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Olympics would bring billions to Boston, study says

The Globe reports on a study by an institute at UMass on all the economic benefits we'd see - but don't worry, the institute isn't directly affiliated with UMass Boston, which has strongly supported the games and stands to get its first dorms out of the deal. The study does caution we should be concerned about public expenditures and Olympics fever sucking the life out of projects and development in the rest of the state.

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Then create enough affordable housing to offset the displacements that will happen, and satisfy the needs of the metropolis.

Create a plan for displaced workers and their employers to be compensated for the loss of a month's work and pay, and post a bond to cover the fund and a tax on all things olympic to cover it.

Then, we can talk.

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Studies predicting how much Boston will benefit from a 2024 Olympics are as wildly inaccurate as cost estimates of paying for the games! Let's pass on this till the problems we have now are addressed.

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But it will also cost billions, and none of the billions it may bring is recurring revenue.

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Let the ceremonies begin..
Billions to the local economy means we can use that money to build a much better and more sophisticated mbta transit system. Or buy 100 ferry boats and have a cost of an mbta fare and transport people to Boston from all points north and south . We have the water ways why not use it, just like NYC with their taxi ferrys.
We can use that money to build a bridge from North End waterfront to Eastie.

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"Peter Zuk, who was project director of the Big Dig during its prime years of cost-overruns and managerial ineptitude" is a consultant for the Olympics.

Can you say RED FLAG??

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2015/03/18/keller-large-fear-that-boston-2024...

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What are the Details of the Plan for after the Olympics leave the metropolitan area?...

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It's going to look like Biff Tannen's Hill Valley.

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The connected developers that lobbied for the games gobble it all up.

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Request the stenographic record from Boston 2024 to find out

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I didn't realize that moving my wallet from my left pocket to my right pocket would be good for my budget.

Shouldn't it more accurately be "Olympics will shuffle billions that are already here into the hands of the organizers?" Now, I know they pledge not to beg for tax money, but if you think that will happen, I have a giant tunnel under downtown to sell you.

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To be fair, it's actually "moving your wallet from your left pocket, taking out a few dollars, then moving it to your right pocket."

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But it will cost X+Y billions to bring in X billions.

It's the Y part I have an issue with.

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I'm curious how the city plans to accommodate 4000 paralympians, seeing as how our city ignores, or is hostile, to the disabled that live here.

Also curious about ticket pricing structure. I have a hard time imagining that events would be affordable for poor, and working class people/families. Just being cynical. It all smells so elitist.

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My guess is (this all, God forbid, if this train wreck actually comes to pass) they'll hold a lottery for tickets. I doubt this lottery will in any way be weighted for locals, so you'll be up against New Yorkers and Californians and others. If you're really REALLY lucky and win the lottery, you might get tickets to a preliminary javelin heat or an early-round table-tennis game between Guatemala and Uzbekistan.

USA Basketball? Gymnastics? The stuff people might want to see? Well, all these multinational corporate sponsors have a lot of friends and relatives, and they want to see that stuff too.

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You pay for the games by selling tickets. If you want free tickets, then you can't also demand that the games be put on with private money and at a reasonable cost.

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The lottery is for the opportunity to purchase the tickets, not for the tickets themselves. Kind of like the Sox having a drawing to see who gets a chance to spend way too much money on the hallowed Monster Seats.

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...just like every other city that's hosted a Paralympic Games. Can you say Sochi?

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I'll hop in; The city has put in ramps on just about every corner, and the T is installing elevators in stations not designed for them. I certainly admit things are not perfect for someone in a wheelchair, in particular, and I think we can say they are evolving over time. Most of the improvements needed are very expensive. Things were 'the old way' for 200+ years, and have changed radically in the last 25 years.

I know the city didn't shovel Handicapped spots, or ramps or crosswalks from the 499 jillions tons of snow that covered them. I know people bickered over yellow plastic pads on the sidewalks of Beacon Hill. But those don't equal "ignore" or "hostile".

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An important part of the picture is that City Communications/Notices need to be available in PlainText. In order to preserve the City Seal and the Stamp of the City Clerk many City Communications/Notices are images rather than being a searchable, usable text to speech screenreader compatible communications/notices http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_reader

Advocate!... No more excluding the part of our population using text to speech screenreaders.

