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Shoveled in car in Jamaica Plain

OK, so a lot of people fantasize about shoveling in the car of somebody who's annoyed them, but as Joseph Porcelli shows us, somebody actually went through with it on Weld Hill Street in Jamaica Plain, leaving us to wonder why (hey, if you live near there, why not leave a note asking why?)

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With more snow coming, everyone has my permission to throw snow from your sidewalks onto any adjacent parked car.

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and that's giving children a bad rap

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This is sad and the opposite of what makes #BostonStrong. This is #BostonSad.

Is there a ton of snow? Yes. Are tempers flaring? Yes. Is it hard to park? Yes. Is this ok? No.

If the same amount of effort had been applied to digging out a new spot, then two cars would be parked.

Let's make this wrong right. Weather permitting, I plan to dig this car out at 11 am Sunday morning. Help would be appreciated. If you would like to help, show up, or leave a comment to let me know you'll join me at Snowcrew- https://snowcrew.org/issues/1488414

Joseph - Organizer of Snowcrew.org

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Snow crew: if you want to make a difference for alot of people, please consider digging out path on each side of the crosswalks on Centre Street, and handicapped ramps. You would help many more people in town by focussing energy there. Thank you for your kindness.

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Noted, thank you!

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...it's not an either/or thing. Why not both?

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Due to the current weather conditions, I am going to postpone shoveling out this car until 2pm.

Joseph

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Neighbors >> Bullies

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....but you're a peach regardless. Kudos to you.

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Ok folks, I got some information about what happened with this vehicle and am have proposed a solution to those involved. For the time being, I am going I'm leaving the ball in their court.

On to shoveling out others in need. Help me out by signing up at https://snowcrew.org/r/4AdmUA

Joseph

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Maybe it is their car and they live at the driveway behind it and have nowhere to put the snow so they started stacking it around their car that they aren't using right now.

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what I was thinking. It's possible! Unlikely but possible.

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[never mind]

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"Then I called the police."

and that helped how?

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"Hey you guys shouldn't do that. Just because that man took a 55 year old elder Asian woman's spot, told her off and said I'm taking the spot for the weekend, it might escalate if you do that."

SO I CALLED THE COPS

So dear moronic neighbor, the cops showed up didn't care, and agreed with our neighborly non-destructive retaliation. It seems the cops agreed with us that it's an unneighborly thing to do to call the cops on neighbors before you find out.

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So your douchery is less than that guy's which is greater than the spot-takers? What a bunch of douchebags.

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Someone took your spot. Tough, it's not yours, just shovel a new spot.

That's what they did. Does the fact that they put it into a previously shoveled space matter?

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Funny, you can delete your own post but you can't delete people's comments. I hope you read this message and understand you shouldn't breed... in this neighborhood

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It seems like everyone in JP has surrendered including the city.
For the first time ever, Jamaica Plain streets are not being plowed after each storm by the city of Boston. So shoveling out your car is pointless if the street hasn't been plowed. There has been alot of snow, but what happened to the city's excellent snow plowers? What has happened to the great system that we remember?

Sidewalks also challenging..no place for people to walk. Businesses on Centre Street are shoveling their sidewalks the width of one shoe, and handicapped ramps are not shoveled because the businessowners think its the city's responsibility and the city thinks its the businessowners responsibility. Citizens Connect is aware of the issue. Nothing is done.

Crosswalks all down Centre Street have large snowbanks on each side of them so you can't cross the street. We helped a blind man from walking up a snow bank last week. Is this the city's responsibility or propertyowners? Either way, the city should plow these sidewalks and fine owners.
for the service...especially on streets leading into the business districts or the orange line. And hopefully plow our streets and crosswalk paths to the sidewalks.

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is people walking the streets with snow shovels.

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The man who took this spot, whose car is now covered, took it away from an elderly woman, removed the space saver - abused her verbally. He does not live on this street, but on an adjacent street and informed her that he was taking the spot for the weekend, despite the fact that she and her daughter have shoveled that spot out continuously over the last 3 weeks of snowfall. She called her son at college in distress at the treatment she received. He came back home and with the help of some neighbors shoveled out a new spot for her. The snow from that spot is now covering the car that took her original spot.

