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T workers protest privatization

Kris Haight watched the Carmen's Union protest on Devonshire Street in advance of a meeting Gov. Baker was scheduled to attend this morning.

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There was a public counterprotest but no one could get there because of breakdowns and noshows on the MBTA this morning. /sarc

Reminds me of cabbies vs uber.

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T workers against. privatization
BPS against Charters

We love us some monopolies!

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Sorry, but schools and transit are like healthcare - they don't run best on the profit motive.

There is a reason that the Europeans kick our arse when it comes to all three. It isn't privatization.

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am not a big fan of the T but I agree. You think it shits now? It would be far worse if privatized.

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Thanks for the nod Adam. Twice in one week.. I feel special!

But, here's pictures of the handout they were giving out. Yes it would get very worse if it was privatized.

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Baker was co-director at Pioneer when MA charter school law first passed, about 18 years ago. The bill was their baby. They started small with tight limits on charter growth.

By 2010, Mass. passed an ed reform law that raised the charter cap to 18% of district budget. It's significant because budget cuts at this level hurt good public schools.

The MA senate voted down charter expansion last year because they saw how the finances work, and they didn't want to continue building two parallel schools systems when we have trouble affording one.

Now Baker wants to lift the cap again and they've set up three ways to make it happen,

  • his bill
  • a ballot question
  • by lawsuit

He really wants this. My point is this. They started small and now Baker, after 2 decades wants to take the cap off charter expansion and privatize BPS, Lawrence, Holyoke, Springfield and every other district with kids who live in poverty (they're the ones with low scores.)

Towns like Andover, Weston and Wellesley will fend off charter expansion in their districts. Their school budgets are limited too and money spent on charters comes right out of the budget.

The carmen's union is right to see the writing on the wall.

Charlie Baker is a privatizer and as a result a union buster. He's just smarter about it than Walker and Kasich but they're doing exactly the same things. Walker turning 5 public schools turned into charters every year in Milwaukee. Baker wants 50 new charters opened, the majority of which in the state's biggest urban district-- Boston.

I'm sure Baker has business friends who'd love the ready-made business opportunity to run transit subsystem or invest in a charter schools. There's a lot of NYC hedge fund money invested in charter schools. Their pitch is, they can double your invetment in 5 years using federal tax credits.

Stand up. Fight Back. The 1% do not deserve to inheret profit from out transit and public schools.

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Read about Kevin Johnson out in Sacramento. It'll make your blood boil.

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First - please stop spreading the untruth that charters hurt Boston's school budget. They take the gross revenues of the city, multiply by 35-36% and that's how they arrive at the school budget (I think it was 35.9 in 2003 and it's now 35.4% mainly because the percentage of fixed costs has risen faster so everything else has to be cut a little) - meanwhile - the total budget grows at 2-3 times the rate of inflation. If these 8000 (and growing) number of children came back to BPS - they wouldn't and couldn't bump up the budget a dime - so the expenditures per child would fall about 15%.

As for "profits" from running the transit system - ask Keolis - and others before them. I'd be surprised when it's all said and done if they are making a penny running the commuter rail. This is an open bid process - I believe we had Amtrak running it for a while, then a pretty incompetent local splinter group and now Keolis. Nobody's been able to do a very good job of it because we haven't spent the huge investments in transit we have made on new equipment - we've spent it on payroll and benefits.

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Some Boston Schools parents met with Superintendent McDonough last year to learn about how school financing works at BPS. They found out that it's more complicated than it appears. One of them put together this info graphic.

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Let's not lose sight of the fact that the kids attending charters currently are largely poor, minority kids drawn from neighborhoods with bad schools. One way or another, we'd be paying to educate these kids - either through BPS or a charter. They aren't going to go to Holy Name or Catholic Memorial, saving the taxpayers from paying for their schooling.

Sometimes the rhetoric around this issue gets weird as the anti-charter crowd focuses on the hedge fund villains presumably behind it vs. the parents who send their kids to charter school. The people I've met at the Brooke are largely just families who really want access to what they think is the best option for their kid(s). I can't claim to represent that community as the school is mostly non-white, non-middle class folks who aren't from Roslindale. I assure you though that they aren't in this to somehow screw over the taxpayers or make some hedge fund person rich. If you want to limit any further growth of charters, be sure to explain to someone who puts their kid on the bus at 6:30am what your better option is for her kid.

