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Presidential politics cited for two post-election, closing-time beatdowns; but police buy only one of the accounts

A man escorted out of West End Johnnie's on Portland Street shortly before closing on Nov. 11 says he suffered a broken nose and a fractured eye socket in an attack down the street by Trump haters who'd overheard him expressing his happiness at the election results two nights earlier. On Nov. 12, another man claimed he was jumped by more than a dozen Trump supporters and bouncers at Limelight on Tremont Street, whom he claims broke his nose.

Boston Police assigned a civil-rights detective to investigate the West End Johnnie's case, but say there is no evidence the Limelight victim was jumped by anybody, let alone 15 Trump supporters.

The civil-rights detective told the Boston Licensing Board this morning that a suburban man expressing his happiness over the November election results in West End Johnnie's was followed outside by a guy who exclaimed: "Your mother's a whore and you're a racist!"

The victim told detectives he tried to ignore the insults and walked down Valenti Way with a friend, but that the man followed them and punched him in the back of the head, then got ahead of him and punched him in the eye, knocking him out. He said when he came to, he was surrounded by six men, one of whom kicked or punched him in the ribs, while some of the others were busy attacking his friend.

The detective said he was assigned to the case because the man may have been attacked for "exercising his First Amendment rights in voicing his support of the person who had won the election." However, he said the investigation is no longer active because the victim - who sought treatment at the Lahey Clinic in Burlington - no longer wants to pursue charges. The victim also declined to identify his friend to police.

An attorney for West End Johnnie's said the attack was unfortunate - "It's really sad that young people are getting into fights over these sorts of things," unlike in days of old, when they'd slug each other over baseball or girls. But he asked the board to find the bar blameless, because the attack happened well down the street from the bar, not inside. Neither he nor bar owner John Caron said why bouncers had escorted the man out of the bar.

In the second case, police say they do not know how a man they found with his face covered in blood at Tremont and Lagrange streets around 1:20 a.m. on Nov. 12 came to be that way.

However, BPD Sgt. William Gallagher said there was no evidence to support his claim that "15 Trump supporters" and bouncers roughed him up. "That was probably fiction," Gallagher, who found the man after responding to 911 calls about a guy covered in blood, said. He noted that in addition to being bloody, the man showed signs of severe intoxication.

Gallagher speculated he might have given himself a bloody nose as he struggled with bouncers trying to get him out of Limelight - on the front-door handle Gallagher said was broken off.

Bar employees said the guy showed up around 12:45 a.m., just as they were getting ready to close, and that they refused to serve him because he appeared already drunk. They said he left, then came back and began trying to force his way in.

The bar was cited for not calling 911 about the incident. A bar manager said he did - with the guy's own phone. He said that on seeing the man's face covered in blood, told him they'd better call 911. He testified he didn't have his own phone on him and that the man pulled out his own phone - but was so drunk he was unable to punch in the digits, so the manager took his phone and used it to call 911.

The board decides what action, if any, to take about the two incidents.

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Its "West End Johnnie" and the place sucks, its always fool of tools.

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I've written enough about them, I looked at the agenda, I sat through the hearing and I still managed to write a West Side story. Fixed, thanks.

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More left on right violence....and fake right on left violence.

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how much does a thumbs-up on UHub cost on /r/the_donald these days? Or have you figured out the super-secret cookie trick?

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Doesn't it seem strange to you that the only "witness" was the unnamed friend, and the guy was very close to an ER but went to Burlington for medical care, and has called the cops off of the case?

Perhaps "beatdown due to loving some Trump" actually means "alternative barfight"???

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You might be right. But unlike in the Limelight case, BPD at least took the Johnnie's case seriously enough to assign not just a detective, but one from the civil-rights unit.

As for why he went to Lahey instead of Mass General? It happens. Sometimes people don't realize how hurt they are until the adrenaline wears off when they get home (yes, even after you've been knocked out). Or maybe his doctor's at Lahey. Who knows?

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However, BPD Sgt. William Gallagher said there was no evidence to support his claim that "15 Trump supporters" and bouncers roughed him up.

This is what we call an Alternative Fact.

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"Fuck you!"

"No fuck you!"

"No FUCK YOU!"

"NO FUCK YOU!!!"

[Trump incident]

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and his ass kicked then blames the election but his 'friend" is unidentified. This ought to be a Brietbart/Drudge dog whistle headliner.

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I feel like we've been over this, maybe not.

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knickers? Sorry, I didn't get the memo from the Fox echo chamber.

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I know a bar manager who did that once to have a terminated employee removed. His reward was to be told by a cop "you need to take control of your bar."

Then why the (expletive) do we have a police department at all? What are we all paying for?

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The owner(s) have liability for what occurs at their establishment. police are not their private security or bouncers unless they're on a paid private detail.

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Your residence. You can bet cops will show up if there's a trespasser, and probably not condescend to the owner about it. I described to you a scenario in which a man (an employee who had just been terminated) was refusing to leave. Now, either the police force that's already bought and paid for can come take care of it, or the property owner can take care of it. And the last time the latter happened, a guy ended up down a flight of stairs at the now non-existent Roggie's.

This is not about the basic role of cops, this is about a community's perpetual condescension towards purveyors of alcohol.

As for private detail, sure, why not? Get rid of the police force entirely. Then, I can pool together with my neighbors to hire and staff personal and property security (hell, there's plenty of good Boston cops, I'd be happy to hire one) as we see fit, not via the state's agenda. And since they work for me and not the state, they're less likely to give anybody attitude.

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FYI - a trespasser is different from a tenant who you want to kick out - police don't do evictions - landlord must go to court, win, and then hire a constible to do do the eviction. Now the tenant doesn't leave with the constable THEN the police can arrest for trespassing. That costs a lot of money and lost rent and probably lots of damage to the apartment

It would be a lot cheaper if Landlords could hire a security guard or bouncer.
Quit your whining

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-- Then why the (expletive) do we have a police department at all? What are we all paying for? --

To preserve crime scenes and take notes. Also to execute lawful forceful authority on the part of the government. Police do not exist to prevent crimes. That is what the 2nd Amendment and non-snowflake citizens are for.

Up until last year, at least, that is what college textbooks are teaching.

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the dumbest thing I've read all week, and that includes the transcripts of Kellyanne's press conferences. If you seriously think that people with guns and "special snowflakes" (and would you kindly drop the dogwhistles, we all know you're trying to dance around using some other, nastier pejorative) are all that's standing between us and anarchistic mob rule, then you have some serious reading comprehension issues.

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-- you're trying to dance around using some other, nastier pejorative --

I'll use some other, nastier pejorative if I ever find one. Snowflake is the most disgusting name I know of. You guys like it, so everyone wins. You like that sort of thing too, huh. Trophy day for everyone.

That colleges are teaching the "dumbest thing" you have read all week does not negate the fact that they are teaching it and that it is true.

Police exist to take notes after a crime and to serve as a forceful/violent arm of government.

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