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No, the government hasn't bought land for internment camps in Cambridge, Mission Hill

AnasthesiaArt reports the signs went up this weekend at 380 Binney St, in Cambridge and 45 Terrace St. on Mission Hill. They're the work of a Los Angeles artist who calls himself Plastic Jesus.

H/t Saul Tannenbaum.

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not funny

And Plastic Jesus is no artist - or comedian.

Simply not anything - if I wander by one of these, I can assure you it will find a home in a trash can.

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Amazingly enough I agree with you. Not funny at all. Not even remotely funny.

We're already on edge, let's not add to it with fake crappola like this.

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Internment was a terrible chapter in our history and personal to friends and family.

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Internment was a terrible chapter in our history

Exactly. The point of these signs is to remind people of that history so we don't repeat it.

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as of yet, that the Trump Administration is even remotely considering this. Silly stuff like this serves no useful purpose.

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of Obama wiretapping phones during the election, either, and here we are.

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Of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia, but that doesn't stop the hysteria.

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But there are a lot more coincidental circumstances revolving around that in comparison to the baseless claim of Obama/wiretaps during the election season, so let's not sit here and pretend that's an apples-to-apples comparison.

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And...where exactly do you think we're heading now? Satire is powerful discourse. I think you need to direct your outrage to the people who are actually making this a new reality. Or are you OK with it if it doesn't affect you directly?

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And it's still a funny sign, and also may help prevent such a terrible chapter occurring again. But it's also playing on the whole right wing conspiracy theory about Obama and shuttered Wal-Marts being used as FEMA camps.

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Should we "not forget" the Holocaust by making jokes about it? Our treatment of Native Americans? Slavery?

Some things are off limits for jokes and sarcasm. This is on that list.

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Why do you think these signs are meant to be funny?

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Not sure I have a word for this. Just inappropriate on multiple levels.

If you don't understand that I can't help you.

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It's personal to me.

And I'd have no problem with someone posting an 'Arbeit macht frei" sign at, say f'rinstance, the headquarters of CCA, or a Zimbabwean diamond importer. It kinda drives the point home.

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It's not a joke. It's a warning.

I'm surprised that you, as someone who apparently feels passionately on the subject of internment, need to have that pointed out to you.

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against a Republican. Nuance and wit are not really their "thing" (see: conservative comedians....if you can find any). You just need to be the loudest voice to get through to them, doesn't translate well on the internet.

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Trust you are not referring to me. If so - you are barking up the very wrong tree.

Fiscally conservative - yes. Firm believer in separation of powers - and not having one party control all the marbles? Absolutely. Republican or Democrat - both labels make me cringe.

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What warning? As I have said, there is no evidence that the Trump Administration is considering internment camps.

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As I have said, there is no evidence that the Trump Administration is considering internment camps.

That's because you're either Humpty Dumpty or the See-No-Evil Monkey.

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It's not meant to be in the least bit amusing.

But it is an apropos bit of social and political commentary.

You're not supposed to like it.

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It was a hero Democrat, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who signed despicable Executive Order #9066 on February 19, 1942, forcing Japanese-Americans out of their homes and into internment camps. The sign maker got the E.O. number right, but shamelessly switched the name to our current Republican president who has proposed no such thing. Misuse of the Great Seal of the President is a serious crime. I hope Cambridge PD and the FBI are reviewing surveillance video near the site.

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If so, I think you might want to loosen it - not all the oxygen is getting up to where it belongs.

Yes, FDR signed the infamous executive order. Unlike Dear Leader's followers, Democrats are willing to acknowledge somebody they generally look favorably on made mistakes, some of them pretty grievous.

Now, why would an artist, or a writer, or somebody with a loosened tie, want to make a comparison between those internment camps and the current situation? It's a toughie, yes, but I'm sure you can figure it out.

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I no longer wear a tie except for the occasional formal event. The police neckties are clip-ons so that they tear away easily in a skirmish.

That said, I see no significance to President Trump ordering a tiny percentage of foreign, unvettable folks to stay home in their countries known for exporting terrorism and Roosevelt's ordering Americans out of their homes and into internment camps. A great Democrat! Please keep up your ridiculous comparisons. It only helps our President.

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How many cops did you tangle with that you have so many of their ties?

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I'm not saying that Trump will be either praised or vilified decades from now, but it did take a while for the Democrats to admit that he [FDR] was wrong on that. Of course, we've kind of forgotten what our party's views were on slavery or lynching for that matter. Thankfully we are on the right side of those issues today, but it wasn't always the case.

Not that I think that Trump is right, or that I don't think that the internment of native born Japanese Americans wasn't horribly bad (I'll cut Roosevelt some slack on locking up Japanese born people living in the US in 1942, but that's where the slack ends), but let's not pretend that FDR's support for internment wasn't widespread at the time.

(n.b. I edited so that the first "he" wasn't vague. Even to me it looked like I was saying that the Democrats were supporting Trump's immigration policies. Oh, no. Not even close.)

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as someone whose Dad fought in WWII, against those who created the original camps, I really do not like comparing what went on then and what has yet to even happen here (and which probably will not happen). I did not like it when Obama was compared to Hitler or Trump for that matter. It does a real disservice to the horrors of that time. I hope you can see that.

And let us not forget our own Japanese internment camps.

