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Blood runs for real at Loews on Tremont again as three sliced up

Boston Police report a local teen tried to use three other moviegoers for carving practice at the Loews Boston Common around 11:30 p.m. on Saturday.

According to the victims, they were standing inside the lobby of the Loews Movie Theater when a black male, in his late teens with braids, approached them and slashed them. While still on scene, officers learned or were told that a 3rd victim, a black male, had self-applied to the New England Medical Center with a stab wound or laceration to his hand.

Sylvester Cooper, 18, was charged with assault and battery with a dangerous weapon. None of the victims was seriously injured, police say.

On Jan. 19, a 16-year-old was stabbed in the back outside the theater.

Innocent, etc.

Location

Stabbing
175 Tremont St.
Boston
United States
42° 21' 10.2708" N, 71° 3' 48.4308" W
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Not good for business

By deselby | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 2:00pm

One reason I only go out to see obscure foreign films at the Kendall Square, the knifing types usually avoid subtitles.

Question...

By bostonian | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:21am

Kids here have absolutely no respect for anyone else. Is it possible for anyone to take a long walk (through every neighborhood) and not have at least one bad experience involving a kid? I bet not.

one and the same?

By Anonymous | Tue, 02/17/2009 - 10:27am

Is this the same Sylvester Cooper whose story was told in the pages of the globe two year's ago?

If so, he lives in Roxbury and went to Charlestown High for a while. He was an excellent student in grade school. Since, a lot of adults have refused to accept his truancy and general neglect for his own future.

Attention Mayoral Candidates

By david_yamada | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 3:00pm

Another sign that Downtown needs a plan. This is a five-minute walk from where a shooting occurred on Washington Street several weeks ago. Emerson and Suffolk dorms are right nearby.

This area has come a loooong way in 15 years, but that progress is now at risk.

Also, the second stabbing at the theater in a month

By adamg | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 3:15pm

Kid stabbed in the back on 1/19 (adding this fact to the original post).

This isn't a snark, but an honest question...

By eeka not logged in (not verified) | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:10am

Why did you (and why do so many other people) choose to use college students living right nearby as a talking point for why something needs to be done about crime in the Downtown Crossing area? There are few similar comments on the other stories about violent crime. Every violent event that takes place in the city is just a few feet away from where people live and work and have a right to not have this stuff happening near them. Why does this point come up when the incident is in a downtownish area, but not when it's in a largely residential area?

fair question

By david_yamada | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:44am

eeka, it's in large part due to the fact that I teach at Suffolk Law just down the street and am aware of the growing college presence on Tremont over the years. Both Suffolk and Emerson, to their credit, have staked a lot of their futures in that area, and they began doing so before the luxury condo developers got all excited about it. So yes, I do tend to look at goings on in the downtown through that lens.

But more to the point: Both schools now house a lot of undergraduates in that area; I'm sure they make up a big share of the residential population in that part of the city. If heaven forbid something happens to one/more of those students, and parents and prospective students start to question whether the area (and hence the city) is a safe place to go to school, then a major piece of the city's economic base takes a hit. And college students have a lot more freedom to pick up and go to another school than condo owners.

Been to Loew's Boston Common lately?

By Kaz | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 4:04pm

The place went from mid-scale movie house to Hoodrat Central at some point in the recent past. It never seems busy enough upstairs to justify the size of the crowd that hangs out in the lobby. Half of the automatic ticket machines no longer function correctly. It also doesn't seem to ever get busy enough to satisfy all of the counter space it has for concessions any more (you never see any of the secondary snack stands open). The audience is usually a toss up as to whether it'll be reasonable or obnoxious (largely depending on the movie type/popularity) and there are seemingly not enough staff to keep the juvenile delinquents from theater hopping. What staff they do have working there are content to just take your money or your ticket stub without any awareness or concern to what's going on around them.

It surprises me very little to see the dumber of the kids getting into fights there. I will only go there for a movie if I can't see it anywhere else in the city (and that's very rare now that Regal Fenway 13 has installed the technical equipment necessary to play 3D films).

oh please

By Brett | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 6:31pm

I can summarize your comment with: "DANG KIDS GIT OUTA MAH MOVIE THEATAH."

