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Leading statewide, 51-48 and citywide, 51-41.

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Marty's Army at work!

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how few of the masses of young white guys have been at their usual jobs in city hall over the last month.. .

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You're feeling "the bern" for real now.

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I've grown tired of people attacking Bernie Sanders, especially from Hillary supporters.

Look, last time I checked, it's a free country and we're given the right to vote. Who you vote for is your own business, and you really have no right at all to criticize others who they vote for.

Now I may think Donald Trump is a total jackass, and I wouldn't vote for him in a million years, and yes I will continue to dog him everywhere as a candidate, but its your vote, you do have a right that is written into the Constitution to vote, so if you choose to vote for Trump. Go ahead. I may not agree with you, but it is your right to do so, and I won't criticize you for doing so. I will, however, criticize you for supporting such a candidate, but if that's who you want to vote for in the voting booth, then so do it. At least you voted, and that's important, when many others do not.

And as far as Hillary supporters. I wouldn't exactly be alienating Bernie voters right now. Remember, I can just stay home in November. I think Hillary is going to need every vote to win, so it's in her and her supporters best interest to lay off the Bernie bashing right now.

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Trump gets elected. Then complain about Trump. Makes sense.

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key word there is "can" not "will". Big difference.

I never said I didn't like Hillary. I just like Bernie more.

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happening. He's doing a good job at holding Clintons feet to the fire. He'll make a great Secretary of Labor.

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vote for Trump over Hillary Clinton. It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for another Bush or Clinton- They are on the SAME TEAM.
Trump is a jackass, douchebag loser who probably couldn't pass a 5th grade civics class, so the fact that I believe in him more than I do Hillary is REALLY saying something.

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I saw the same ad about 4 times, and the ad was the same "1% this" and "wall street that". As much as Trump is criticized for being to general with his issues, I think the same thing hurts Bernie. Too many general ideas that many people don't see as viable solutions.

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That's pretty much the only ad he has, and the only message he has. What to do about Syria? We need to hold Wall St. accountable.

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HRC's been airing the same goddamn ad about "the hardest job in the world" ad nauseum as well. At least Sanders is referring to his platform - tired as you may be of hearing about it. Clinton is, has been, and will likely continue to be all about buzzwords.

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Look, last time I checked, it's a free country and we're given the right to vote. Who you vote for is your own business, and you really have no right at all to criticize others who they vote for.

Freedom is only great when it applies to you. Got it.

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Who you VOTE FOR and WHO YOU SUPPORT are very different things. Many things can happen once you enter the voting booth. You may walk in thinking you'll vote for one person, but at the last minute, you may decide differently.

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You're sick of people attacking Sanders, yet you'll continue to attack Trump? You don't think that's a bit of a double standard?

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n/t

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is why they are called LIEBERALS

close the thread folks, we're done here.

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We don't.

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and if you truly had any idea of what was going on you'd realize that my posting tends to run towards the anti-clever (or maybe counter-clever)

but yeah, go ahead and tell me how you're totally in the know, and cite your teenage kids as to why you "get the internet" again

the only time citing your teenagers has probably ever made somebody nod sagely and agree with you is if you were talking about the grocery bill

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****immediately bashes other candidate****

The merits of fascism are becoming more and more obvious with each passing election cycle.

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I still will remain critical of Donald Trump. He's just deserves it. Bernie, Hillary, Cruz, Rubio and others have some faults. But Trump for this country will be disaster and everyone with a brain knows it.

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Second, everybody bashing your dude feels equally justified.

You're not dumb. You understand how this works. Though I guess if we are being fair, you did say you wished people would leave your dude alone, not that they had no right to come at him.

But this is what we have signed up for in this toxic bipartisan political climate. We are reaping everything we have sown. Even your third party guy had to hop under the Democratic umbrella. Sad really. Not for him, but for all of us. Hell, even Trump is effectively doing the same thing imo.

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Second, everybody bashing your dude feels equally justified.

No, not when both candidates are trying to run for the same ticket (Democrat). Unity is what is needed in the party. I think that's where i was getting at.

GOP bashing the Democrats and the Democrats bashing the GOP have been going on for a very long time. That isn't going to change anytime soon, and it's pretty par for the course in an election year.

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that you feel that the people that are against sanders feel LESS justified in that endeavor than you feel you are in your own?

k, sure dude.

oh, i dont disagree that trump is a disaster btw. i think if i could sacrifice my life to destroy this rancid cancer that is the GOP and their even more right leaning ilk i'd consider it

which is sad considering that the party really used to stand for at least some decent ideas, but i cant really sign up to be against gays, against women, against science

it struck me as disheartening the other day that the first two real serious latino contenders for president are absolutely terrifying and not in that cool sofia vergara way

and one is a canadian to boot ><

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Didn't say that. You did.

