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“I know the mayor, I know he doesn’t like being told he’s wrong, doesn’t like being questioned,” McGrath told the paper.

LOL. That quote should be about the leaders of police unions, who are perhaps the most dangerous people in America right now. They literally turn their backs and shout down anyone who suggests they should stop killing minorities.

How about this: if cops can go a month without shooting an innocent, unarmed black person, they'll take down the banner. Charles Kinsey was shot in Miami while taking care of his autism patient 3 days ago so start the timer from there. I bet it never comes down, unfortunately.

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...are the terrible unions that everyone who hates unions think all unions are like.

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SEIU!

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The people who have to clean up your shit [often literally] have some bargaining power.

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I highly, highly doubt the building maintenance staff has *any* input into the negotiations.

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The police officer cleans it up. I've cleaned up about 4 shits, 47 pukes, and about 87 pisses in my career.

(Oh forgot, I had to clean up a semen stain once inside the car)

(Oh forgot again, one time a guy took a Yankee Candle out of his ass and left it in the back seat, does that count when I cleaned that up?)

(The above stats do not include the hundreds dead bodies that I've had to roll over that may have internally exploded with gas/fluids on me after sitting dead for a few hours/days/weeks/months)

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So if you dont like it go do something else

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Your reading comprehension skills are low. My comment was in response to another who insinuated that the police don't have to clean up shit. I never said I hated it or loved it.

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Dude, a lot of people have to handle nasty shit for their jobs. When I was making minimum wage slinging popcorn in college, I had to spend one night after the midnight showings cleared out scrubbing somebody's diarrhea from all over the bathroom sink. My friends in human services get actively shit on, and also have their (mentally ill, brain damaged, dementia afflicted) patients trying to attack them while they do it.

I don't know about the brutality issues, but cops definitely have the biggest martyr complex / whiny baby syndrome of any profession.

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Name me one other job where you get to deal with violent, often gun-toting thugs on a daily basis.

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Convenience store clerk.
Taxi driver.
Gas station attendant.

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All three of those professions have to dealwith gun toting people like once a year if that. Most cops don't even deal with gun toting people every day, but lets get serious here.

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Read the context of the conversation.

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From BLM we get which has specific reform proposals that would work to reduce police violence and improve the lives of all Americans. This includes "use of force" guidelines that apply to the shooting in Miami.

Police Unions work against reform, BLM works for reform.

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One of the proposals by the leader of BLM Boston is to defund the police, so I guess you're right, they do have specific proposals.

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And have been backed by pretty much every lawyer, judge and jury you can find that has a brain. Even Obama has backed it up time and time again.

What happened in Miami would be against any use of force policy today, so how is that relevant?

In fact, if you look at any Massachusetts police departments use of force policy, they are actually more strict than the ones outlined by BLM, and that proposal even cites actual policies from the department.

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The cop who shot that guy gets a paid vacation and then will likely NOT be fired or charged with assault. If I accidentally shoot someone in the street I go to jail, period. The fact is of all the police shootings of civilians that have happened in the last couple of years 99.99% of them have not been indicted, some of them not even charged. This is a systemic problem. The unions fight tooth and nail for their guys. Pete, I know you are a cop so it hits close to home but BLM is not a movement against police per se. It is a movement calling to attention the issue of police brutality on the minority community, which no one can deny exists with a straight face.
It takes longer to be certified to hand a dentist instruments and clean someone's teeth than it does to go through Police Academy and earn your license to kill. That is a problem that needs to be addressed.

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First off, cops do lose their jobs and it is not uncommon. This cop in Miami broke their use of force policy and would have broken the policy the BLM proposes so that does make it irrelevant in my opinion. Now the cop probably panicked and fired by mistake. That doesn't excuse his actions. Is it criminal? (meaning should he go to jail.) I don't know. His intent isn't criminal it was reckless, but using a dangerous weapon is also part of his job and that's an argument there too.

Cops use force. It is a part of their job. When they use force and hurt someone, they go on paid leave for several reasons, most of all because that is the way labor law is setup (I'm not even talking about civil service), as jobs are deemed property by law.

Cops don't get indicted for several reasons, most of all because they need to use a split second decision when force is presented to them. And actually, most of them don't get charged for that reason.

Unions fight for them because unions are a collective group where people pool money together to get attorneys to defend them. I don't understand why people always fail to see this concept.

I really don't care about the BLM movement and I agree for the most part that they are peaceful groups calling attention to police brutality. But when a politician wants to put up a black lives matter poster up, it is a political statement that is going to get a certain group mad. What if Tommy Chang put up some charter school slogan on the School Department buildings?

Police brutality is wrong but you won't find any police officer defend those cases where brutality is used. The problem is I don't think the general public understands why, how and where force can be used. That is a problem in my opinion.