I leave you to judge the treatment of an elderly woman and the actions of her outraged son.

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It doesn't matter how old you are. It does not matter if the spot is right in front of your house. And it does not matter if the person who took it does not live there. And it does not matter if you shoveled out the spot initially. You still can't save spaces with anything but a car.

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So verbally abusing and disrespecting the elderly woman that confronted the driver is okay?

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So everybody's either a good guy or a bad guy, is that the way you look at things? That's the kind of flawed thinking that leads to these stupid pointless unresolvable conflicts. Let's see, some guy parked his car in the spot that your elderly mother shoveled out, which is entirely within his legal right. Do you really think that the solution they chose is the only one, or the best one? How about just shoveling out another space and leaving it at that? Now the college boy has antagonized a guy who lives in the same neighborhood as his mom (although not on that street, OOOOOOOO). What's wrong with me that I see this as a stupid and pointless conflict in which nobody is likely to learn anything? He'd better hope the guy whose car he'd buried is less pointlessly reactive than he is.

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Yup. And I can return the spot to the condition it was before I shoveled it out.

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You must not be from here. There is a space savers practice allowed in Boston officially; the parker was in the wrong. A bit of snow to shovel out of seems fair considering he didn't do anything to clear a space for himself and isn't damaging.
http://www.wbur.org/2015/01/28/space-savers-boston

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You can only save a space 48 hours after a snow emergency is lifted. After that space saving is not allowed.

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The 48 hour statement is from a wishy washy Mayor who's trying to contradict the law in order to try to placate some of his constituents.

The law states no space saving ever ever ever. And a better mayor would ensure the city enforce that law in every neighborhood. And an even better mayor would just ban street parking outright, all year round. To note this is also an issue even in summer months. And this is also an issue anywhere a restaurant has valet parking. And it seems to be an issue in front of Herb Chambers.

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So where should people park?

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You clearly do not live in boston, and probably have never been here in your life. well, I've lived here my whole life and yes you can save a spot during snow storms. Mayor Walsh didn't just make that up, it has been a rule for any real Bostionian that has any sort of respect/morals for as long as I can remember, unrealistic state law or now. If I shovel 70+ inches of snow to get my car out, best believe I'm saving that spot for my car. He is actually very lucky the only thing that happened to his car is snow getting thrown on it, I'm almost surprised they didnt shovel snow straight on the man.. No, I have never in my whole life seen anyone try to use a space saver in the summer. The idea of no street parking in a major city is probably the stupidest idea I have ever heard in my life. Do you not grasp the idea of how many people live in this city that do not have access to off street parking? Because it's probably roughly %75 of Boston.

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More colloquial garbage...

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I swear, every time I see some sactimonious pisshead play the "you must not be from here" card, this is what I picture. What a stupid toothless local thing to say.

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If you live in Boston it's a mindset. It's a dog eat dog world and if I labor continuously to help my elderly mother with a hurt back to have a spot to park and she gets verbally disrespected, actions are going to be taken. Piling snow on the car forces the douchebag to shovel out the spot he was too lazy to do in the first place. Also snow melts! That's a hella of a lot better than the scum that bashed in all my buddy's car windows, took his license plates, and ripped off the side mirrors for taking another's spot. So just think about what you would do in the situation. This was a non violent reaction that leads to a just end. Get over your pompous morals Rueven cause you escalated things!

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Sounds like you don't own a car or shovel.

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Good for neighbors who respect the local tradition of "I shovel my spot. You shovel yours." It is only respect and consideration to not park in someone's shoveled spot. Shoveling is no easy task, especially this year. When one puts in that much time energy and effort to secure a spot, it should be their's. There are many people who have heart conditions, bad backs etc., who shouldn't be shoveling, but do. It is the fair thing to do. Ten to one, the arrogant ass who took the women's spot is probably a healthy young man who is LAZY, disrespectful, and cares for noone else. Thankfully, there are not too many of them around. The man deserves what he gets. Lend him a shovel when you see him.

The police cannot do anything to help someone in this case. Let's hope the weasels and self-righteous idiots who steal spots take up our neighborly Boston tradition in the very near future.
Z2QRC

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Elderly or 55? I'm confused.