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...or even the MBTA?

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And exactly the part of the problem. As the number of students shrinks, you can maintain services per student with fewer heads - but we never cut heads. If 20 kids leave - you need one fewer teacher. If 1000 kids leave, you need 50 fewer teachers - and probably 1-2 fewer schools . This whole argument rests on the assumption that if a teacher is "lost" due to a loss of population, somehow students lose out. But if you look at student/teacher ratios - they remain very consistent over time - and in fact staff/student ratios have been increasing because as BPS shrinks, they've maintained most of their headcount - which has driven expenditures per pupil up about an additional 10-15% in the last dozen or so years. With student populations down 10-15%, we've only cut a handful of schools - which is why we have read about so much "seat" overcapacity. Sounds like some aren't happy with the allocation of those resources - but the total resources to BPS are night and day compared to what the system had 15-20 years ago. We've gone from a marginal (and perhaps typical urban) district, to a district that can spend money on par with some of the wealthiest districts in the country (and Beacon Hill has figured this out - which is why we get less aid than we used to).

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State(and Federal) bureaucracies have little motivation to maintain a balance budget or even run above break even. While they have to answer to tax payers, how's that working out for us? The national debt is $18T. These officials and bureaucrats make 6-figures and pensions for life a the while losing gobs of tax payers $$$. Its far more complicated that but is generally the case.

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Actually I work for a federal agency and we are required by law to have a balanced budget at the end of the year. A ton of programs and badly needed maintenance projects just got deferred last month because people elsewhere in the agency spent idiotic amounts of money on a new hospital across the country and the agency has to be at 0 by end of fiscal.

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for agencies that don't collect fees and rely on the general fund, they may have to balance the budget in that they can't spend what they aren't allocated, but the treasury ends up borrowing or printing money and/or shuffling IOU's to get the funding to the agency that spends it. The government as a whole still ends up spending more than it collects in taxes and fees.

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It is far more complicated than your standard issue talking points.

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My healthcare coverage and pricing was amazing prior to Obamacare!

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Before Obamacare, my health insurance costs were outrageous!

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Because you now have a $1,000 - $2,000 deductible!

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The difference is I'm paying about $900 a month less thanks to the Obamacare subsidy I wasn't eligible for under Romneycare AND we have dental coverage now.

As they say, YMMV and the plural of anecdote isn't data, but, no, not everybody has just been crushed into socialist gruel under Obamacare. Plus, as an American, I find it kind of nice to know that millions of people not fortunate enough to live in Massachusetts can now get insurance - and routine medical care.

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Companies are still sorting out out the numbers and changing rates, so don't rush to any conclusions.

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My BC/BS premium climbed to over $600/mo. It was a high level plan so I cut back and paid about $250 for less.

It too grew to about $600/mo after about 5 years.

I learned BC/BS reserves held a lot of mortgaged backed securities and so when that "AAA rated" sh*t pile was discovered (~2008) BC/BS made up their loses by raising premiums. year after year. F*ck Wall Street. F*ck BC/BS.

My premium is affordable and it's not rising like it was.

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So it was better under Romneycare, the same basic program but it had a Republican name so it was so much better? Under either, you can get (and most have) private insurance, so you don't make any point other than anything Obama does you are against.

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If Eurocare is so great why are their cancer and premature infant mortality rates abysmal?

Why did so many elderly people in French hospitals drop dead from a simple heatwave?

Why is is the NHS in the UK a continental joke?

Millions of people wouldn't visit the US for healthcare from Europe each year if something wasn't all it's cracked up to be.

I almost died overseas on a waiting list for their 'wonderful' healthcare.

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And tell us about how the "Eurocare" system is operated. Try doing it without using vague right wing talking points. Put a little substance into your argument, you may even earn a gold star!

Why is is the NHS in the UK a continental joke?

You apparently know no one in the UK or the Continent.

Millions of people wouldn't visit the US for healthcare from Europe each year if something wasn't all it's cracked up to be.

Again, pure fantasy. Besides maybe the ultra rich seeking care in some exclusive Beverly Hills clinic, virtually no one from the developed world is coming here for healthcare. Residents of the developed world generally regard our extremely expensive healthcare "system" as the sick joke it is. They'd be stupid to exponentially overpay for the same quality of service at they can get at home at a far less cost.