Being a cop is a 1.5 year process that starts with a background check/mental health assesment/physical fitness test and ends in a 1,080 hour/27 week academy (not including study time). I don't know how much more you can train them if that is what you are asking.

Boston is now at a disadvantage because D. Patrick cut the Quinn Bill payments that wealthier towns can subsidize fully. That takes a lot of college graduates away from the BPD as well.

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for answering some of my talking points, first of all. I grew up in a family with a lot of LEOs in our midst, so I am not your average Cop-hater. I do have respect for the position. That being said, the things we are witnessing now are despicable. The key word there is WITNESSING. This has been going on for a long, long time. BLM is bringing awareness so that politicians get off their ass and DO something about it *like funding through bills as you speak of). It needs to be an issue, politcally. To that end, they are succeeding, despite the crazies who commit atrocious acts in their name (Dallas, Baton Rouge), or at least as sympathizers to their cause. My father, a long time C.O. always told me when I was coming of age, that a cop has your life in his hands, the power to ruin your future, and to respect that fact. Now, being that I have less melanin in my skin than most of the people involved in the incidents we are speaking about, I have never really run into any type of escalation to the point of force with the police (there was in fact one time where I was assaulted by a State Trooper during a traffic stop). The fact is minorities encounter this aggression FAR more than some of us. NYC is a great example of a broken system, where they racially profile, thus arresting more people of their target races, then point to statistics saying "lookit how many minorities we arrest! Profiling works!" It's a snake eating it's own tail.
For ANYONE to be against BLM is something I just don't understand. It's like being against MLK and the civil rights movement. They're on the wrong side of history. That said I don't think it's earth shattering for a politician to take a stance of support for it. Cops are getting shot, right? So if they hang a "Blue lives matter" banner on city hall and people scream to take it down, and call the mayor an asshole for supporting it, how is that different? If the gangs get all riled up and angry at the mayor for supporting the police, should he just cave and take the banner down? No, I think not. The police force are their own gang, the biggest one in America. They operate above the law and beyond reproach. Ask a cop how many speeding tickets are on his record since joining the force. How many drunk and disorderly charges he has. Public urination? Smart money is on zero and these are just the minor everyday BS harrassments the rest of us have to deal with that can severely effect your life. The State Trooper who assaulted me had NO DISCIPLINE against him. I went to court and was happy just to not pay the outrageous ticket he wrote me or legal fees. It just killed a couple of days of my life is all.
To your point of training, the average training is 1.5 years. My point is it takes at least 2 to be a dental assistant, and they don't give you a gun at the end. The officer in MN who shot that guy with his lady and her kid in the car, WHY WAS HIS GUN DRAWN? The victim complied fully, and told him he had a license to carry and a gun on him. What criminal thug tells you politely he has a gun on him? Please, show me an example of that. There was a child in the car and this guy let off 4-5 shots at him? C'mon, man. Unless you are some kind of unhinged coward it is clear that standing above someone in a confined space puts you at a clear advantage. The officer could have unclipped his holster and kept his hand on his gun while asking this guy to do any number of things and at the slightest hint of trouble could have backed away from the vehicle quickly and drawn his weapon to get himself in a safe position, but the situation didn't even warrant THAT. Now there is a law abiding citizen dead (they don't just hand out license to carry permit to anyone). I have STILL not heard of charges being brought against that cop. Even filming does nothing. The police that killed Eric Gardner for selling loose cigarettes using an ILLEGAL choke hold was FILMED while doing it and got off. This is why people are angry. This is why there is nationwide calls for reform in policing and the criminal justice system. This is why cops are being shot.
I understand that crimianals will do/say anything, and there are a lot of dishonest people and scam artists out there, so a police officer cannot just trust everyone, but the odds are high that if me and my girl and a little kid were in that car instead no one would be dead. Its just a sad fact.

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Aaah yes, reform.
Here is a video posted by the head of BLM Boston.

https://www.facebook.com/daunasia.yancey/videos/10153940794924775/

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The BLM protesters in Dallas were glad the police "surveillance" was in place. What a foolish video she posted. They were beat cops, they weren't doing surveillance, they were there in case there was violence.

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An unarmed black man was shot to death by a Somerville/Boston/Cambridge cop was.... when? I can't remember any actually.

Oh yeah, there was that incident this week where the Boston cops were confronted by a black man sitting in a chair, threatening them with a pistol. How'd that work out?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/07/19/arrest/awSgp9PSmB4eEPV9EQUi...

And we all know that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly when Skipper Gates pulled the "Do you know who I am?" card on them. I guess that counts, in your world.

You have a serious case of Ferguson Envy, and you really need to get over it.

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This coming from the clowns who refused to carry narcan inhalers to save people from an overdose.