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I had the same thought. I'm 50, I guess in five years I will be elderly.

I've been shoveling out my car every day. It's really not that much work, it's not easy but it has not taken me 8 hours as people have claimed recently. And, btw, I shoveled out the space behind mine so that cars could fit in more easlly (and not hit mine while backing in) only to have someone put a chair in the spot.

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She's elderly and has a college aged son?

It seems every person whose spot is 'stolen' is elderly or nine months pregnant or has some other handicap. Poor victims!

Frankly, the outrage is ridiculous. It's a public street. We are all doing our best here. If you are afraid you'll lose your spot, don't drive.

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First, she is reportedly 55 years old. Now, I don't consider that "elderly" but, yes, one could have a college age son at that age.

And, yes, it is a public street but if a person spends a good amount of time shoveling out a spot, I would not feel comfortable taking that spot. Why? Because that person spent a good amount of time shoveling out the spot, never mind including the space saver policy.

If you consider this attitude towards your fellow human beings your "best", I shudder to think what you consider your "worst".

Yes, we are all in this together so let us all rise to that occasion, shall we not?

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Now they should get out the hose and soak that pile of snow down so that it's a frozen block of ice until May.

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I don't have a car.

Ok, it's half unlucky, but it also means:
1) No shoveling out my car
2) No concerns about gas prices (at least, a little less concern)
3) No getting locked out of the car
4) Not having to worry about the idiot using that space saver, cuz I don't need to park

5) Not having to worry about some neighbor dumping snow on my car.

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To my knowledge, the owner of the vehicle knowingly took someone else's hard earned parking spot which took him or her over an hour worth of snow digging and shoveling.

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It would be her "hard earned parking spot" if she paid for the street, paved it, and kept it up. She didn't. It is a public street, and it is not HER parking spot.

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To "own" a parking spot you have to pay Boston Public Works $50 a day for a permit, which is a lot more than the value of one hour of shoveling.

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Everyone always assume the person didn't already dig out another spot and have that one taken. Maybe that person didn't use an illegal space saver. Maybe that person didn't resort to vigilante justice to get back "their" spot back. I have no problem with people taking a space saved spot as long as they at least pitched in and dug out one.

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Of course no one likes shoveling, but we suck it up and dig out a spot if we want to drive our cars. This guy decided to screw over someone else because he couldn't be bothered to dig out his own spot. Now he'll have to shovel out his car anyways. Fair is fair.

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Then I say it would serve you all right if he just chucked all the snow into the middle of the street, ideally blocking the car of the mom of the snot-nose who did it, and drove away. See where your kind of thinking leads? You people need some remedial lessons in civility.

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55 is not elderly. Bad back is a biggie. Regardless, the folks that buried the car are kind people that clear driveways for the neighbors, helped me dig out my fiance's car 3 times. To be honest , the sons reactions was a lot calmer than mine would be if someone raised their voice to my mother... Regardless. The guy that called the cops was the same guy that moved space savers and when confronted by a neighbor , he screamed profanity at the neighbor and ran to his house when the neighbor went outside.... Great community leader. All in all, none of this stuff matters. Stick with your own. Mind your own business and show respect to others. Shit happens. Family is family.

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Today I helped my neighbors dig out their spot, for the fact that it was a kind deed, and to see who was going to dig out that car.

I don't care what morally up righteous lair you've been spawned or laid in because quite frankly, if you're here to argue what constitutes as elderly, if space savers are politically correct, or to relate this incident to a freaking terrorist attack, I think you need to lay off the reality television and Vicodin. You may think this is douchey, I may think you're a pompous snob who only goes against public opinion to feel better about yourself because this is the only joy you find in life.

The person of interest is my mother, she has worked hard taking care of the family and she's developed weak muscles and a bad back. "55's not that old, I'm 50 and I do this and that" well good for you, not everyone has the privilege of being born in America and avoid doing backbreaking labor for the past 25 years to earn a third of your starting wage. None of you morally up righteous people has ever offered to help in the 20 years I've been here, if you did maybe I didn't have to come all the way back to do so myself.