Where the fuck are kids supposed to go? I'd rather they were watching a movie than sitting around on street corners...and I'd rather they were social with lots of friends than loners looking for a gang for social needs.

The solution to the problem is not chasing kids off every place they find to meet friends. The solution is to go after the criminals (not "troublemakers", let's get a grip here.)

A good start would be spending a couple weeks in the schools, putting up some TV adverts, posters, etc and making it clear that if they're found with a gun/knife or stab/shoot someone, they'll be in juvie lockup until they're 18. Then, follow through on the promise. After kids start watching their friends go into prison, watch them take things seriously.

Kids aren't stupid. They know that the status quo is literally a revolving door, and we have the nation's most incompetent police department to thank for it- 40% of murder cases "cleared", and guess what? A good chunk of them were probably the wrong person:

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/top/features/documents/04916575.asp

"I feel like I could go out and commit a murder and get away with it," says Bethel, Oral’s cousin. "And I work with DYS [Department of Youth Services] kids, and that’s exactly how they feel."

Geeze Brett, you've figured it all out!

By Pete Nice | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 6:44pm

"A good start would be spending a couple weeks in the schools, putting up some TV adverts, posters, etc and making it clear that if they're found with a gun/knife or stab/shoot someone, they'll be in juvie lockup until they're 18. Then, follow through on the promise. After kids start watching their friends go into prison, watch them take things seriously.

"

Yea that will work! Im sure no one has ever thought or tried that stuff!

treat symptom and cause

By david_yamada | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 6:44pm

We need to address both the immediate crime and some of the underlying causes. Yes, let's send a message that violent crime will not be tolerated, regardless of age.

But let's also recognize that this problem is likely to get worse as the economy weakens, unless we start addressing it at its root level.

A lot of the kids who go down this path were headed there by the time they were five or six. Talk to kindergarten teachers who teach in poor neighborhoods and they'll tell you.

A few weeks ago I was in line at the Dunkin' Donuts in the Downtown Crossing food court, and this young mother in back of me shrieks at her little boy, who couldn't have been more than five, "WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU DOING!?!?" What kind of chance does a kid like that have? What behavior for resolving situations is being modeled for him by his own parent?

The spin-off effect, of course, is that when these kids act out at the Loew's Theatre, other folks decide to go to other movie theatres or wait until they can rent it. And with each individual decision like that, the Downtown district loses more of its vitality.

Gee whiz, thanks. Am sure

By anon (not verified) | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 7:30pm

Gee whiz, thanks. Am sure that this published quote will sound good on your resume somewhere.

Or, maybe they really should have their own movie theatre again

By Ron Newman | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 6:45pm

Back in the day, Sack Theatres had many cinemas in and near downtown Boston, each with its own programming policy. Slasher pics might get booked into the Gary, Saxon, or 57, while something like Star Wars would go to the Charles, a Woody Allen film would go to the Paris, and foreign films would end up at the Nickelodeon.

Dang!

By anon (not verified) | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 7:18pm

Snort! I remember taking calc lectures at the Nicolodeon by day (& buying popcorn, no less) and then going to see features by night! (Scent of Green Papaya, etc).

yes, good idea

By david_yamada | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 8:28pm

Absolutely. Instead of one giant 16-plex, let's break it up again, maybe 8 screens here, 4 there, and another 4 somewhere else. It would create more foot traffic in diff. parts of the city, as well as movie theatres identified with certain kinds of films. When I moved to Boston in '94, it was more like that. Then the smaller theatres began to close. I thought the Loew's Boston Common was a great idea at first, but now....

Kaz, how long you been round here?

By SwirlyGrrl | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 8:33pm

If memory serves, theaters downtown have had a seriously bad reputation for that kind of thing since the80s or before.