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There are MANY serious problems with it, regardless if we're talking about England, Wales, Scotland, or N. Ireland. If we're going to compare the NHS (single payer, nationalized, the most genuinely socialist healthcare system of the major European countries) with other major Western Euro countries, certainly France, Germany (both multi-payer universal healthcare systems), are much better. But comparing a huge country like the U.S. with much smaller Euro countries is apples and oranges, and much more complex. At the end of the day, health and life expectancy in the U.S., Western Europe, UK, is roughly the same, equal. In some things the U.S. does better or worse, dittoEurope and the UK.

I'm not a right winger or left winger. There are serious problems with both the leftist and rightist narratives and agendas. And I find the left wing obsession with alleged European superiority (meaning they're more socialist? That depends on the country, and what kind of 'entitlements' we're talking about, and the U.S. is much more socialist than most ignorant Europeans realize and most far left Americans will admit) tedious and hackneyed. We aren't living in the 60s and 70s anymore.

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I can attest! Family in Ireland - hates the healtcare system, and she's a nurse!
Friend in Ireland, sister died and the family swears she could've beat her disease if they could've gotten her to the US. Of course, all that is speculation

Co worker in Canada; he worked with us here in the US but had to go home for visa issues. At home, contracted an infection. I talked to him on a Friday night, by Saturday morning he was in coma. He languished in a Canadian hospital. The owner of my company used his connections to get the head of a department at MGH ( I forget if it was surgical, or what) to contact said hospital in Canada. the MGH doctor became exasberated when he could not talk to my co workers doctor. He finally got a hold of a doctor at the hospital and he wanted to arrange my co worker to be flown back to the states for treatment, namely at MGH.

The doctor he was speaking with admitted that my co workers life would be saved if they could get him to the States, but he said that unfortunately they were about a day late (maybe the day spent trying to get the attending physician on the phone?? or to even return a call).

My co worker died.

To have the Canadian doctor admit that treatment would've been better in the States is all I need to know.

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The plural of anecdote is not data. I'm sure there are thousands of people in the US who died because they could not arrange to be treated by a department head from MGH, even if you ignore the millions who have died because they had no health insurance at all.

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Do you have a link to the millions that died without health insurance?

Hospitals treat the uninsured through a "pool".

No one is turned away.

I'm not being snarky, I really want to know if it's true that millions have died.

And of course, there are just as many complaints in the UK of bad treatment.

I find it nauseating when people really think the UK NHS system is better. There are just as many issues in patient care, and I wonder about research.

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Do you have a link to the millions that died without health insurance?

Well, that took about five seconds of googling:

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deat...

I find it nauseating when people really think the UK NHS system is better.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/uks-healthcare-ranked-the-best-out-...

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The U.S. has some great doctors, here in Boston especially. That's not in dispute. The healthcare system in the U.S., however, is a subject of scorn and derision in the rest of the developed world - for good reason. Why should healthcare be privatized? Why shouldn't it be a universal right to receive medical care and attention WITHOUT having to choose between illness/death and a lifetime of crippling debt? Why should insurance companies - who exist to make money, even if they pretend (as the one I used to work for persisted in pretending) to be "non-profit" - make billions of dollars from something that should be, I repeat, a universal right? In other countries - Australia, for instance, just because I lived there - all citizens have Medicare. It covers them for basic care and emergencies and medical necessities. Is it perfect? No, of course not, but it's a damn sight better than what we have here. Citizens who are wealthy enough are free to purchase additional health insurance if they want, but it's very much a non-necessity.

We have good doctors. We have a TERRIBLE system. Full stop.

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I'm probably screaming into the abyss here, but this is a uniquely pig-ignorant comment, anon, and you've awoken in me that age-old need to tear down every part of every stupid thing you just said.

If Eurocare is so great why are their cancer

Because cancer rates are positively correlated with wealth (through a mechanism not totally understood, but which may have something to do with the fact that wealthier people are the ones getting tested, and when poor people die of cancer it doesn't get reported as cancer), which is why some pockets of extreme wealth in the US also have the highest reported cancer rates--even among people with access to the highest quality of care.

and premature infant mortality rates abysmal?