An example of a bad example
http://www.cityofboston.gov/cityclerk/docs/SKMBT_42015031721460-572247.pdf

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Too Bad the public will never see one red cent of it only the ploticians and contractors will benefit from this also they have said they were locking down the city if that happens so if your upset about lost wages from all the snow think about not being able to go work over a bunch of tourist and there stupid games !!!!

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The Boston Foundation is run by and funded by many of the same people who stand to make a lot of money off of taxpayer-funded projects related to the Olympics...

And the study was done by UMass, whose Boston campus stands to gain substantial new housing from the Olympics.

But even believing that it is unbiased, the report itself comes to the headline-grabbing conclusion only after assuming practically ALL possible positive outcomes, while relegating almost ALL negative outcomes to mere caveats. As in, rather than look at the actual history of the games and their triple-digit cost overruns, they sort of said "yeah, that's something to be concerned about, but look at all these billions of dollars that could be made by spending billions of dollars!"

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X 1,000,000

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People, disclosure: I live downtown but I do not, personally, have a lot of passion one way or the other, I'm not going to be a good foil for an argument.

I am interested in the amount of passion "against" here, and some of the arguments "against" seem, well, kinda simple.

Ultimately the amount of revenue we all have access to, that we all divide up, is a function of how many reasons there are for people from *elsewhere* to come here to spend money. Whether the draw is temporal (the Olympics), recurring (the marathon, Head of the Charles), or semi-permanent (jobs in biotechnology or healthcare), in the *absence* of the draw we are all doomed.

The Olympics is just temporal draw on a large scale. While people may (and here, especially, do) freak out about the potential for sub-optimization from which they don't benefit personally, the basic structure of the proposal is consistent with things we all agree to do together all the time, no?

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Ultimately the amount of revenue we all have access to, that we all divide up, is a function of how many reasons there are for people from *elsewhere* to come here to spend money.

Unless you greatly stretch the meaning of the phrase "come here to spend money", that's just not true. It is true that a robust economy depends on customers from outside your city/region/whatever, or we're all just taking in each other's washing. But who says they have to "come here"? If your business is financial services, or software, or most manufactured goods, your customers aren't going to "come here" -- they're going to stay there, buy your products and use your services, the revenue comes in and the customers stay where they are. That's called a normal economy. What you're talking about? That's a tourist resort.

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The tourists who come for the Games will, to be sure, stay in local hotels and eat in local restaurants (notwithstanding the gargantuan McDonald's the leading IOC sponsor will make us build). All money from outside coming into the local economy, yes, but significantly more than in a typical tourist summer?

And Olympic tourists probably aren't here to spend much money at local museums, bookstores, off-the-beaten-path bistros - you know, the places that help make this city as world-class as those of us who aren't on the 2024 committee want it to be, and the places that the tourists in a normal year will hit. They're going to watch the shot put and gymnastics, go to Legal Seafood or worse, and when they get back to Chicago or Dallas or Brussels or Osaka, they won't have anything to encourage their friends to put Boston on their gotta-visit list.

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Boston hotels are at full capacity most of the summer already without a 2-4billion dollar expenditure on temporary stadiums, extra security, etc.

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My quick response:

The difference is that the balance of permanent funding resources, displacement of existing homes and businesses, and handing urban planning over to the IOC (which has final say and can change *any* plans that Boston2024 develops, even after the plans are okay'd and we're all on the hook) is, in my opinion, WAY out of sync with the proposed benefits.

Build a museum? That takes funding and disruption for a year or so, but it becomes a (hopefully) permanent part of the tourism and cultural industry and will have a continued impact on tourism $.

Host a major sports competition like Head of the Charles? Yeah, it requires road closures for a weekend and other minor headaches, but the infrastructure already exists or was provided by the private (or semi-private) interests that benefit, such as local universities and rowing clubs. It is also an annual event, so the up front costs are mitigated over decades and decades.

Host the Olympics? That will necessarily require an enormous outlay of private and public capital; use of eminent domain to take private businesses and homes away from people that work and live there; change the face of the city in some neighborhoods completely, and all for just one three-week period so that people who don't live here and will likely never return here get to have some fun.

The organizers like to make grand promises of new housing and grand urban development that will benefit Boston residents long after the games, but the actual empirical evidence from every other modern Olympic games shows the exact opposite. I have lots of civic pride, but the fact is I do not trust the MENSA group at Boston2024 to be able to do what literally no other city that has hosted the games since the '80s has been able to do. They keep citing LA in '84, but that was an aberration (too long to get into here) and should never be used as a comparison. They say that Salt Lake City was "profitable," but conveniently leave out the fact that Mitt had to beg for $1.57 billion in federal bailout to cover the losses so that the $100m in "profit" could exist.