Nearly a decade

By Kaz | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 12:53am

I was around before the Loews Boston Commons opened. I used to go there for a while as my regular theater just after it opened because while it was a touch more expensive than the Fenway, it also seemed to care more about the theater experience back in the early 2000's. Crowds were pretty big when it was new but they respected the movie going experience. The lobby was clean and orderly (all the front glass doors functioned correctly...which hasn't been the case for the past few years it seems). It was a lot better than what it has become. It seems like just because they're making money like crazy now that a few of the other closest theaters closed, they don't care what goes on there so long as the lowest common denominators pay to see a movie at least every other time they show up there.

And sorry, Brett, but boiling my comment down to a one line crybaby whine doesn't respect what I actually said. If you're not going to address what is actually said, then whatever rant you have in response is meaningless (see also: STRAWMAN).

I'm with Brett on this one...

By eeka not logged in (not verified) | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:56am

If you're choosing not to go there because there are *gasp* teenagers hanging out, that's your loss. But honestly, Brett's right that a movie theatre is one of the better places a group of teens could be hanging out. When you were a teenager, did you really not ever do things like sneak into multiple theatres on one ticket? Yes, it's dishonest, but a healthy adolescence is about risk-taking and rebelling against societal norms, and there are much worse things they could be doing. These kids are probably getting a sort of "high" out of breaking a rule and fearing being caught, and they're bonding with the other kids over this common experience. If the kids were sneaking into movie theatres totally quietly and nonchalantly, then I would be concerned that they actually have antisocial traits (i.e., they think rules don't apply to them), but since they're being rowdy and obnoxious, it seems more in line with the profile of a healthy adolescence.

Its not about kids being kids...

By Pete Nice | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:07am

its about wanting people to come to your movie theater.

What do you think happened to the Dedham Mall? There were too many kids hanging around with nothing to do and the place started to become unsafe and other people stopped going there. Hell, they made sure there is no where to hang out there anymore and designed it that way for that purpose. The same can be said for the Dedham movie theater.

These aren't simply places where "kids hang out" in a good way. Especially when most of these kids aren't there to watch movies anyway.

I never buy the "kids need a place to go" argument. I mean, I agree that its good to keep them busy, but "hanging out" for the sake of not doing anything else is not productive.

Dedham Mall

By adamg | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:09am

It was all about kids? I thought it was all about the mall being tired and outdated and dark and dingy and people going to other stores along Rte. 1.

Ok it wasn't all about the kids.

By Pete Nice | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:25am

But I had always heard that the Flately company did not want to put money into the place because they knew the new atmosphere did not cater to the people it once did.

You can be sure there are a lot of racial issues with this one, but once different groups of people went in there (younger, urban), different types of stores went in there as well.

I actaully worked at "The Chess King" for a few weeks! But you can bet those types of stores were the downfall of that place.

Dedham Showcase Cinema

By Ron Newman | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 12:45pm

And I thought the Dedham Showcase cinema closed for pretty much the same reason -- it was old and tired, didn't have stadium seating or a modern sound system, so National Amusements tore it down and is replacing it with something new and state-of-the-art.

Where are they supposed to go?

By SwirlyGrrl | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:55am

What are they supposed to be doing? You have some ideas? You actively working to find things for them to do that aren't the kind of nannystate preschool theory of teenage life that they reject?

Oh ... just get them out of your hair by sending them DRINKING IN THE WOODS ... that's it. Seems to be the handy way to brush them off and get them good and sick/dead/pregnant. Oh, and if you are a parent you can yell at anyone who bothers you with news that your kid turned up on an adjacent person's doorstep or set a fire with a tirade about it being your night off. If you are a teacher at the voke, like my husband was, you get to hear the chit-chat about how the same 14 year olds who have parents that don't give the slightest shit about them used various drugs with alcohol etc.

At least the cops started taking it more seriously when a a lawyer in the Weld Administration got her shed burned down and forced them to press charges. Before that the offical response was "we always had kids drinking in the woods" and "their just being kids".

I'm glad that my boys have Davis Square. Coffee houses, game and card shop, go club, Somerville Theater, etc. Plenty of low octane fun. They also wander wayyy further into the woods than the flip flops and monster case crowd.

We did appreciate it when the neighbor's dog unearthed a keg out there ... kept the neighborhood in bad beer all weekend. But the lack of attractive things for teens to do other than "just go away and stay away" combined with "act like a little kid" is the root cause of this nonsense.

