but urinate on him as well, on their way home to mommy's BHA apartment (or should I say soon to be former apartment, since the Globe reports today the BHA is moving to evict her since the bros weren't supposed to be living there).
If you are so devoid of human feeling to not find what they are charged with particularly reprehensible and so not worthy of coverage, yes, maybe this is not the site for you. Most of the comments on the original post were about this angle, not the Trump thing, which only made the story noteworthy enough to warrant (in my opinion, but, hey, my site) a second post.
I do do followups on murders and other serious crimes in Boston. You probably know how to Google things or use the search box on the site, so you could, as they say, look it up. I wish I could do more (the Globe story the other day on the murder victims was sadly unusual for them), but there are limits to being what is essentially a one-person newsroom.
And, yes, I'm what in the old days would have been called a liberal. I will admit I had certain thoughts when I learned these two guys are white and their alleged victim a minority, because for a couple years now, I've been fending off a never ending stream of attempted racist comments here about "those people" and "when is the black community going to do something" and, actually far worse stuff and now we see what it's like when the table is turned (note to frothers even now pounding their keyboards: The software I use makes it really easy to delete comments before they're posted. Go ahead, knock yourselves out).
Don't like it? Again, there are other sites out there you might find more enjoyable. At this point in my life and the life of this site, I just don't care.
Which leads to this question:
Why did you even let this guy's screwed up comment through in the first place? Not like he's bothered to use a registered log-in or anything.
Point? What point?
"prove(d) my point" so often equals "I got nothin'"
Nice cherry picking of words.
You leave out the fact that comment came right after he denounced the attack calling it shameful.
“I think that would be a shame.”
Weak tea
I still wouldn't call that a ringing condemnation of the beating, would you?
Definitely not. Trump only
Definitely not. Trump only has strong condemnations for minorities. Like when he took out a full page newspaper ad to say 5 black teenagers should be executed. Of course they were innocent but when did Trump ever let facts dictate his opinion?
if he wins
he'll surely declare facts unconstitutional.
IF HE WINS
MY BLACK ASS IS GOING TO CANADA!!!
Don't worry.
Hillary goes down, picks out a nice orange pantsuit.
Biden for president, with Warren as his running mate. Obaba's been very quiet lately on the email server indiscretion...
On the other side, Trump/Cruz or, better to actually beat Crazy Joe...Carly Fiorina and anybody. I don't expect the repubs to NOT shoot themselves in the foot, though.
I think the Dems are really afraid of Carly. She answers questions, but if nominated, since she's a Republican, the press will give her the same in depth vetting they gave Obama.
Just kidding, they will go after her like a pack of cornered rats, and she'll win anyway.
Snarkygrrl? I'll check back later for your insightful comments.
Fiorina
Widely considered (by business school experts even) to be a contender for "worst CEO ever of a major American corporation". Good pick.
Not to mention...
At least in my experience, everything HP has produced in the last ten or so years is absolute garbage, from the lemon PC I use at work (doesn't start every time I try to start it, meaning I have to unplug and plug it back in -others in my office have reported the same), to the ink-sucking-sometimes-connecting-sometimes-not-connecting-to-my-home-laptop HP printer (with web remote print option that has never worked) I have at home. HP is too associated with crap for me to ever consider purchasing any of their products again. It is a seriously damaged brand.
Consumer
Their consumer line sucks. I just switched from Dell to HP at my work because the business machines were very well made. (Better than Dell's offerings currently)
I also bought a Z Workstation for my house (a business grade workstation) and I love it.
Buy one of their business products, far better than their consumer line. (Dell is the same way, inspiron is crap, get latitude or precision )
Agreed
I have many many many many tech friends who were employees of HP and Compaq who are now unemployed.
I'll let them tell you how wonderful she is..
Regardless, she doesn't have enough steam, she's polling pretty badly as is.
I'll pass
I'll just let your little Bizarroland travelogue speak for itself.
Yes.
But, Hillary's doomed. Felonies. As ye sow...
Remember that Indiana paper plant that Mitt killed?
Bain did what Bain does, and ripped the shit out of an Indiana paper plant in order to enrich itself.
Ted Kennedy's campaign brought those workers to Massachusetts, and set them off on a bus tour that cratered Romney's campaign.
Fiorina has the same problem with her HP story, sprinkled with liberal and frequent use of H1B wage slaves replacing American workers. She's going to get killed with that story.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
No, we're not.
Fiorina will win?
Yeah, like that time she mopped the floor with Barbara Boxer. Remember that? But let's at least be thankful for her demon-sheep ad:
Great ad.
No, c'mon...the libs are running scared. She's a female. My HP stuff is running just fine...
Grabbing a bowl of popcorn for this one...