You must mean the infant mortality rates that are lower in every western European nation than in the United States? Or are we including the eastern European nations without nationalized health care, in this big flaming man-o'-straw?

Why did so many elderly people in French hospitals drop dead from a simple heatwave?

Probably for the same reason that they drop dead at the same rate in American heat waves: because they're elderly and more susceptible to hyperthermia.

Why is is the NHS in the UK a continental joke?

You mean the same NHS that they thought highly enough of to feature as the prominent theme at the Olympic opening ceremony? The one whose health outcomes are improving faster than other European countries, despite the fact that the UK’s health spending has only just reached the average European levels?

Millions of people wouldn't visit the US for healthcare from Europe each year if something wasn't all it's cracked up to be.

They're mostly visiting because their government-backed health care is paying the costs for them to come visit, because of a supply shortage in their home country. The rest of them are rich tourists who are willing to pay absurd prices to skip the lines of plebians waiting for healthcare in their own country. Meanwhile, the number of Americans seeking care in foreign countries because of insane costs of care here is rising much more rapidly.

I almost died overseas on a waiting list for their 'wonderful' healthcare.

And yet here you are today, proudly waving your flag of ignorance. Pray tell, what terminal condition were you denied treatment for?

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Stomach cancer. NHS course of treatment was no treatment. Returned to the US and survived thanks to Dana Farber.

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Must be an NHS thing because that is also what affected my friends sister in Ireland. The family said she had horrible treatment.

He got the same diagnosis (genetic?) and was cured by the wonderful doctors at Lahey.

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You are aware that NHS is not the healthcare provider in Ireland, are you?

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...it was acute gullibility, which goes to prove his point! They didn't cure him of it.

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MA charters are required to be non-profits. Their motive is teaching children, not making money.

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Maybe not charters but have you looked at the scandals with for profit schools? (Lincoln Tech, University of Phoenix, etc).. Yeah they aren't public schools per say but they are for profit schools. This is why we don't want private enterprise running the public school system.

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Yeah - that's a non-profit!

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But harvard isn't begging for federal student loan monies and then ripping off students in the process.

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This is not a defense of Phoenix, but you realize the cost of tuition is directly linked to the amount of money they can get from people right?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/09/08/student_loans_drive_up_co...

Harvards tuition is just as influenced by the money they can collect (boosted by easy, often unfortunately so, loans) just like the housing bubble was created by easy loans as well? Phoenix just doesn’t have to be as choosy as Harvard.

There are good and bad actors in any economic area, but U. Phoenix being a bad one, doesn’t imply they all are.

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that leads to U of Phoenix and other for profit colleges soaking students and thus taxpayers.

Blame goes to lawmakers who took huge campaign donations from for-profits for writing the rules allowing the exploitation.

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US teens ranks 36th in the world when it comes to math, science, and reading. "The U.S. ranks fifth in spending per student. Only Austria, Luxembourg, Norway, and Switzerland spend more per student. To put this in context: the Slovak Republic, which scores similarly to the U.S., spends $53,000 per student. The U.S. spends $115,000." - per the Programme for International Student Assessment in 2012.

A large majority attend of public schools while some sites suggest only 10% attend private schools. The point of this? Use deductive reasoning.

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I bet the cost of living is a lot lower in the Slovak Republic.

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Could you do a similar comparison for Massachusetts vs. the world? I think you'll find different rankings.

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If Massachusetts Were A Country, Its Students Would Rank 9th In The World

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmarshallcrotty/2014/09/29/if-massachuse...

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What would happen if we could bump up performance in some of the urban districts?!

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...we should just rout out those fucking morons in the urban districts who bring down our numbers...

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Maybe we could stop sending so much of our federal tax dollars down to the intellectual hole that is the south and reinvest that money in our own struggling populations.

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Check out the situation in Philapelphia if you think that "non-profit" protects us from financial mismanagement or guarantees better schools:
http://www.philly.com/philly/education/Philly_Charters_schools_building_...

Here in MA the DESE numbers demonstrate that non profit charters in MA do not equal better education. No one is talking about the charter attrition rates and that they do not back fill seats. Thus a 100% graduation rate is based on "suggesting out" kids which results in a school that goes from approx. 100 kids in 9th grade to approx 45 kids in 12th grade--this is not 100%. Meanwhile the kids who are "suggested out" do their testing in the BPS.

