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Boston students to march against guns

NBC Boston interviews the organizers of the Boston March for Our Lives rally on Boston Common on March 24 - Julian Lopez-Leyva, a student at Bunker Hill Community College and Kim Long, leader of the Massachusetts chapter of Moms Demand Action For Gun Sense In America.

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March against EVERY gun including the ones in the hands of gang members in Boston's neighborhoods. Don't be afraid. Power in numbers! Our kids have had enough. God bless them and help them with their future.

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Against mine, too? The registered, legally owned over/under shotgun that has a capacity of two shells, and is designed to break clays on a trap range? The one that I store and transport secured and unloaded in compliance with the laws of Massachusetts? The one I purchased iafter multiple background checks and fingerprinting by the local Police Department, who had to sign off on my ownership of it?

EVERY gun?

That kind of absolutism sounds kind of NRA-ish, doesn’t it?

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I have nothing against low-capacity guns used in hunting, as long as they can't be easily modified to be high-capacity. (If you need a big magazine of ammo for hunting, you suck at hunting and should probably find a new hobby/food source.)

But there's no reason anyone but the military should have high-capacity rifles, and frankly I'm not sure even the police should have handguns, especially given their track record of overusing them.

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Massachusetts does not allow rifle hunting (except black powder). FYI.

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Including the ones in the hands of the police and the military?

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A little focus and perspective will go a long way here.

Suppose you believe the number that there is one mass shooting every day in this country. That's not true, but it's a good talking point to work with.

In a country of 320 million people, or roughly 120 million adult men, that would mean there are 365 of them, or about one out of every 300,000 that are mass murderers. Of those 300,000, about one third own guns or live in a home where someone else does [1], so that one guy is one out of 100,000.

Again, this assumes a mass shooting per day, which is false, not even close to true, and probably off by a factor of more than ten [2], so even in the worst case you're talking about 1 / 100,000 but probably closes to one out of a million.

What's my point? My point is that good policy will focus on identifying the one rather than picking fights with the 100,000-1,000,000 (that is, the tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners) who don't make trouble for anyone.

If these kids want to channel their energies toward that, I hope they succeed, as that part of the system failed them. If they turn into just another emotionally-raw mouthpiece of the gun-grabber lobby (as it seems to be happening with the slanted press coverage and the Bloomberg PACs advising them), then I'll politely disagree.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/29/american-gun-owne...

[2] https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones...

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Don't be so quick to presume you have the right to think that these children are pawns of any anti gun lobby and that they are being "advised" at all about a goddamn thing other than how to pick up the pieces of their shattered lives.Maybe if you had been on the receiving end of one of those texts sent by children to their parents who begged them to hold on and who thought death was coming it might have changed your mind..

What's wrong with you? Speaking up for the rest of the insecure and witless cretins who think owning a military grade personal WMD is more important than the lives of children?

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What's wrong with you?

See above. Nearly all of those insecure and witless cretins (flattery will get you nowhere, I'm afraid) cause absolutely no problems ever in their entire lives.

What's a better way to save future lives? Raging at people who did nothing wrong and are just as horrified or insisting on accountability in law enforcement and on better security at schools and other vulnerable places?

And puh-lease. I know propaganda when I hear it, read it, and see it on the TV packaged up in the same slick and polished way I've seen it a dozen and a half times before.

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Are where most of the bad guys get their guns. Then of course there are the suicides, domestic violence, road rage etc.like last week in Boston.

Have all the guns you want. Keep them in a secure locked facility
You want to go hunting or target shooting, sign ONE out ( maybe special permission or permit if you need more than one)

Need one in the house for self defense (which is a joke if you are storing it securely), ammunition should also be controlled. 6-9 bullets max. Other ammo bought at the range or in VERY small lots for hunting.

None of this will happen, but sensible solutions that would save thousands of lives a year.

You are in trouble when Kinopio and I agree and source the same statistics. And as I've said before, I like target shooting. Fun hobby. Kept my gun and ammo at the range.

ENOUGH. SENSELESS.

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Do you support a repeal of the Second Amendment?