Things to be glad of

By anon (not verified) | Tue, 02/17/2009 - 5:49am

Glad your boys have Davis Square...
Instead of Downtown Crossing?

Yeah, all in good fun...

By Kaz | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 12:22pm

...until it leads to two stabbings in a month.

This isn't Eddie Haskell getting the Beav' to lie to his mom about sleeping over.

Sorry, but "healthy adolescence" happens just fine without theft of service, loitering, assault with a deadly weapon, and just plain ignorant and rude behavior in a movie theater. Plenty of kids are raised correctly.

[jedi hand wave] These are not the poster children that you were looking for.

Boston Common Loews is sketchy

By TE (not verified) | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 4:34pm

Have to agree with Kaz. This place needs to be cleaned up. Easy solution: several security guards with the balls big enough to push these kids around. The Boylston T stop is scary when you exit a movie after dark and the lobby and area right outside the movie theater are sketchy as well. You can't look anyone in the eye without inciting a fight. The place is crawling with loud and obnoxious riff-raff in the lobby and in the movie theater. This theater needs new management, and the city needs to keep cops near this theater and the T to keep people safe.

It is really sad that people have to think twice before going to an AMC. Give me a break.

PS - Is it a coincidence that the silver line has a stop right outside this theater?

What was that old cinema

By anon (not verified) | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 6:06pm

What was that old cinema that was in the Charles Street plaza, in the New Improved Beacon Hill, where now lives a Whole Foods, etc? Didn't this get closed down due to similar issues? Anyway, not a big surprise that this moviehouse (around the corner and down the street if you're the walking type) would have similar problems. After all, you can only sweep so much dirt under the proverbial cah-pet.

That was the Charles cinema

By Ron Newman | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 6:52pm

with one huuuuge screen upstairs and two small ones downstairs. It didn't get closed down for any reason having to do with violence. Sack (later USACinemas, later Loews) just systematically started shutting down all of its older 1, 2, and 3-screen cinemas during the 1990s.

CinemaTreasures has a page on the Charles Cinema.

Thanks for the nomeclature

By anon (not verified) | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 7:15pm

Thanks for the nomeclature help. It didn't necessarily get closed for violence problems, but was kind of an issue there, anyway, just the same.

scary

By anon (not verified) | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 5:12pm

Whats really scary is that i was around that area with my significant other around that time. We had just grabbed dinner at Ivy on Temple Pl. and had finished around 11:15.

What happened to the theater

By J | Sun, 02/15/2009 - 11:37pm

What happened to the theater getting an IMAX? All news article say that it was going to open last September...

The downtown grindhouses and art cinemas are never coming back

By deselby | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 8:41am

The Boston Common is the last of the downtown movie theaters, right? Unless you count the Fenway.

Movie exhibition as a mass popular entertainment appears to be dying. Why listen to people talking, kids crying and brave stabbing when you can sit at home and watch your Blu-ray on your HD screen with a great sound system?

Remember what there was in downtown/Back Bay in the 1970s -

The Astor - practically the same location as the Boston Common
The Publix ($1.00 - $1.50) spaghetti westerns, horror, actioners
The Stuart (50 cents) similar to Publix
The Center/China Pagoda (for unsubtitled kung-fu)
Paramount
Art Cinemas (drifted in and out of porn)
West End - showed soft-core stuff like Swedish Au Pair

Sack/Loews Theaters:
Saxon (now the Emerson Majestic)
Savoy (now the Boston Opera House)
Music Hall (now the Wang Center)
Pi Alley
Gary
Cheri
Paris
Beacon Hill
Charles
The 57
Copley Place (later than the 70s)

Others/artsy places:

The Exeter
Cinema 733 (double feature for $1.00 before 5pm)
Park Square
Kenmore Square
Abbey, followed by the Nickelodeon in almost the same location
Symphony

sadly, you're right

By david_yamada | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:05am

Those days are gone, and with it the experience of movie going is disappearing.

I was a VCR holdout, not buying my first until the early 90s. I especially enjoyed the revival houses. Five bucks to see a Hitchcock double feature on the big screen ("Vertigo" and "Rear Window" back to back -- whoa).