Think the the globe investigate this? Not likely.

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Non-profit means there is no profit than can be returned to the mythical "investors" I often hear about in this context. I was simply correcting an oft-repeated piece of misinformation re: MA charter schools.

I'm not sure your other points are supported by the facts, but that's another argument for another day.

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This is a really good point. Not having kids and not being in the education field (and bored to death listening to people fight about it) I haven't had a good understanding about how investors in the private sector are going to make money off this -- which is obviously why this is a thing. (I mean nothing in this country "is a thing" if it's not involved with making someone very rich.)

Can anyone shed a little light on this one? I noticed when looking up the Excel Charter school (which seems to to be metastasizing all over East Boston) there are multiple entities -- some owning buildings, some being parent associations (with millions of dollars) -- it seems like a shell game of some sort and I'm sure there are some for-profit entities involved, but can't figure out how it all fits together. Anyone got the Cliff Notes on this one?

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There are all sorts of "things" in this country that exist despite the lack of profit-motive. The MFA comes to mind immediately. These "things" are often funded in part by donors who want to support the cause. In the charter school world, Bill and Melinda Gates are some well known donors (Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2012/10/12/bill-gat...)

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That isn't totally true actually. Most of the major European urban transit agencies (and many of the intercity systems) are, in fact, privatized to an extent. The model they tend to use is one of state ownership but where the agency acts more like a private enterprise: the agency can issue it's own stock and bonds, raise it's own capital, but must also meet a high base-service requirement. That's not quite the "privatization" you're talking about, granted, but there are far more options than just "run for profit of small cadre of investors" or "run by state".

But in spirit, I'm with you. Vast majority of the T's payroll accrue to union workers who are protected by Federal, not State, transit union regulations. Even if we got someone crazy enough to want to privatize the MBTA, they wouldn't likely be able to fire workers or streamline payroll expenses because of said regs, their only option for cost-cutting would be to slice up service across the board.

I say, just let the Swiss run it for a decade.

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Haven't seen anyone making boatloads of money off charters (in Mass - can't speak for what goes on in the rest of the country)

Of course Europe has a better transit system than us. When 20% of your population is out of work, they need a way to get to the unemployment office.

I have mixed emotions about medicine - it needs to remain affordable - FOR ALL - but without the profit motive I'd probably have a lot of dead relatives who are alive because somebody had the motivation to invent new procedures, tests, medicines and more. Those things happened here - for a reason - not in Europe.

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This comment was really for Rob O above. I put it in the wrong thread:

You understand that a non profit can still make hand over fist off of taxpayer money? Non profit is just the filing status.

http://www.philly.com/philly/education/Philly_Charters_schools_building_...

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You do realize there are requirements to invoke the non-profit filing status, right?

I read that article. What's the point you are making with it?

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You seem to have a hard time grasping that charters "make money" even if the filing status is non profit.

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"Make money" is a very imprecise term. Let's say that's true. What is your concern? Are you concerned that there are people (investors?) who have put forward money to start the charter and are now extracting money from the charter school? That has been my understanding of this criticism of charter schools, which I believe to be untrue in Massachusetts.

I'm being sincere, I don't understand what the concern is.

An example of the imprecision of that term: district school teachers "make money" by teaching in district schools. That money comes from the taxpayers. But that has never been a concern for anyone.

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I am ONLY responding to your repeated statements that charters are non profits. It doesn't matter. They can still be scamming people. People can still be getting rich off of them. They can still be a waste of taxpayer dollars. The fact that they are non profits is irrelevant. That is my only point.

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How could people be getting rich off of charter schools in MA given the fact that for profits cannot operate them? HOW? That is my question.

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“Private” does not implicitly mean profit motive. It just means not run by the state, and generally speaking is far more responsive to its customers. Stop conflating the two.

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We are also a nation of 315 million, so you cant really compare to European nations. Apples to oranges.

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Privatize 93 and 95, sell them off to private companies that can install tolls and run them more efficiently.

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I have three words for you - Indiana Toll Road

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If traffic actually flowed and my suspension wasn't being destroyed every time I used them, I'd gladly pay a small toll.