Done arguing with you. It's clear you just want to start a fight.

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....

me: Second, everybody bashing your dude feels equally justified.
you: no,

me: so you're telling me that you feel that the people that are against sanders feel LESS justified in that endeavor than you feel you are in your own?

then you accuse me of starting a fight

ok, i copied and pasted shit directly so i guess im starting fights

i'm saying that people's conviction about their own candidate is no less great than yours and that you are a mirror image of what they're saying. you can replace your fervent support of sanders and replace his name with any candidate and it all reads like the exact same pile of expected and logical dung.

but yeah, im starting fights. you'll know when im just starting fights, i dont generally employ subtlety when i think somebody is being a stain

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The above was edited after I posted my reply.

And you didn't complete my quote. I said..

No, not when both candidates are trying to run for the same ticket

But whatever.. done replying.

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i didnt edit anything relevant, all i added to it was that i agreed with you about trump, which doesnt change anything. you're done replying? good, you haven't said anything worthwhile to begin with. you were done replying before you even started.

people gunning after politicians on the same ticket happens all the damned time you dunglord, its called a primary. stop trying to qualify a situation to where you feel like you're justified for being an absolute hypocrite, because holy hell do i feel stupid for saying you aren't dumb now.

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So you've resorted to name calling.. great. Your validity of any of your posts just went out the window.

Thanks for playing.

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so this is what, the third time you've decided not to reply? i bet that when you saw i called you out for being such a master of feces you were ELATED you had an out and didnt feel the need to address the rest of what i was saying.

keep rolling in the dung, lord.

thanks for playing? you think this is a game? you think you won? you never won. you never had a point.

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"And as far as Hillary supporters. I wouldn't exactly be alienating Bernie voters right now."

After all, she won with a 51 percent landslide in a state that hubby was calling her second home or some other such BS.

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51% is hardly a landslide..

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48 is a landslide for Bernie. He did great.

For him to get that many votes against an entrenched party insider is epic. I believe among some folks she was expected to mop the floor with him.

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Isn't Martha's vineyard literally their second home

And also cybah his point was exactly that- 51% is a close race in a place where the candidate refers to as her second home.

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One of their "second homes", remember they're regular american who were dead broke when they left the White House.

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How do they afford a second home??

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so they dont really pay taxes, duhh!

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If Hillary is a protected species by the justice department for political reasons and gets elected, she'll get impeached the day she is sworn in. Pay close attention to her VP choice - because if elected, that person will probably be president. What she did is not akin to Condoleeza or Colin. It's akin to what Petraeus did and look what happened to him. She deserves the same or more.

Hillary is one of the most competent of the candidates. Her problem, and her husband's, is that as lawyers they feel there is a gray area between legal and illegal and exploit that. She is simply not an honest person has zero principles which is why I have decided not to vote for her (nor will I vote for Trump, Cruz or Rubio for other reasons).

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Hillary is one of the most competent of the candidates. Her problem, and her husband's, is that as lawyers they feel there is a gray area between legal and illegal and exploit that. She is simply not an honest person has zero principles which is why I have decided not to vote for her (nor will I vote for Trump, Cruz or Rubio for other reasons).

Amazingly enough I agree with you on this!

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That reminds me of an old movie.

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you really have no right at all to criticize others who they vote for.

umm... wouldn't that pretty much be the essence of political debate that is essential for the proper functioning of a democracy?

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What about the Republicans. Don't be Bias!

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Yes, the Republicans held a primary yesterday. Sadly, George Pataki only got 24 votes in Boston.

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won Chelsea!

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Matt Frank called the elections department and verified that he did win.

Truthfully, only 600 voters voted republican in Chelsea...

Edit: Adding direct quotes from twitter

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Now who won the GOP State Committee seat? Those races were a battle royal between the Governor and the Mass Fiscal Alliance slate. Quite intriguing.

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The "this" I was referring to was the Tweet I retweeted that said that blog was entering our data as if the entire column was shifted down one slot which made sense. Which made it Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Kasich instead of Gilmore, Cruz, Bush.... or whatever the order was. As soon as I saw it I thought "Yeah, no way did Gilmore win Chelsea." In theory since less then 700 votes were cast in Chelsea (we like our Democrats) it is possible that a person could easily sway that vote. Although to the best of my knowledge the only Prez candidate in Chelsea yesterday was Democrat Rocky De leFuenta.

