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An Olympic poll going around

Kevin McCrea reports on a polling call he got last night. "They did not identify who they were from but clearly were paid by Boston 2024. They asked 13 (!) questions to garner a lot of information about potential supporters/opposers of the Olympics."

  1. How closely are you following the Olympics coming to Boston.
  2. Do you support the Olympic bid
  3. Do you you support version 2.0
  4. What is most important to you:
    1. Infrastructure
    2. MBTA
    3. Parks
    4. Preserving Taxpayer money
    5. Economic Development
    6. Inspiring our youth
    7. Nothing could get you to support the Olympics
  5. Would you support submitting the bid knowing that Boston 2024 has committed to a public referendum
  6. How much do you trust Boston 2024 on a scale of 1 to 9
  7. Do you think the Games will highlight our innovation economy and bring opportunity for kids
  8. I couldn't write fast enough!
  9. Democrat/Republican/Independent
  10. Age
  11. Sex
  12. Race
  13. Political Leanings
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By phone, but the questions related to trust in Baker, Walsh, Boston 2024, and No Boston Olympics. I identified myself as a Middle-Eastern, Republican woman over age 65.

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We got the same call in Watertown last night - that two minute survey was a loooong two minutes.

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participate in a poll conducted by somebody who isn't willing to state "Hi. On behalf of X, I'm conducting a poll regarding Y'?

Of course, I usually, and politely, say "not interested" and hang up - often before they've finished their speil. The one notable exception I still recall to this day was the Sunday afternoon years ago when I got a call from somebody representing Buena Vista Entertainment. Ths subject of the poll was "We've just re-released old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons on video - what are your thoughts about this?"

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To provide the pollsters with an idea of what the average opinion on a subject is.

I can read things into polls, but in the end, as long as they are not push polls, they are good things. These questions seemed fair enough.

Or perhaps you don't like people knowing you opinion.

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the "They did not idenify where they were from" comment above. And I stand by my original response - If a person conducting a poll is not willing to identify where they are from, they should not be worthy of anybody's time."

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Say a person is pondering a run for office, but wants to gauge the level of support. They hire a polling firm to ask a series of questions, burying the question about the possible candidate in the middle of the poll.

Also, if someone is theoretically trying to get a honest, unbiased response to an honest unbiased poll, starting out by saying the poll is for John Doe for Congress or Boston2024 might lead to response swings either way based on perceived biases, right down to "I don't support John Doe or Boston2024, so why should I talk to you."

But hey, if you don't want your views weighed in with the rest of the respondents, that's okay. They expect a certain level of that.

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I worked at a market research company for years. The person conducting the survey does not necessarily divulge who commissioned the poll if it has the potential to bias the responses, but they DO have to identify the company they are calling from, ie "good evening, I am John Smith calling from Blah Blah Company, a market research company." Though it is common practice for the interviewer to use a bogus name for themselves if they so choose. I would not give the time of day to any interviewer who did not identify the company they are calling from.

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if I receive an unsolicited call (which IMO should be illegal, regardless of the reason for said call) and choose to answer it, I should at least have the right to know with whom I'm speaking with and why they called me BEFORE answering a bunch of probing questions, most of which are trying to skew the poll results by inquiring about a lot of irrelevant "demographic" information.

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The anon above made a good point about it, both in terms of whether they should identify themselves (they should) and whether they should identify who they are working for viz a viz candidate or political group (they shouldn't.)

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are totally irellevant to the subject at hand and should NOT be asked by anyone. The attitudes behind why people feel if is "necessary" to ask such "demographic" questions are also indicative of why we will never attain true equality in this country.

If I'm asked such questions in a survey, unless there's a "I choose not to answer" option (which most written surveys nowadays provide), my answer is usally "None of your business." Although giving totally false information, as Ishmael noted above, works as well.

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Your age can have a pretty dramatic impact on your beliefs. See: any opinion poll in the last 10 years - those that are 65+ have a different mindset than those 18-24.