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Called in sick to attend this protest?

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tell us anonazi.

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If I was making over $100,000 and could take off 57 days / year for driving a bus, and was in a job where I basically couldn't get fired, I'd fight tooth and nail against any changes too

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I don't want my bus drivers bid out to the lowest contract when they hauling a lot of people around a city street with bikes, cars, and pedestrians to contend with. Sometimes it is okay to pay for experience and competency.

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If you build it they will come - secret man cave at train yard.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/12/15/surpr...

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Except you get a bunch of lazy a$$holes constantly yapping on their cell phones instead of "experience and competency."

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The T drivers are already crashing due to using their cell phones, they just can’t be fired as easily. If they could, we wouldn’t have nearly as many of these problems for an absurdly inflated pay scale.

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we're bashing bus drivers... this past Friday evening, on Centre Street in JP, at the tail-end of rush hour, I saw once again the classic 3-4 buses-in-a-row parade that is so common with MBTA buses. But to make it even better, one bus pulled over to the bus stop; the bus immediately behind it, decided to cross the double yellow line against oncoming traffic to go around the stopped bus. A BPD patrol SUV in traffic in the opposite direction immediately turned its lights on and buzzed its sirens at the passing bus. The officer got out of his car and marched over to the passing bus (now both lanes of traffic were blocked) and proceeded to launch into an angry tirade at the bus driver - in the end, he had the bus driver pull over a couple blocks farther up the street and wrote him a ticket.

IMHO - that was justice. I for one am tired of seeing parades of extra-long buses screwing up traffic on small streets, driving around like thugs in traffic.

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then "correcting" it afterwards, quietly, when the public had already latched on. That report had a lot of good sound bites that were later debunked by people actually looking at the facts. For example, the 57 number includes days where the employee was at work but not driving a bus - attending a mandatory training class, for example. Also military leave, jury duty, maternity leave, etc.

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Didn't the latest report indicate that many of the "no show" busses last year were due to absenteeeism? You disagree that T workers absenteeism is a problem?

I know T workers and believe me, they make sure they take everything they've got coming to them plus some. Rigging sick time and overtime is flagrant. In my company - people would be fired for some of the things I hear.

There is a happy medium but no one will ever be able to discuss it because of the screaming from the unions.

While I appreciate and respect T workers who work under some severe conditions, when their union starts the usual antics, I tune it out and I think the general public loses a bit of sympathy.

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Didn't the latest report indicate that many of the "no show" busses last year were due to absenteeeism? You disagree that T workers absenteeism is a problem?

But define absenteeism? FLMA? Sick? Military Duty?

These reports do not differentiate between any of those, it just gets lumped into one category.

And also, see my comment below about overtime. If you can't get people to fill in, yeah the bus doesn't leave.

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FMLA and military duty is usually planned time off. To take an FMLA - you usually apply for it, it's not like you call in one morning and say I'm taking 3 days FMLA - at least with my HR experience. Same with military time.

No, this was high absenteeism on the snow storm days. I have many military in my family and no one has ever been called and told to report the same day.

Even the T realizes it's a problem:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/14/mbta-says-working-curb-abse...

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Not necessarily, if you have intermittent time approved for caring for a chronically ill relative. Emergency appt with the oncologist could be a call-out.

Less common, but it happens.

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From Pages 41-43 http://www.mbta.com/uploadedfiles/About_the_T/Board_Meetings/FMCB60dayRe...

Workforce issues: Improving productivity, reducing absenteeism

The legislation establishing the FMCB calls on it to address workforce issues facing the MBTA, including productivity improvements and reductions in employee absenteeism, which significantly degrade both the MBTA’s operational and financial performance and the experience of the system’s users. The absence of operators is the leading cause of dropped trips on both buses and the subway, causing inconvenience and delay for MBTA customers.

Operator Absence is the Leading Driver of Lost Trips for Bus, Heavy and Light Rail January – August* 2014 vs. 2015

2014
Operator Absence (Caused 72.8% of dropped trips)

  • FMLA 37%
  • SICK 16%
  • OTHER 47%

2015
Operator Absence (Caused 68.7% of dropped trips)

  • FMLA 47%
  • SICK 21%
  • OTHER 32%

Of $53 million spent on overtime by the MBTA in FY2015, $11 million was caused by the need to cover vacant positions and unscheduled absences.