Not sure what my comment has to do with stabbings at the Loews, other than the fact that it's not as much fun to go to a movie theatre these days!

Avoid stabbers and gabbers.

By deselby | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:29am

Not sure what my comment has to do with stabbings at the Loews, other than the fact that it's not as much fun to go to a movie theatre these days!

As I said at the beginning, stick to high-toned foreign and domestic flicks at the Kendall, the Brattle, the Somerville and the Harvard Film Archive. You are unlikely to be stabbed.

And the Coolidge

By Ron Newman | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:33am

 

I'm probably part of the problem

By david_yamada | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:43am

I find myself less enthused about schlepping on the T from JP to Cambridge for a movie these days unless it's a more social thing. And a good eye for bargains can yield a pretty nice set of DVD movies at less/around what you pay at the theatre. Not getting stabbed or held up (i.e., the price of movie theatre popcorn) is a bonus too.

But I do miss watching an old classic at a movie house and sharing the experience with fellow moviegoers.

But I miss yelling at the

By anon (not verified) | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:38pm

But I miss yelling at the screen and throwing jawbreakers at the sh#t that passes for ci-NAY-muh nowadays! (Used to do this at the Nick and the Cheri. Blaque, Blanche, they didn't mind who did it, so long as it wasn't bullets.)

And where are those theatres now?

By Ron Newman | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:43am

Astor -- torn down, now Ritz-Carlton complex including Loews Boston Common
Publix (aka Gaiety) - torn down amid much public controversy; now a vacant lot
Stuart - now a McDonalds
Center/Pagoda - now Empire Garden Chinese restaurant
Paramount - now being renovated by Emerson College
Art Cinemas - now Limelight Stage and Studios, a karaoke place
West End - torn down, now a vacant lot

Pi Alley - various restaurant and retail uses
Gary - torn down for State Transportation Building
Cheri - now Kings bowling alley and nightclub and Summer Shack restaurant
Paris - now a Walgreen's
Beacon Hill - has been a Copy Cop, then a restaurant, but I think it's currently vacant
Charles - conference center, office space
57 - one cinema is now the Stuart Street Playhouse, a live stage. The other one is a golf school.
Copley Place - now Barneys New York store

Exeter - now a Montessori school (has also been Conran's furniture, Waterstone's bookstore, and idealab! office space)
Cinema 733 - now (part of?) Uno Chicago Grill restaurant
Park Square - some retail use in the Park Square Building (was it where the bank is now?)
Kenmore Square - now Barnes & Noble bookstore at BU
Abbey/Nickelodeon - first one is now a BU building, and the second one was torn down for another BU building

And a few more

By Ron Newman | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:11am

Modern (Mayflower) - now being renovated by Suffolk University
RKO Boston (Boston Cinerama, Essex, Star Cinema) - vacant, after spending some time as a grindhouse, porn house, and Chinese cinema

In Cambridge:

Central Square Cinemas - now Quest Diagnostics lab
Off The Wall Cinema - now a senior center
Orson Welles Cinema - burned down, now CVS and other retail
Janus Cinema, in the Crimson Galeria basement - now retail and/or restaurant

The Orpheum in downtown Boston showed movies for many years as a Loew's house, but I think that had ended before the 1970s.

In the neighborhoods

By deselby | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:56am

Thanks for the Cambridge list. I loved the Orson Welles and the Central, which played King of Hearts for three or four years.

Let's see, up until the 70s and in some cases even later into the 80s, 90s and 00s there was also the
the Allston (ended as a Bollywood house in the 00s),
the Broadway in South Boston,
the Dorchester Park (80s or 90s?),
the Strand (I think into the early 70s),
the Puritan Mall in Dorchester.

Of course if you went back to the 1930s, there were scores more.

Have to mention the Dedham Community Theater and the Coolidge Corner as places to go now also.

Nabes

By Ron Newman | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 2:28pm

One more: the Village Cinema in Hancock Village, West Roxbury. Either this or the Park in Dorchester (Fields Corner) was the last non-chain neighborhood cinema within Boston city limits. I know it closed some time after 1987, because the last movie I saw there was "Wall Street".