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If it doesn't happen here, it will be thanks to those who point out the ways in which we appear headed down some of the roads of the past, while there's still time to change direction. If it DOES happen here, it will be thanks in part to those whose wish to avoid (other people's?) painful memories is greater than their wish to avoid creating/allowing painful realities (for other people).

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That ten seconds between seeing this picture and learning it was a hoax must have been glorious for you.

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And he has not categorically shut them down, but rather left the door open:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/08/trump-on...

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Please show me one example of anybody defending FDR for instituting internment camps (and using his political party as an excuse). Your worldview where nobody with an R next to their name has ever done anything bad and nobody with a D next to their name has ever done anything good fascinates me. I can't wrap my brain around how anybody could actually think so simplistically about something so complicated.

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Maybe he can share a cell with Gary from West Roxbury.

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It was a hero Democrat, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who signed despicable Executive Order #9066 on February 19, 1942, forcing Japanese-Americans out of their homes and into internment camps.

Absolutely nothing that FDR, or Abraham Lincoln, or John F. Kennedy, or Ronald Reagan, or Woodrow Wilson, or anybody else in the past did, bears any relevance if you're trying to evaluate the two parties and see where they stand, or where you stand relative to them.

This isn't a game of "my people are better than your people, and in support of my position I'll point out that your great-grandfather stole a goat" Only tribal idiots think that way.

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Fish states that "misuse of the Great Seal of the President is a serious crime." This simply is not true.

Section 713, Title 18 of the US Code clearly articulates what constitute the federal offense of the misuse of a Presidential Seal. While this particular section of the code does not identify whether such action constitutes an a felony, the penalty for committing a violation of the code does.

In the United States, where the felony/misdemeanor distinction is still widely applied, the federal government defines a felony as a crime punishable by death or imprisonment in excess of one year and or a fine of up to $250,000. If punishable by one year or less, it is classified as a misdemeanor.

Section 713 states that a conviction of the federal offense of the misuse of a Presidential Seal specifies that the penalty is up to but not more than 6 months or not less but more than 30 days confinement OR a fine of not more than $5000. This distinction renders the offense as a Class B misdemeanor and dependent upon circumstances may only be prosecuted as simply an infraction (resulting in at most a fine).

Incidentally Fishy, the Cambridge Police do not have jurisdictional authority to act upon suspected violations of the USC - they may (possibly) refer it to a federal agency but not interject themselves.

You now, for someone who alleges he worked long enough as a cop to qualify for retirement, you don't know much about the law - and you sure make alot of factual goof-ups. Jesus, man, if you lie, can't you at least do a little research so your falsehoods at lease sound plausible.

What's next, going to tell us that you get your passport stamped with Reagan International Airport designation when landing there on a domestic flight originating out of Boston?

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Luke O'Neil talks to Plastic Jesus, who had "a team of collaborators" putting up the signs in several cities.

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Holiday Fun Camp

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or FEMA if-you-will, and can be easily adapted to keep people locked up inside, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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...is a sentence, I've got several bridges to sell YOU.

However, it might interest you to know that the Trump administration is planning a 500% expansion of detention facilities, which stands to make somebody (or maybe several somebodies) a great deal of money.

I said it in another comment: the signs aren't a joke. They're a warning.

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The QR sign is a perfect touch. Given the Trump administration's character I would not be surprised if they would put a QR code if they were to create something this so far out in bizarro land.

The NYTimes article about private managed prisons holding illegal immigrant detainees waiting for deportation is worth mentioning in this context. Inmates are paid $1 a day for "voluntary" jobs. Does that not amount to slave labor? The jobs are basic. Cleaning. Either pay nothing or pay a fair amount. But a symbolic payment is just a pretense to avoid the accusation of slavery.

Notable is that the companies managing these prisons each made $500,000 contributions to the Trump inaugural events. Not that this would be surprising.

As for using internment camps as satire I agree that this is an important way to keep our past of illegal imprisonment front and center. When we let evil actions become sacred and untouchable then it is easy to forget them.

My reasoning: There are two versions of seeing the past. Either it was better and we are less or it was worse and we are better. Where evil actions are concerned it's much easier to claim that the present is more enlightened and would never do what was done. It's an optimistic view. It's also a survival view; otherwise what do we do about evil legacies. There of course are also the folks who always say the past was better (e.g., the good old days). But that is remembering the past with rosy lenses which filter out the not so rosy parts.

So we either forget the wrongs of the past by saying it could not happen or just forget the wrongs that happened in general.

This kind of satire can bring the past - the good and bad to the present. It can connect us today to the actions of ancestors - good and bad. In this case this connects us to our ancestors who did bad.

One other element worth noting. The idea of controlling and managing people who were undesirable is nothing new. Using internment camps is just one method. The eugenicists had other methods. A satire concerning internment camps is just one step before satirizing even worse actions of eugenicists such as forced sterilization.

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spreading FUD and hate for one's enemies

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Korematsu v. United States has never been overturned. You may point out that there hasn't been a case where the Court would have had cause to cite it or refute it. But there has already been at least been one individual semi-associated with Trump on TV attempting to cite it as a historical precedent for why there should be a Muslim registry. Or perhaps a Jewish registry or a journalist registry or a Russian registry or whatever enemy-of-the-people du jour is needed as red meat for the base at that particular second.

Is this all far fetched and fear mongering? I'll point out the progression from campaign Muslim ban to blocked Bannonesque permanent resident included travel ban to the current travel ban which will likely stick as odious but legal.

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