  • $7M Unscheduled Absense
  • $4M Vacancy
  • $3M Scheduled Absence

The FMCB’s workforce committee has undertaken a series of diagnostic and operational steps that will continue into next year. By the time of the next FMCB report in December, additional steps taken will include executing the absenteeism plan currently under development; developing policies to quantify the trade-off between hiring fulltime employees versus the use of overtime; and creation of a plan to address current vacancies and future workforce needs, especially in view of the aging/retirement-potential of the current MBTA workforce.
In addition, interviews are underway to hire a Leave Manager for the MBTA. One of the manager’s initial tasks is a full audit of the 2000 MBTA employees – nearly one-third of all MBTA employees – who are currently FMLA eligible.

MassDOT

  • Active FMLA Certification 6.8%
  • Employee Count 3,958
  • FMLA Certified 268

MBTA

  • Active FMLA Certification 31.7%
  • Employee Count 6,462
  • FMLA Certified 2,046

The FMCB’s efforts regarding workforce are not limited to productivity alone. The FMCB will also seek to explore issues related to potential volume and gravity of future vacancy forecasts, the efficacy of compensation systems, and the efficiency of current human resources and hiring practices.

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Your point is? There is admitted abuse with the FMLA. Supervisors not managing the benefit properly.

So abuse of FMLA is OK?

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" But define absenteeism? FLMA? Sick? Military Duty? These reports do not differentiate between any of those, it just gets lumped into one category."

"FMLA and military duty is usually planned time off. "

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The above shows it is NOT people calling in sick as much as it is FLMA and it is being aboved.

The report does show the difference between FLMA Sick and Military Duty (Other).

It is also gives a dollar costs to the absenteeism (planned & unplanned) and a plan to address the amount of absenteeism.

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n/t

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Those are problems with police and fire unions too, but why are conservatives so defensive of them but yell and scream about the same issues in other workers, especially public transit. Should we privative police, fire, all the highways, etc?

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Not sure you you're directing that at, but why is it not ok to talk about public employees? Why so protective?

Taxpayers have "skin in the game" and shouldn't it concern anyone when public employees seemingly game the system?

I will never understand why this is something that shouldn't be talked about.

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I think we can all agree with the extremely important role public employees play in our society. However, the difference as you mentioned tax payers "skin in the game.". When private sector employees 'screw up' or abuse FMLA/other benefits or cant perform their given job - its at no cost to the tax payers. To me that is a huge difference.

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Thank the unions for your 40 hour work week, OT pay, holidays, weekends, etc.

Union busting has done one thing - take down the middle class. Middle class people also deserve the right to make a good living - it shouldn't be just for the rich.

Yes, are there some things that unions need to fix? Of course but all in all they have been great for workers in this country.

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Nope, thank Henry Ford.

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Most middle class are not members of a union.

Seeing tax money wasted should be a concern for everyone, especially when the need is so great.

Yes, I will thank the unions of 70+ years ago and Henry Ford for what they did.

It's really hard to take the unions of today very seriously....

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I agree. Tax $ waste is a concern for everyone but the hating on unions is a tad ridiculous. Like I said, are there issues with them? Yes. Are there bad apples in them that will take advantage? Of course. But do they serve a good purpose? IMO they do. Imagine what corporations would be doing without them today.

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That's what my * post was above. I said it and just deleted it (not feeling it for a debate about this today).

But yes, that 57 number is very misleading because it does include all of what you said. It's been debunked on a number of occasions.

Let's also make it very clear that 100k is a crock also. I know many many many bus drivers, and most do not even come close to that. The other thing that these 'salaries' include is overtime. My bus driver friends work many hours of OT, and that adds up. very quickly. It's not like people MAKE that much money to start off with normal hours?

Why are they working OT? Because on top of their daily routes and shifts they drive, they often have to come in for shuttlebuses for things like the "Winter Resilancy" programs. The money to pay the drivers doesn't come out of thin air.

Maybe if we had working, reliable equipment, OT wouldn't be so much. It's a catch 22.

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Hmmm, my neighbor just recently retired from MBTA (in his 50's mind you), would tell me how they rigged the overtime. A buddy would call in a planned sick day (very common) and give the shift to a friend to get the OT. Then there was some splitting of cash somehow.