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And I'd venture guess it wouldn't bother the founding fathers. More people are murdered with guns every year than were killed in battle during the entire revolutionary war.

Or we amend it. You can have all the flintlocks you want.

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Guys like you thought Obama was coming for your guns. He didn't.

Now your children are coming for them and those whose who profit from their deaths. So you and the rest of the Second Amendment morons can look them in the faces and talk about the rights of law abiding citizens to own weapons of war and not personal protection.See where it gets you in a world where adults are trying to sell them bulletproof backpacks.

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Whining that abortion kills children.

You can't be pro gun and pro life. Sorry. Doesn't work.

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Did you say something?

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Had a Pro-Life sticker on the bumper, she was on her cell phone and swerved into the bike lane almost hitting me. I guess she's really Pro-Choice.

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Don't be so quick to presume you have the right to think that

And the debate narrows.

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Nice cherrypicking. Nice intellectually dishonest out-of-context quoting. It's a good thing that no one takes you seriously.

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There is absolutely nothing that could follow the quote to redeem the poster.

Thought crime is not a cool concept to embrace.

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I take any criticism from you as a badge of honor.

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I was not criticizing you. I was criticizing whoever put you up to posting it. Otherwise I would have attached your name to the quote.

I never met anyone stupid enough to say that a person does not have the right to think something. I figured you were just repeating something you heard without understanding what you were posting.

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In case you had not noticed, I put my name on everything I write.No one puts me up to anything.

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You *really* think that it is okay to tell someone they have no right to think something?

Do you know what a right is? Maybe that is the problem.

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American gun owners have failed tremendously to act responsibly for decades now. We tried the loose gun laws thing. The result was 30,000+ gun deaths every year.

This shit doesn't happen in other countries like this because other countries stood up against gun owners or they realized from the start that guns are terrible. Bringing a gun into a home vastly increases the odds someone in that home will die of homocide or suicide. The "responsible gun owner" is a myth. This has been proven all over the world where tough gun laws and fewer guns have resulted in much fewer deaths.

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This shit doesn't happen in other countries

It sure does and worse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death...

We are seriously suicide-heavy on the stats, whereas ****hole countries are heavy on homicides. Most of those homicide-heavy countries are countries where guns are heavily restricted.

Fun facts:

The US has 102 guns for every 100 residents.
Australia has 22 guns for every 100 residents
France has 30 guns for every 100 residents

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Let me guess, most of the guns used in murders in the hole countries are, lost, stolen or "legally" procured in the US then shipped to the hole. Or do they just magically appear over there?

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Most arms in the hole countries are from China and Russia.

Afghanistan makes a lot of their own stuff. Like literally machines their own AKs in caves.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-12-03/china-supplying-africa-guns

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/town-ak-47-sells-less-8602081

The United States has extremely strict and highly enforced purchasing rules. Except for CIA/asst ops shenanigans, you do not see much US hardware on any black market.

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Them tell me how ISIS was able to rip up half of Iraq using American ordnance?

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That did not happen.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-isis-got-weapons-us-used-them-take-iraq-syri...

-- As much as 90 percent of ISIS’s arms and ammunition were found to have originated in Russia, China and Eastern European states. --

90 percent. What did I say about shithole countries and China/Russia arms.

Pay attention.

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I'm not kidding - it has been taken over by wackjobs.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/01/12/462781469/in-mexico-t...

From 2009 to 2014, more than 73,000 guns that were seized in Mexico were traced to the U.S

About half were long guns, such as the high-caliber AR-15, preferred by cartel gunmen,

The GAO says the agency couldn't figure out who bought 53 percent of the guns at retail "because of factors such as incomplete identifying data on trace request forms, altered serial numbers, no response from the federal firearm licensee to ATF's request for trace information, or incomplete or never received out-of-business licensee records."

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Mexico consistently ranks alongside Greece for quality of life.

Just because their border sucks for us, does not mean the country does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

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Kinopio didn't say anything about asshole countries. Neither did I.

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Your "focus and perspective" is just a high-handed way of telling people to sit down and shut up when you don't like what they have to say. No one invited you to this rally, so just stay home and practice the only skill you have, derailing the efforts of better people. You're not very good at it.