As a proud union member myself, I firmly believe that all police unions need to be abolished.

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Not sure if you're wrong or just made that up intentionally, but all Boston Police Officers carry narcan and use it on a regular basis.

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They actually carried the Narcan, and used it when Somerville asked them to.

Get your facts straight.

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/editorials/2014/10/01/somerville-pol...

Wow you are totally right. They didn't refuse, they only formally objected to carrying it and filed with the DLR.

Saying "I don't want to" and putting up roadblocks is totally different from refusing. My sincerest apologies.

Now get back to cleaning up puke.

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Clean day today!

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The letter seems a bit confused on whether it's OK to blame a whole group for the actions of a few.

It's not fair to blame all police for the actions of a few fringe elements.

All of BLM should suffer for the actions of a few fringe elements.

PS - Sigh. they cite breitbart to back up their opinions.

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I couldn't find them I'm sorry.

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And you put them in quote form which I took as being direct quotes, not your paraphrased version on what the union might think about a movement "suffering".

I don't think the union wants the BLM movement to "suffer", they want the mayor to take the sign down, or put another one up saying he supports his workers too.

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If the police union feels that they are not supported, then they (or their representatives) should take it up with the mayor, aside from the sign.

The Black Lives Matter movement, if you will, was created to bring awareness to the reality that black men, who have mostly done nothing wrong, are getting shot and/or killed by mostly white police officers. Saying "All Lives Matter", which, in itself is silly since all lives do matter, discounts that fact.

Here is a thought: If the police union, instead of getting all hot and bothered about signage, took a stand and said, "Yeah, there is a problem here with black men getting shot", or at least, showing some support of what has happened to those men, in the aggregate, well, that would be much more beneficial. Unfortunately, I have heard nil to none of that sentiment from those who wear the uniform who appear in the media.

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I disagree with the Police Union in general on this and find it very disappointing overall, but wow, calling Michael Brown a "thug" and implying that suspected robbery justifies a fatal shooting is totally unacceptable and way far over the line. Props to Mayor Joe for standing his ground. This letter would make me feel very unsafe if I were a black person living in Somerville.

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They quoted a "black civil rights leader" who seemed upset that Brown was being used as a Marytr.

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Being a robbery suspect normally does not justify a fatal shooting. Assaulting a cop and trying to take his gun, on the other hand, is an entirely different story. Pants up, don't loot!

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Based on all of the accounts of his behavior that I have read he absolutely was a thug though.

Doesn't mean he deserved to die for it, or that it is not possible that the cop overreacted and could have handled the situation without killing him.

But, if I were to determine the individual that is most at fault for the death of Mike Brown, it would be Mike Brown.

I wish groups like BLM focused on truly innocent victims like Philando Castille (he appears to be at this point) and Trayvon Martin. Them turning criminals into martyrs is highly disconcerting. The black supremacist leanings of some of their members and leaders are as well.

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"if I were to determine the individual that is most at fault for the death of Mike Brown, it would be Mike Brown"? for real?

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

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Based on all of the accounts of his behavior that I have read he absolutely was a thug though.

"Thug" is the way white people get around not being able to say "nigger" these days. Don't be that guy.

But, if I were to determine the individual that is most at fault for the death of Mike Brown, it would be Mike Brown.

...Are you sure it isn't the person who shot him to death with a gun?

I wish groups like BLM focused on truly innocent victims like Philando Castille (he appears to be at this point) and Trayvon Martin.

What, precisely, is the difference between "truly innocent" and just "innocent". And what grade of "innocent" does one have to be for me to feel outrage over their murder by those theoretically tasked to protect and serve?

The black supremacist leanings of some of their members and leaders are as well.

Hooray! Now you might have some vague, vague sense of what black people in America have dealt with for over 300 years!

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Maybe police departments around here would do the same if the Boston BLM "leaders" actually wanted to have a dialogue and didn't post videos of cops keeping them safe and accuse them of conduction surveillance.

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Somerville Police Chief stood by mayor's statement regarding the sign today.

http://somerville.wickedlocal.com/news/20160721/somerville-police-chief-...

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The mayor can fire him I believe.

The cops are free of political entanglements.

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Did he have to comment at all?

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And the mayor may have told/asked him to.

Usually police chiefs would have to make a comment on something that has now made some national headlines.

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I did feel like his words as quoted didn't come out with much enthusiasm. The undertone was "I'm doing this because I support the mayor, not the sentiment," if not "I'm being told I have to say this."

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I don't know the guy and didn't read/see what he said.

But most police chiefs are political appointments that sign 1-3 year contracts. I don't know the guy so I can't really speak for him either.

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I linked the article that quoted him, above. I took you at your word, but you could at least do your homework and read what I linked.

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I assumed they were just blurbs from a longer speech, sorry that is what I meant.

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