When my mother confronted the owner(s), two young able bodied men, that it took seven people to collectively maintained this spot over the storms, he replied along the lines of "too bad, I'm parking here for the weekend" and told my mother to take another neighbor's spot. My mother explained "Cannot do that" in whatever broken English she knows, that all the neighbors have spent too much time digging out their own spots for her to unjustly usurp. They've been using the spot for three days among many others when it is vacant, but then why does everyone else who uses that spot puts the space saver back after they're done?

So yes, YOU ARE NOT FROM AROUND HERE does not translate to toothless hick. If that statement lacked merit "when in Rome" wouldn't be a quote, though why should I, an American Born Chinese, expect you to be aware of the culture you've ultimately derived from. You are not from around here, you do not understand our culture as a neighborhood. If you are, and continue to believe the law is absolute and that manifest destiny is still a legitimate argument, leave. My mother was too nice but I told her she needs a spot and the snow needs to go somewhere. My family owns this house and I will own this home. You will be dealing with me, and at the age of 21 with a healthy diet and ample, AMPLE exercise every winter, expect me for the next 60 years.

We were out there from 1-6 pm today, digging out the spots AGAIN like many others residents. We even helped a few neighbors clear their walkways, streets and the spot behind that car. We even cleared the entrance to the driveway the car was adjacent to because the neighbor was understanding enough to just look at us, and request kindly that we make enough room at the turn for their car to come out. We did more than that of course because you need to go above and beyond to be a good neighbor. Guess where all the snow ended up? You'd know if you were out here.

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Evidently it stops at whichever house the guys who own this car live at, huh? Do you reserve this space the rest of the year when there's no snow on the ground? If not, then why does snow change the situation? Because you had to unbury your car before you could move it? Moving snow somehow denotes you with personal privileges? How neighborly is that? Wouldn't the neighborly thing to do be to go back to life as usual where people park anywhere that's open, including places where others may have unburied their cars in past storms? Where if there isn't a space, you and all your friendly neighbors get together to unbury another space on the street where no one was parked when it snowed or where snow piles between cars have prevented the street from full capacity?

For the next 60 years, you could be a good neighbor or a selfish one who thinks that the rest of us should compensate you for your own personal labor to get to your own personal car with a free parking space that no one else can use until you deem it ready for public consumption again. In fact, when do you plan on letting others use your mother's space without retribution? In 2 days? Next week? When most of the snow is gone? When all of the snow is gone? April? Whenever you feel like it, being such a good neighbor as you protest to be?

I'm sure you'll relinquish the space to just anyone to use again when it's the right time to do so. You're so thoughtful of others that way.

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He was going to park there for the weekend. He was accommodated. I don't see the problem.

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You should go make sure his car doesn't accidentally roll away by lowering the pressure in his tires too. I mean, why stop at just snowing him in?

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Very very very simple answer, one is a prank, the other is a criminal offense that can lead to death and destruction of property... I thought the answer was obvious, but then again.... maybe not to everydurrrrrgh

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If I lived in your neighborhood, I would have helped your mother shovel out. I currently live in the suburbs and I STILL help my neighbors shovel out. It's the right thing to do. I can't believe how petty everyone is. Just shovel the cars out, help your neighbors. If you ignorant DB's spent 1/2 the effort shoveling vs. your petulant bitching, the neighborhood would be spotless! And you're damn fucking RIGHT it's an entitlement to have the spot you shoveled. Fuck you and your PC bullshit. You shovel it, it is your spot - the end - fuck you. Those who bitch the most are the ones who likely wouldn't lift a finger to help, but want to force on you what they think is right. If you don't like people saving spots that they shoveled, too fucking bad. Move. There's a reason I moved out of the city years ago. No more dealing with asshole neighbors like so many of you! I'm from Boston and have lived in Chicago for 15 years (now a suburb), and yes, in Chicago we reserved our shoveled spots in the same way. I also didn't see any dickheads take these shoveled spots from a woman who shoveled her spot. Nor did I see other, just as horrible scumbags come to his defense! If I saw the conversation between the woman and this man, I would have had words with him in the HOPES he made me feel "threatened". Maybe he'd think twice after getting his face punched in. Stop being cry baby assholes and help your neighbors shovel their fucking shit! You cowardly keyboard warriors.