I was in contact with the City Manager this morning and they are working on getting this in order for the official tallies.

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The Mass GOP statement after the primary didn't even mention Trump. That is how much of an embarrassment he is.

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people that changed their party registration from Democrat to independent or a small minority republican. Of course this is the BIG story coming out of yesterday. Trump...who... what...State committee races..what state committee races

The Republican party 1854-2016. Good night Irene.

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What about all the conservative people who said they were voting for Coakley in the last primary to help Baker have an easier time (Grossman most people thought would have had a better chance). Jacoby even wrote in the Globe he did something similar in voting for Sanders yesterday, even though he is really right wing, because Hillary is stronger against the GOP in the general.

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I love watching voting patterns. Trump won a lot of votes in lower middle class and working class towns but also in towns where middle class whites with two cars, a four bedroom house, and good paychecks are present because of course; they are losing it all because of the socialist, fascist, negro in the White House now.

It was so much fun watching the anger with people my age yesterday in my almost to very well to do town. They know under 5% unemployment, $1.65 gas, and a strong dollar are destroying this country. But what is really is is a black guy is in charge that might be replaced by a woman. That is their issue.

Also, the traditional upper and middle class Jewish areas of Greater Boston; Brookline, Newton, Needham, Wayland, Marblehead, Swampscott, Sharon went strong against the Jewish guy. Go figure.

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Not MA, but Oklahoma. where Bernie won every county except the metropolitan areas. And considering OK is pretty red.. this says alot.

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majority of Black people live. Seems to be an unfair but realistic theme for Bernie.

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From my understanding, Hillary isn't exactly a family fav with African Americans due to the 2008 Election.

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primary.....?

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n/t

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or you'd ralize black America is definitively siding with Hillary for some odd reason.

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And reading articles written by a minority of a minority doesn't change the fact that bubba and fam are and always will be hugely popular with af am voters

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"From my understanding, Hillary isn't exactly a family fav with African Americans due to the 2008 Election."

I seem to remember that it came out that it was Hillary's people that started the Kenyan birther rumors.

Face it, the president is a Keynesian, I'm convinced of it.

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"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii." -- Harvard Law Review '91 and Acton & Dystel, Obama's literary agent, on his sell-sheet submitted to publishers

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As corrupt as the Clinton's are, it was Obama himself, not Hillary, who claimed he was born in Kenya. Unless one believes that the writers at the Harvard Law Review pulled the information out of thin air and snuck it by the editor, who was Obama himself. Obama's literary agents at Acton & Dystel proudly circulated the born in Kenya meme on his sell sheet distributed to potential publishers at that time. Of course, this information was barely reported when the media vilified anyone who repeated what Obama's own Harvard Law Review and literary agent claimed. No doubt, some of Trump's appeal comes from his willingness to challenge the dishonest media.

As for Bernie losing by 1% in MA, the media could earn back a smidgen of credibility if it investigates polling places being shut down hours in advance of Bill Clinton's electioneering. I've heard numerous complaints that Bernie supporters simply turned around and went home not to mention others already inside the polling place who were swayed by Bill. It won't change anything but may further confirm the Clinton's unscrupulous ways.

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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp

The money quote:

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

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And yet, they're still voting for her in droves for some reason. I'd tear my hair out if I thought about it any length of time, which is why I instead just sigh and move on to thinking about other things.

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Is how it compares to the typical general election map of Oklahoma. The areas won by Clinton are the areas where Obama was closest to Romney in 2012 (in those two counties, Romney had less than a 10% lead), and where McCain's lead was smallest in 2008. Oklahoma County and Muskogee County went for Clinton. Besides Cherokee County, those are the two counties with the highest Democratic vote in Oklahoma in general elections.

Remember that there are actually more registered Democrats than Republicans in Oklahoma. And only registered party members can vote in primary elections in Oklahoma.

What this means is that the areas with more Democrats who always vote for the Democrat in the general election voted for Hillary, but the areas with more Democrats who usually vote Republican in the general election went for Bernie.

When the general election comes around, these registered Democrats who usually vote Republican (we can call them Reagan Democrats) might vote for Bernie in the general election but probably won't vote for Hillary.

Surprisingly, Bernie has more crossover popularity. Even Jeff Jacoby voted for him.

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Kasich won in Brookline, and then sprinkled up through other wealthy towns from Dover, Sherborn, Wellesley, Weston, Concord, Lincoln, etc.

Trump dominated Mass as a whole though.