No, it would not be a "shame"
No, it would not be a "shame", it's utterly reprehensible. However, he basically pulled a "it would be a shame, but my followers are quite passionate!" If you ever need help finding the meaning of the sentence, sometimes it helps to discount what comes before the "but", and in this case, words that came out of an ass.
You think Trump gives two shits about a homeless immigrant?
note, however..
his phrasing:
"I think that would be a shame", but did not say something like "that was deplorable" or "this is unacceptable" or "I regret that my rhetoric is responsible for this reprehensible, troglodyte behavior"
he doesn't actually acknowledge this incident, which did in fact occur. he hedges and speaks in future conditional hypotheticals.
And one can call that
a non-apology apology.
"would be a shame"?
Why the conditional tense, then? As if he doubts that it happened?
*smh*
just *smh*
Maybe they will be invited to Norwood to Ernie's little party for Trump
When's the party?
Because the boys are going to be tied up until at least Sept. 3, and possibly a tad longer.
Maybe
Maybe Ernie can pull a few strings.. :)
To the surprise of no one.
I wonder how many more of Trumps Chumps will be out there doing Masters work?
He really is our Beppo Grillo, only dumber.
The maestro himself finally seems to be slipping out of the top of the news cycle. And he is starting to flail.
What a fabulous job, though. He has all but assured that the GOP is radioactive when it comes to the latino and immigrant vote.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/trump-battles-anchor-babies...
And he's probably helped tp mak the GOP toxic to women. A piece circulated over the weekend ended up describing his scheme to make Princess Diana his 'trophy wife' as if she or the house of Spencer would ever go along with that shit.
But this is the most valuable item I found.
http://www.alternet.org/21-questions-donald-trump
The reporter has been sifting through Trump's ridiculous bullshit for 27 years.
Here's a few topical tunes to wash down the ugliness.
Rich Man. https://youtu.be/VmktI6fVCX0
And this goes out to the Leader duo: https://youtu.be/rPEESN8flA8
Los Illegals have the perfect riposte from the immigrant side. https://youtu.be/-hlXUH57hzs
He's having a gas!
He's getting all sorts of press, and he obviously subscribes to the "all press is good press," school.
He doesn't seem to care if people like him -- so long as they are paying attention to him.
He's providing loads of help to his friends the Clintons.
And he's obviously enjoying every minute of it.
What's not to like?
Him inspiring people to
Him inspiring people to brutally beat minorities? Can't say I like that.
Nature vs. Nurture
Prior to the beating, the Leader Brothers were volunteers at the local shelter handing out meals to the immigrant homeless. They were guest speakers at AA meetings and inspired the youth of Southie by donating their time and energy to the Big Brothers organization. They were proponents of immigrants having babies in the US so the parents can stay in this country.......................Then they heard the words of Donald Trump and look what happened!
snark-failure
Valid point - one of them already had a hate crime on his record and they were both big winners. Obviously disturbed, violent individuals who would probably beat the shit out of someone (weaker than them, under the most optimal - for them - conditions only) eventually regardless of race, ethnicity or whatever.
But the point is that casually inciting and hate-spewing rhetoric of the like sputtering from the sphincter-lips of Donald the Clown provides ass-hats like these two brothers the sense that they can act on their lower brain-stem urges and people will back them because...fuckin Spics right? They are the classic text book case of the lowest of the low white socioeconomic class looking for someone to tell them that there is someone lower than you, baser than you, someone you can abuse and show that you're one of us. After 9-11 it was some Moroccan guy. After Trump's hate stirring ass-babblings it's a homeless Mexican. It would be great if these pathetic turds would look in the mirror and realize that THEY are the reason this country is going down hill. Go donate your organs.
Guess who, Bob?!
From our friends at Wikipedia:
"He became adept at using populist themes, including the use of scapegoats, who were blamed for his listeners' economic hardships."
Hint: No, it is not The Donald (but it sounds like him, don't it?) but another famous "populist" in history.
Pretty much any rabble-rousing populist
Could be Father Coughlin, or Glen Beck, or Mussolini, but in this case I believe you're referring to Hitler.
Bingo!
Interesting, huh? Not that I like comparing anyone current to the H-Man (he is a one man show all is own) but I find the strains of fascist thought in all that you mentioned, including The Donald, well, intriguing.
Did not someone say when fascism comes to America it will be with a smile?
This is Godwin. Over and out.
This is Godwin. Over and out...
(A blast from the past.)
Don't mix these folks up
At least Mussolini and Hitler had some sense of style and fashion. I think that got them special seating in hell.
Alternet?
Really?
Steve Lynch, attacker of six Iranian students, condemns Trump?