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You perfectly worded this! This same thing happened to my brother last week and I did the same thing, without a second thought. One of my neighbors actually came over with a snowblower to help clear a new spot, while buring that asshole's car. Oh, I can only imagine what I would have done if that happened to my mama. Probably poured some boiling water on their tires because if they want the spot then they can keep it until May. I'm surprised at how good you handled it. You sound like a such a good guy and I was honesly confused &disgusted to see these comments against you. I guess they really don't understand the respect, and more importantly culture, we have here.

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Also, I'd bet dollars to donuts that this guy is going to dump the snow in the street.

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Option 1) Just push it off onto the sidewalk in front of Mr. "I was actually there" above. Then send ISD a pic via Citizen's Connect and have Mr. "was there" have to clear it from their sidewalk or get a ticket.

Option 2) Clear only what's necessary to back out (sidewalk, wherever). Back out. Push it all into the space in front of the car. Make Mr. "was there" have to dig it out again.

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Kaz, you must not be from around our neighborhood. If you were, you would know that this young man has helped me enormously as I have cleared and maintained a neighborhood passageway through an empty lot. He has helped me flyer the neighborhood to advertise our neighborhood meetings and get togethers. He is an asset to this neighborhood in a way that I admire. He is also fiercely protective of his mother, who was not born here and who still struggles as an english speaker. He knows how hard his parents have worked so that he could become a college student.

Our families have both been in this neighborhood for over 25 years, and never, - never, - has there been an incident like this. The current situation is unprecedented. Of course there are no disputes in good weather. Of course we do not expect to mark spots after the snow has melted enough to open all the spaces. But labor is a commodity and ought to be respected. This is neighborliness.

We all help each other around here, and if respect and civility is given it is returned with interest. Whatever one might say about taking the high road, etc... - I think we lack imaginative ability if we do not understand the position of a young man whose (extremely hard working) mother has been so poorly treated. He restrained himself and did not inflict damage on property. Rather, he simply provided his mother with a new spot and extracted future labor from the man who was so discourteous. I would say that it was an extremely proportional response.

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Buy the street from the city and make it private property. Then you can labor on *your* street all you want and decide who parks where and have the guy towed so that her space is wide open all the time.

I mean the point of snowing him in is revenge for how the owner poorly treated a woman and the fact that he used a public parking space, right? It's "teaching him a lesson" because he was uncivil. Being an asshole isn't a crime and neither is parking on the street. Do you think this punitive action is going to make him more retrospective on how he could have treated her next time? Or is it just a feel-good move that you all gave him trouble he didn't have because he did the same to her?

Face it. For all your "we help out each other so much, you don't even know!", you're not better than that asshole that parked in front of her house. You are him. He just started it is the only difference.

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Is that really the only card sympathizers can pull? The car is still there, just sitting there, waiting for some kind hearted person to dig it for the owner. Buy the street? Trust me if i had the money Koch does, I would also buy this country, buy every single water, air and elemental right in JP so i can kick people like you and Mr. "_--_" out or poke you in the back and remind you that breathe cost you a quarter. The neighborhod seems quite divided on this issue alone, much easier to get rid of mouthbreathers than form a reakcommunity with them.

Yes, at this point im pretty sure everyone on my street has treated the spots as their own. It's wrong and we won't do it, thats's why we DUG OUT A SECOND SPOT, BECAUSE WE REFUSE TO TAKE SOMEONE ELSES HARD EARNED SPOT. Other people who uses that spot respectfully puts the space saver back, I guess they're from around here. It might not law, but it's custom. The cops must of agreed, that's why when I thought my friends and I are gunna be the next instance of police killings, they just laughed and took pictures to show their friends. Im not saying they have the best judgment, but then again look at this forum.

Everything you have all said thus far is hypethetical, but my neighbor and my streets are still clean, the car is still burried. I made sure of it through the amazing power of observation. You dont need to ask schrodinger to know that the cat knocking over the poison and still staying alive is not possible. Maybe all the productive sympathizers are invisible...