(Planned sick days???)

Really, I like my neighbor very much but he had no issues explaining to me how the workers rig the system.

Anyone that denies that has their head in the sand. Also, to ignore that it is part of the problem is what makes me, and many others, take the union with a grain of salt.

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That's just one person (okay, TWO people)

I can give you five who will say the opposite. *shrug*

You're always going to have a few bad apples anywhere you work. That's a given. But saying one is a precedent for all is a just a bad example.

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I agree with the "bad apple" scenario but it's hard to respect a union when it seems their main purpose is protecting all those bad apples with tax payer money.

I do have a problem with public unions, as you can tell.

And to top it off, the MBTA admits it's a problem. Why can't you?

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And to top it off, the MBTA admits it's a problem. Why can't you?

Actually I never said anywhere in this thread that I didn't believe it was a problem. Just because I am making points and debating someone, doesn't necessarily mean it's my opinion of the matter.

(and my original point to the OP on this thread was about the 57 days comment, not absenteeism)

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Where you been Cybah? These are never one-offs. One generation always cares for the next on the presumption they will be taken care of when their turn comes.

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Put your money where your mouth is...

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You need examples? Like I said - if you need examples you haven't been paying attention. They are too numerous to mention, but they are in the Globe and the Herald a couple times a month. Some small, some not so small - but their numbers are legion.

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They don’t have to be making $100k as pay to be compensated for that much. Benefits ain’t cheap.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-30/benefits-are-the-new-s...

In lieu of higher salaries, employers are offering plusher benefits packages to attract and retain talent, a new survey suggests.

In a report on more than 450 employers surveyed by the Society of Human Resource Management, 35 percent cited bigger benefits packages, compared to 28 percent the year before.

Particularly expensive are the generally lavish relative to the private working class benefits (eg: the ones paying for everything) that unions are able to secure.

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$7M of the Total $53M FY15 Overtime Spend is due to unscheduled absences. So 13%...

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As of 2013 here are the salaries for those in the "Bus Transportation" department:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/databases/payroll?database=9&ye...

I took out the names and the garage they are out of...
Bus drivers are called "Operator,Surface" and here is what I am left with:

Job title Gross earnings Annual salary
Operator,Surface $192,440.45 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $137,046.15 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $118,203.73 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $109,590.66 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $109,392.12 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $108,450.79 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $107,920.08 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $106,926.56 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $106,848.26 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $105,567.85 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $105,175.46 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $105,110.68 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $104,860.15 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $104,669.03 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $104,662.01 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $104,208.09 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $103,800.59 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $101,503.10 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $101,477.30 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $101,460.59 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $100,723.67 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $100,085.80 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $100,002.66 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $99,223.53 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $99,154.25 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $98,607.02 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $98,280.61 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $98,087.70 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $98,071.82 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $97,754.93 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $97,739.26 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $97,652.24 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $97,481.36 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $97,341.52 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,976.13 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,911.19 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,742.45 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,729.78 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,715.66 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,694.26 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,467.25 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,305.16 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,080.81 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,073.82 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $96,047.19 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $95,978.65 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $95,883.70 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $95,379.91 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $95,304.77 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $95,160.53 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $95,060.52 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,974.92 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,905.94 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,370.43 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,360.51 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,304.56 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,287.42 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,286.24 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $94,149.12 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $93,895.23 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $93,890.40 $62,774.40
Operator,Surface $93,782.27 $62,774.40

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Has anyone else been experiencing a lot of bus breakdowns lately?

For the past two months or so, I've been on a bus that breaks down at least once a week. I can count on one hand the number of times I've experienced this before, in 20+ years of riding. I mostly ride buses out of the Quincy garage (bus #s 2_ _).

Curious if this is happening elsewhere, or if I'm just especially lucky lately.

Also seems to be a lot of Charlie Card failures (expirations?) the last week or so.

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and I'm sure they've heard this before - a lot - but:

whenever I hear "Carmen's Union", I think of Spanish women in red and black dresses with roses between their teeth.

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;-)

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"Please Don't Squeeze the Carmen"

My husband might still have his.

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Privatization = A Weld Scam

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Republican Patronage

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