Only in Massachusetts could a Democrat Congressman, arrested in 1979 for a vicious attack on six Iranian-Americans, condemn a Presidential candidate who had nothing to do with a more recent attack committed by the Congressman's neighbors. Why the condemnation Steve, because your public housing dwelling constituents only beat one minority, not six? Maybe "Marky Mark" Wahlberg would like to make a statement also.
And how pathetic is the Boston media? Adam for omitting Trump's strong remarks against the attack in a weak attempt to make it appear that Trump approved of it, and the Boston Herald for either not knowing or being afraid to ask Lynch about his shameful past. I think an elementary school newspaper reporter would have asked Lynch the obvious, Et tu, Stevie?
the sound of crickets
n/t
What strong remarks against
What strong remarks against the attack are those? There are no "strong remarks" anywhere in the Globe article or the Herald article. The statement quoted makes it sound like Trump is proud of these guys:
"They love this country and they want this country to be great again. They are passionate.”
"It would be a shame"
Mr. Trump said it "would be a shame" if the attackers were inspired by him. The only thing he left out was if they were inspired by their own Democrat Congressman with an arrest history for hate crime.
Just as fascinating is the reportage that "Trump was probably unaware of the attack" as if there was even a slight possibility that Trump was in on the attack by the two public housing dwelling career criminals. Maybe they got through on his publicly announced cell phone number just prior to the attack and Trump signed off. Unsure what's better, Trump taking down the establishment or the media making further fools of themselves. Both groups complete frauds.
That's a "strong remark"? A
That's a "strong remark"? A shame is when you leave a gallon of ice cream out of the freezer, not a brutal physical assault. What would he have said if he were really upset, "Mistakes were made"?
Maybe he could have said, "What difference...does it make?"
Perhaps he could blame it on an "extremist video." What difference does it make?
Nice deflection but
Nice deflection but completely irrelevant. That's OK, nobody expected you not to be full of shit anyway.
It's like the old veiled mafia threat.
"That's a nice bunch of homeless immigrants you got there...."
"It sure would be a shame if anything were to happen to them"
Hey FISH...
What I'd like to know is how the hell he did $250 worth of damage to a cell door?
Aren't they, y'know, sorta made for that kind of shit?
And the sound of more crickets
n/t
Are you hearing things?
Maybe you should see a doctor.
I thought he was a thug before hearing of this
Without having any knowledge of the attack you are referencing, I thought he was a thug based on my (very limited) dealings with him when he was a state senator. I remember thinking to myself a couple of years later, "this guy is going to succeed Joe Moakley?!? Maybe the country really is going to hell."
For the record, I grew up hearing about Donald Trump and Leona Helmsley (who I mention together because they are/were both NYC real estate people, and notoriously mean) all the fricken time. My reaction now is similar: "this guy is leading the Republican race for President?!? Maybe the country really is going to hell."
They are really just desperate
They elected a whole slew of governors and congress people to fulfill their fact-free and reality averse moral universe.
Those people have produced gridlock, several hundred bills about uterus regulation, and massively bankrupt states like Wisconsin and Kansas. Those have become, as anyone with a sense of reality predicted, insolvent places where jobs are plummeting, tax revenue isn't magically growing because magic, universities are gutted for tax breaks for the super wealthy to build stadiums, and schools and services they actually use are being cut through the bone.
Of course, Trump will fix all that by trashing that nasty Constitution and Just Doing Shit! These failures just can't possibly be the result of morally and fiscally bankrupt philosophies! NO! If it isn't working like we were promised it would work, we just need to do it LOUDER!!!!
Patience.
It will get worse...
There's a homeless man in the hospital...
I don't imagine getting released from the hospital when you've been attacked and are homeless is all that awesome. Maybe donate a buck or two to help this guy out after he's released?
https://sites.google.com/site/donaldtrumpbeatingvictim/
Who knows, maybe we can even shame the Donald into parting with a tiny fraction of his billions to help the man beaten in his name.
oh the irony
The irony here is if in fact the man IS an undocumented immigrant, that they beat this man could result in tens of thousands of dollars of hospital costs being passed onto the taxpayers. Considering these lowlifes get thousands a year in housing subsidies, we are looking at an example of what is wrong with this country. And not the types that Trump is pointing fingers at. It's downtrodden whites who feel that immigrants are taking away what they believe should be theirs.
More so, it's people like Trump who grab the 99 slices of the pizza and point at one group fighting over that last slice, saying they're trying to steal the other guy's slice.
Globe Paywall
NECN citing the Globe article, "Court records show Scott Leader served a year in prison for a hate crime against a Moroccan coffee shop worker after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks."
Wow
So he has a past doing this.. classy guy.
It is all the fault of immigrants
I'm sure that's why he lives on the dole - if these immigrants weren't around, he wouldn't violently attack them.
/bigotlogic
Trump elucidates: Now says attack was "terrible"
He would never condone such a thing he says today.