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" But what is really is is a black guy is in charge that might be replaced by a woman. That is their issue. "

Or a $20 trillion deficit. Or Putin ready to turn the Ukraine into his little playground. Or Estonia looking to the West and seeing...nothing. Or Finland setting up a militia of over 400,000 men. And women.
Or the Middle East teetering on the brink. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Iran are in a not-so-small proxy war in the Sudan. I don't know what the hell is going on in Somalia. You can read all about it in Hillary's emails...KSA is sitting on $800 billion, but if things heat up, that won't last long.
Or a total clusterf**k where a fairly stable country used to be. Ha, fooled you, I meant Libya. Talk about an unforced error. The loss of an Ambassador and three other folks that put up a fight for quite a while. Quite a while. There are over one hundred and fifty radical Islamic type groups in Syria.
Or total race-baiting in this country. Or a Department of Education (Dear Colleague...) that forces universities to act as judge, jury and executioner in any sexual harassment/fondling/alleged rape case...because the police have never done it before.
Less than five percent unemployment? Right...
$1.65 a gallon gas is not a good thing. The world is awash with oil. OPEC cranked the spigots just as China began slowing down. We'll see how long it lasts, but wells don't get turned off and on like a light switch.
How about negative interest rates? Happening in Europe. The ECB wants to kill the 500 euro note to force folks to keep their money in the bank, or as they call it 'fight crime'. Can't happen here, right?

So...save your bullshit. People have plenty of reason to believe that the most incompetent administration in American history shouldn't be succeeded by one of the key players in that administration.
The world is a very dangerous place at the moment. Maybe Trump isn't the best we can do, but Hillary has a proven track record of incompetence.

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That's not his fault! The GOP Congress (which wasn't the case for part of his admin) caused ALL of those things.

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It's totally-otally all his fault. He inherited a f'ing playground full of rainbows and fairy sprinkles and he just RUINED EVERYTHING.

Honestly...go down your list and pluck out all of the things that were going swimmingly before Obama took office.

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precious metals (always smart to invest in when you think the end is coming), brass (for those shell casings!), all of those industries were MUCH better off before obummer took office.

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i just dont like him because he's black

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repeat of W's colossal blunder in Iraq -- but the rest of your analysis is 180 degrees off the mark.

Deficit? The GOP owns the vast majority of that, mostly from two unfunded wars and huge tax cuts for the very rich dating back to Reagan.

Middle East teetering on the brink? That's all directly traceable to W's idiotic war in Iraq, the consequences of which both his dad and even Cheney (when he was working for HW) predicted in their justification for not deposing Sadaam.

Putting race-baiting on the Democrats? That would be funny if it weren't a horrific lie: that's been the core strategy of the GOP since Nixon, and half the raison d'etre of its press handmaiden Fox News. Trump's rise is largely those chickens coming home to roost. He's essentially a National Front candidate in a Brioni suit: there's a skinhead pate hiding beneath those awful hair implants.

Cheap gas? Not in the President's control, unless you count support for fracking to increase domestic production, which both parties have enabled but the GOP spearheaded.

Obama pulled us out of the giant economic sinkhole caused by the most incompetent adminstration in US history, but he's not a miracle worker. Spare us the rest of your delusions about the sources of the ills in this country.

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i assume by W you mean Dub Dubs? as in, Woodrow?

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Funny how you mentioned only problems in other countries. Obama isn't president of those countries. You are a complete fool if you think the US was better off under Bush than now. Bush handed Obama the worst economy in 70 years, 2 awful wars, and a huge deficit(which has thankfully shrunk from 9.8 in 2008 to 2.5 now under Obama).

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its that US presidents have a hugely overwhelming amount of control over the US economy

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QE 1
QE 2

and QE 3

Obama (and Congress) had nothing to do with fixing it.

Yay Janet and Ben - not Barry (although there will eventually be a price to pay for zero interest rates - in addition to the price the savers in America are already paying).

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Unfortunately it looks like Sanders won't get his chance to audit the Fed and shine some light on QE. Maybe Trump will, but it's impossible to know what he'll do if he's elected.

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Four more years of gridlock.

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Cambridge is full of baby boomers who are tied to the financial markets and don't want things changing.

Somerville has less affluent and far younger people struggling with student loans.

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However, Hillary is pushing for student loan reform...

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If you believe that HRC will do anything to alienate the professional usurers who've commandeered "financial aid" for students in the country, then I have a bridge to sell you.

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It's partly generational, but it's also socioeconomic: Sanders did better among the less wealthy, while Clinton did better among the more wealthy. (This says she did best among people making $50K or more; I think the Globe had it at people making $100K or more.)

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