The T requires $14 billion in investments to be truly updated and modernized for the future. Boston2024 is saying the games will cost anywhere from $4.7 billion to $11 billion or more, depending on how its estimated and who you ask. If you really think that the bulk of the available money that you refer to will go to fixing regional problems, rather than just localized issues to meet the requirements of the IOC in the immediate areas near the venues, then you are being hoodwinked.

And to put some of the numbers into perspective, if you counted one dollar bill every second, you would get to a million dollars in eleven and a half *days*. To get to a billion dollars would take you almost thirty two *years*.

So it comes down to this: We have a finite amount of resources. Where do we spend those resources so that we get the best return? Do we throw it all at one single party for one month? Or do we fix systemic issues that were exacerbated by the last boondoggle and empty promises that were made to get it passed (see: Big Dig)? Do we look at how the region will be developed with a long-term lense, a la what Somerville is doing with Assembly and Union Squares (not perfect, but worth a look)? Or do we bet the entire bank on one temporary event?

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Thoughtful replies, thanks.

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Boston has an excellent tourist economy already. The hotels are fully occupied all summer and well into the fall, and because people come here for many reasons, they spend money all over the city.

My understanding is that having the Olympics come to your city means you do get a bunch of people who come into the city for the event, and that might be more people than you would usually get for those couple of weeks, but it has a chilling effect on tourism in the months around the event, which can result in a net loss. It is speculation, but I also think that the construction, especially if we are building on the Commons, the Public Garden, and the Esplanade may make the city less attractive as a destination for as much as a year on either side of the event as we build up, and then tear down in some of the spaces people come to see.

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First of all, the math is silly. Of course spending billions of dollars will pump billions of dollars into the economy. The issue is where the money comes from and why it isn't currently available for anything we NEED to do.

I would love to see the Olympics come to Boston. But it is beyond depressing to realize that there are billions of dollars of money sitting in rich people's savings account and everyone else's lack of increased taxes and purchase of crap that can only be accessed by a project to build some useless stadiums and put a few thousand construction workers to work for half a decade. What if we could say, we are going to build a 22nd Century Transit system that will connect everyone from 495 to Beacon Hill, cut automobile trips in half, and be used every day by millions of people? Nope, not exciting enough.

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I trust the Boston Foundation implicitly when it comes to analysis. Here, too, even though they outsourced the study.

They came to the conclusion that the games will make money. Other people have done studies that "prove" the opposite.

Those who say it will lose money use data collected from past Olympics - the ones that lost money or, in their minds, used math tricks to show profits. Those who say it will make money use examples from the recent past and, in others' minds, fudge their numbers.

But, past performance is indicative of future behavior and that ain't good.

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They concluded that spending a lot of money to host the Olympics will result in a lot of spending. This is, of course, true.

They also concluded that there are substantial risks, which is also true.

On the downside, they also improperly concluded that a bunch of spending that Boston 2024 says will happen anyway (in order to keep the spending off of their books) should be counted as economic impact. You can't say the spending shouldn't count for budget purposes while simultaneously saying it should count for economic impact purposes.

They also used economic planning software (IMPLAN) to estimate the ripple effects in the economy even though that software can specifically not be used to estimate the ripple effect during mega-events.

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I'd love and support an Olympic games that really doesn't build anything.

Opening Ceremonies: Choose from TD Garden, Gillette, or a College stadium. Horse thing: I'm sure there are horse race things in Conecticut or Wellesly or somewhere.
Athlete Village: There are thousands upon thousands of dorms in this city.
There's Fenway, Aganis, BCEC.

-No closing the Common for an entire year.
-No closing highway lanes for the IOC.
-No need for significant new subway systems.
-No closing down significant portions of the city to normal use.
-Yes, we will need security, and I'm sure loads extra shuttle busses.
-Admit that Boston is already jammed with tourists EVERY summer (hotels are impossible to get for under $300/night), and we will scare them (plus a lot of locals) away during the Games and any prep. I seriously doubt Boston or Mass gets a cash infusion of any kind.

I'd love to see the games here. They're a ton of fun. But if it doesn't work this way, then let the games go elsewhere.

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