What's my point? My point is that good policy will focus on identifying the one rather than picking fights with the 100,000-1,000,000 (that is, the tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners) who don't make trouble for anyone.

So, what does "identifying the one" mean, exactly? Don't be coy, Roman. Are you talking about mental illness? Because the large majority of people with mental illness are no threat to themselves or others.

It sounds like you're the one picking fights here, on behalf of "the tens of millions of law-abiding gun owners" who didn't appoint you to speak for them. Sensible regulation and restrictions on the types of firearms that civilians can own doesn't infringe on anyone's rights, and many "law-abiding gun owners" support them.

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to identify that 1 bad actor out of a million for the last thirty years. We're not doing an especially good job of it, as evidenced by the continued epidemic of mass shootings. Among the reasons we're not doing an especially good job of it:

  • Woeful lack of mental health resources available to anyone without exceptional health insurance (thanks, Reagan!)
  • Systemic inability to catalog, profile, study, or generally do anything related to data aggregation around gun crimes (thanks, GOP!)
  • Complete refusal to acknowledge that, actually, yeah, there are lots of people who should not have access to firearms ever for any reason (thanks, NRA!)
  • Lack of political will to do anything about aforementioned epidemic of mass shootings, despite obvious parallels in other first world countries to show us what to do

You might notice a common thread among those reasons. Not to be overly reductionist here, but we can pretty easily summarize the source of the problem as "the conservative party and its pigheaded refusal to do anything about the plague of violence affecting the country."

Meanwhile, we're confronted literally every day with problems that only affect one in a million (or one in a billion) users of an object, and we happily legislate solutions to those problems that go after the law-abiding public. Notice that tamper-proof seal on your Tylenol bottle? One guy poisoned half a dozen bottles, thirty years ago, and we've spent billions of dollars making sure it never happens again. Did you have to take your shoes off the last time you went through a TSA checkpoint? Again, one dude, fifteen years ago, and we've all happily doffed our boots to fly on an airplane ever since. Arguing that, well, hey, it's just a few bad apples, what we can we possibly do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ , in the face obvious solutions to the literal deaths of hundreds of children every year, is the height of disingenuity, but we've come to expect little better from you.

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Hell, we legislate away risk for things that HAVE NEVER HAPPENED based on irrational fears!

No reports of any trans people ever assaulting somebody in a public bathroom: THINK OF THE CHILDREN KEEP THEM SAFE FROM PERVERTS

Hundreds of kids dying at school, ostensibly what should be one of the safest places for them: whatever.

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It appears to me that you are the one "picking the fight." These kids want to make sure that nationwide, we have sensible gun laws, so that we minimize the chances of guns getting into the wrong hands, while still protecting the rights of people to legally own a gun. I don't think that's unreasonable.

I suspect that Massachusetts won't need many, if any, changes to our gun laws, as we already are one of the safest states when it comes to gun violence. It's really the states that have minimal or no regulation that are the biggest problems.

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Not shocked to see you hand waving away gun violence with the same "they wanna take away my toys" talking points.

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All I see is "blah blah blah". Your numbers are made up. Why? Because 20 years ago the NRA convinced Congress that the CDC shouldn't study gun violence.So Congress cut funding the CDC used to collect any data relating to guns. Maybe the first thing we should do is change that.

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You make it sound like no one is keeping track of deaths by firearm. That isn't true.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
and page 87 of
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf

What is true is that federal funds can't be used to ...something something... a stern-looking guy in a white coat stands at the lectern, wags his finger, and says "Guns are bad." Because gunshots are not a communicable disease and it is not appropriate for government agencies whose mandate is the study and control of communicable diseases to branch out into forming official opinions on hot-button social issues.

Given the recent attention to the mental state of mass murderers, maybe there's room to give on some of those restrictions.

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Every year students walk out for senior skip day and head to the beach. This year they are walking out in an effort to save children's lives. Many of them belong to clubs and sport teams coached by teachers who are mothers and fathers who lead by example as opposed to congress which has shown no adult leadership.

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