If you don't like being surveyed, then politely decline. Otherwise, let the poor people doing the survey do their job and attempt to get reasonable data.

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Ksquared is right. As a statistician, we usually ask these demographic questions because they correlate highly with all sorts of data. It would be nice if we lived in a country where they didn't, but we don't, so we might as well not turn a blind eye to differences within our population.

A responsible survey administrator will tell you who they are, what they are researching, how the data will be used, any risks to you, and usually some other basic stuff about how they identified you. They will also usually tell you that you don't have to respond to questions if you don't want to (unless the study requires some data). They will have a plan in place for how to deal with your missing responses. They may be able to make a reasonable guess on your demographics based on your other responses, even if you don't supply your demographic information.

Providing fake responses usually doesn't do anything either. Your abnormal responses are either not abnormal enough to drastically change the analysis (you are just one data point among hundreds or thousands), and it might just get dropped as bad data or an outlier anyway. So I agree with Ksquared, either answer or politely decline to answer. You're just wasting your time if you're trying to disrupt a survey study with made up answers.

Of course, if it's a BS survey from some hack marketing company that doesn't know what they are doing, just hang up. :-)

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If you follow fivethirtyeight.com during the election season you would know that the way to get an accurate representation of a larger population from a poll (a pretty small sample size in relation) is to properly weight the responses you get. A simple example is that if 8% of your target population is 65+ and your poll of 1,000 people in the state turns out with 12% in that category then you would reduce the weight of those responses accordingly to get the more accurate overall response rate of the population.

Let's take another one. A lot of telephone polls require land lines but most young adults rely solely on cell phones and those younger adults who do have them skew much more to the conservative end of the political spectrum. The polls that showed Obama losing in 2008 often didn't correct for this and so you'd see polls that showed younger Americans favoring McCain which was not accurate as the exit polling results showed (Rasmussen comes to mind as they are often "wrong to the right" as it were). Fivethirtyeight.com doesn't even take any polls themselves, they dive into the raw data sets of other polls and then apply their own corrections/adjustments to them and usually come up with much more reliable results (as shown with the actual elections results & exit polling).

So, when you say it's none of their business you're basically answering a poll for nothing because they really won't be able to use your data set in a way that will give an accurate result. So, you can screech about the lack of "true equality" but that doesn't take away from the fact that there are distinct demographic groups within any population and their probable answers may differ to any given question. Good polls understand that and make adjustments accordingly to get a more accurate result.

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I don't answer my phone unless I know the number calling me or they leave a message. This is one call I don't want to miss if I'm selected.

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said it was a number in Hanover, but don't know if that's how it went for other responders.

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1. Like a gridlocked Masshole in traffic trying to get over the Bourne on July 4th weekend
2. No
3. No
4. G
5. No
6. Zero
7. It will reinforce human superiority complexes and provide no opportunities for our chicks.
8. Duly noted
9. Libertarian
10. Is a social construct
11. Tom
12. Meleagris Gallopavo
13. Revolutionary

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basically the same questions? Stay away from that market research firm.

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While left-ish Republicans may be extinct, there are still (somewhat) moderate ones here and there -- and there are certainly plenty of conservative Democrats.

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See below. ;-}

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Writes the conservative Democrat.

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Replies the socially liberal fiscally conservative independent

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I said basically. It'd still make sense to roll them into 1, or at least not stick 3 questions between them.

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answer the phone using pidgin Arabic, a technique I picked up from many a Muslim driver. The person at the other end usually freaks and hangs up.

"Bleftoomie?"

"Sir, I'm sorry, do you speak English?"

"Bleftoomie!"

"Thank you for your time".

Click.

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Would you support submitting the bid knowing that Boston 2024 has committed to a public referendum

Would you support submitting the bid knowing that Boston 2024 has committed to a public non-binding referendum held nine months after the USOC selects their host city?

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Are they polling only Boston residents or elsewhere in Massachusetts?

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Do they only call landlines? Surely that would skew the demographics toward the older side - at least, I'd assume so. I don't think I know anyone of my generation or younger who has an actual landline.