T= 60 years minus 1 day (bad neighbor counter)

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No better than this asshole? Really? You sound like it's ok for someone to tell your mom "that's too bad" and throw expletives directed at her. You'd probably watch your mom break her back shoveling her spot, see a man take her spot and stand there and take it. I bet you'd be ok with that. And you'd just walk away and go about your day as if nothing occurred. If this is true, then YOU are no better than the person simply for allowing them to disrespect your mother. Not only would I not tolerate that, but I wouldn't tolerate some asshole speaking to ANY woman like that, and I'd certainly ensure I made my point known. It isn't right to treat people like shit. Period. I'm sorry you don't understand that. The people who took a stand for this sort of behavior ARE BETTER than the asshole who stole her spot and disrespected her. You, however, are absolutely at the same level as this guy apparently for thinking it's ok. In closing, I would gladly take your shoveled spot since you'd do nothing about it. Hell, I might as well just take your car while I am at it!

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Kaz, where do you live? Do you have a driveway? Are you in a densely residential area? By your blustery certainty I imagine that you don't actually have to deal with the difficulties many residents are encountering.

It is a matter of considerable indifference to me and my family. We have two long driveways on either side, which we keep clear for ourselves and for the occasional neighbor who needs to park for a bit. But for our tenants, who have very young children and have worked hard to maintain their street parking in front of the house... I have enormous sympathy. It is a concern for safety and the welfare of others that supports the claim that a parking spot close to one's front door, especially in the case of those with small children and those with physical difficulties. Your concern seems weighted heavily in favor of assholery rather than for concern for the people who have made these kinds of investments in their community.

I really cannot imagine that you have first hand experience in these matters and still maintain such a decided stance. And yes, while being an asshole is not a crime, neither is shoveling snow over his car, as long as you do not damage property. As I wrote earlier, shoveling someone back in has the beauty of a symmetrical and proportional response.

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When this car has shoveled out and left and they park his mom's car there again, if someone were to come and drop a snow bank on top of it out of spite, no harm no foul, right?

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You don't live around here, do you Kaz? It's so easy to take a principled stance when nothing is at stake. So easy to make judgments. So easy to troll others...

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I must need to live *there* specifically...because nobody else in the world let alone this city has the same problems as you do.

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Some people have driveways - and pay for them - because they understand the concept that having a sticker doesn't mean that they have a right to a specific space - let alone any space at all.

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I'm questioning the original story after reading posts by the "victims" here. The way they are talking, and making assumptions about people in this thread leads me to believe they also exaggerated in their story about the person who took their space.

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Go for it, that's the only point of the story left for you to attack for attention anyways Josev. Question it till your heart aches with passion and sorry that there could be such cruel treatment to one's fellow man. Then go to use that passion as motivation to shovel the entire street please. Why spend so much time trying to found out what's going on in your neighborhood when you can walk out and look? When was the last time you've left your computer? Are aware that the sky is blue and the snow is white (usually)?

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You seem to be the same person who keeps posting under different screen names. Either that or you all have the same writing style. The last time I left my computer was to shovel out my car and some of the space behind it again. Also to clean up my sidewalk (on a large corner lot) and my neighbor's. And guess what, all of that did not take 5 hours.

Keep throwing insults, I'm guessing you are one of the family members. You sound like you need to puff up stories when you think you've been injured/victimized. It's not working with me, you can feed the other trolls here.

My guess is that the person who parked in the space probably did not use "strong language". Your assumptions about people and their intentions says more about you than it does about them.

And by the way, I am very connected with my neighbors and community. I work on local events, help two local organizations, and am participating in a mentorship program.

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and it's well documented around here that he's an asshole.

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The car has since been dug-out and has left. The guy totally deserved it.

I kind of wish we had left him to shovel it out all by himself, so he would understand how much work is put into shoveling out spot in record snow-fall.

(and yes, if you shovel a spot out, and spots are in low-quantity, it is most definitely 'your spot'. I dare you to try and go against this axiom of social law when it comes down to it... you will not be treated nicely, by anyone.)

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This battle is over, but more storms to come. The subject of space savers have been moved to the forest hills Facebook group, feel free to add your opinion on the subject. Feel free to troll without anonymity as well.

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ATTN: fit 21 year old that buried this car — A woman from Craigslist is looking to get to know you better. Props Bro.

http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mis/4896241316.html

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