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I've had a landline for the past couple of years, because I work from home a couple of days every week and don't want to burn cell minutes on endless conference calls. Even I don't know the number for it.

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or a "Ma Bell" legacy line (i.e. dialtone is provided by the CLEC) (not a IP phone or comcast phone)

Pick up your phone and dial 220 and the 'Lady of Ma Bell' will tell you what your phone number is.

You can also dial 1-800-444-4444 (WorldCom/MCI/GX)

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I dialed 220 from my Verizon landline, and heard just silence and clicks, no recording or robot.

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It can change.. but it was 220 for like a decade. I'll ping my VZW repair tech friend on what the new code is.

In the mean time, you can call 1-800-444-4444 which does work.

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That's a good tidbit to know... But it's an RCN VoIP line.

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When I need to know what a phone number is, I just call my cell phone to observe the caller ID

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The point of my original post was that I don't need to know the number of my landline, but these are good points anyway.

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UHub commenters upset someone asked their opinions about something they clearly have opinions on. Proceed to comment about their opinions of the audacity of someone wanting to hear their opinions.

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No, I don't think people are upset about a poll - I've yet to see complaints about WBUR's Olympic polling, for example. What raises hackles is the idea that Boston 2024 might be doing some push polling to try to get the sort of poll results that would make the USOC happy.

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Come on, Adam. You've been around. Those aren't push poll questions.

Here's a pro-Olympics push poll question "If the voters don't approve the Boston2024 referendum, outside businesses might think that getting anything done in Boston is difficult and would be less inclined to locate here. With that in mind, do you support Boston2024?"

To be balanced, if the anti-Olympics folk were push polling, here's one they might choose "Since every Olympics has cost more that the initial budgets have notes, often at least twice as much, and since you as the taxpayer will most likely be called upon to pay for these inevitable overruns, do you support Boston2024?"

The real questions might have polling bias, but that is something for the opposition to carp on when the results are released. It's like that time about 7 years ago when the majority of Americans were opposed to gay marriage and opposed to banning gay marriage. It's all about the question, but the questions are not that leading.

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As Nancy noted, 5 is deceitful, 6 seems a bit out of sequence and the real push shoves along at 7 where they assume you agree with 'innovation economy. before clubbing you with 'the children'

5,Would you support submitting the bid knowing that Boston 2024 has committed to a public referendum.

6.How much do you trust Boston 2024 on a scale of 1 to 9.

7. Do you think the Games will highlight our innovation economy and bring opportunity for kids

It's more amateurish hack crap that reminds me of a poll I worked on as a temp for Silber on his last shot at running for governor. It was badly structured, people loathed him anyway and it wasn't what he wanted to hear.

I leaked it to Al Giordano and Silbur was humiliated by the scoop. It was an internal poll which is what this sounds like. 2024 is nervously taking the public pulse without necessarily planning to use the results as a sales pitch if they aren't favorable.

They'll try to re-tweak their pathetic pitch once again and re-foist it with entirely predictable results.

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6 is actually a decent question, while 5 is just bizarre. I mean, if I supported a referendum so I could vote against it, how would that make me more in favor of the bid?

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Are the next big thing!

Phone Phreaks Phorever.

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Phone companies no longer use in-band signalling. The boxes Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak used to build won't work any more.

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With luck it'll exhaust itself.

My news aggregator has a few items that seem to preface this polling blast.

From BBJ

http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/real_estate/2015/07/spike-in-olympic-s...

Huffpo.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/02/no-boston-olympics_n_7707834.html

Boston Inno has Professor Zimbalist.

http://bostinno.streetwise.co/2015/07/02/economist-olympic-expert-andrew...

Field of Schemes! What a name.

It's a web periodical that specializes in casting a jaundiced eye on all the foolish bullshit various athletic things try to soak taxpayers for. They see 2024 as great material.

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2015/07/08/9443/bostons-olympic-stadium-co...

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Close the borders, far right, NRA, cordial, anti-obamacare, the south, mitt Romney

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