In East Somerville, the Broadway theatre lasted until 1982, when the nearby then-new Sack Assembly Square multiplex finally killed it off. Of course, the Assembly Square itself is now closed and sitting empty since MLK Day weekend of 2007.

The Regent Theatre in Arlington Center used to be a neighborhood second-run cinema, but now it's used mostly as a live stage. They still occasionally run special films.

Somehow the single-screen Studio Cinema in Belmont survives to this day.

Lets not forget the latest one to leave the City

By anon-a-mouse | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:03pm

The Circle.

Come Six Stops Out on the Red Line

By SwirlyGrrl | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:46am

The Somerville Theater attracts a multi-everything group of folks for movies, best popcorn around ... even a beer and MOBA in the basement!

It might be worth the 20 minute hike, and the prices are great too.

BTW, how is the cinema at Landmark Center (aka Old Sears Bldg.) doing these days? Similar problems?

Fenway 13 status

By Kaz | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 12:15pm

I regularly go to the Fenway 13 these days for two reasons: they don't have the same problems as Boston Common, and they offer a small discount for student pricing. There was a period a few years ago where the teen problem was getting out of hand (obnoxious during movies, talking, cell phones, etc). But the theater upped its internal security and the problems seem to have disappeared in the past year or two. Crowds are generally large, but respectful, and they even have ushers walk the theater once mid-movie (looking for theater hoppers sitting in the aisles, I assume). So, for a short time, it had similar problems, but I think it was able to clean itself up through some vigilance and concern for its customer experience.

And a couple more downtown Boston theatres

By Ron Newman | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 1:02pm

By the 1970s, these were porn houses, but so were some of the others mentioned earlier, so I'm including them for completeness:

State -- demolished, replaced by Ritz-Carlton complex
Pilgrim -- demolished, replaced by Archstone apartment building

If you walked up Washington Street from Stuart Street to West Street, you'd pass nine movie theatre marquees. You wouldn't necessarily want to visit most of them, but they were there and open.

IMAX

By Eighthman | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 1:02pm

I noticed the IMAX signs when I saw "The Day the Earth Stood Still" in December at Boston Common and asked the ticket-tearing guy about it. He said they were still building it.

Yes..let's look at the "causes" of this anti-social behavior.

By dvdoff (not verified) | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 1:40am

Enough of the typical clueless liberal pondering on the root causes of violence at the Loew's Boston Common. Here's a simple solution; get the frickin theater to pony up for a salt and pepper BPD detail on Friday and Saturday nights. Believe me, nothing sends a message to the unloved by their parents who want to get out of line like the thought of a billy bat to the head.

And if the theater doesn't want to pony up. I bet they can pass the hat to the suckers at who live at the Ritz condos or the high rise next to the theater. I'd bet they be willing to kick in a little to feel safer walking to Starbucks,seeing how they all thought they were going to be living in Boston's answer to Central Park West.

Uh...

By david_yamada | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:29am

...dvdoff, is there anyone you're NOT angry at?

Angry

By anon (not verified) | Tue, 02/17/2009 - 5:57am

but right. This is really the only solution.
As for me, I saw the writing on the wall as soon as that place opened. I haven't been there for years, and am less likely to ever go back now. Since nobody else seems to be willing to say it, let an anon breach it: it's a ghetto movie theater.

And yeah, it's gotta be doing wonders for the property values at the Ritz to have back-to-back ghetto stabbings in the same building.

Look at it this way....

By anon (not verified) | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 8:20pm

I think that it is important to note that all these occurrences happened before these people got upstairs and into an auditorium. Every weekend we have police detail and security officers in the building so that our guests AND staff are kept safe. It is a large building and it takes a lot of people to make things run smoothly and on Saturday thousands of people came through those front doors. Do you honestly expect us to be able to keep track of every single person, out of over 10,000, that could potentially make trouble for the other patrons?

Yes, yes I do

By adamg | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 9:48pm

This isn't some "Mad Max" or "Batman" movie where security is yours if you survive the gauntlet of post-apocalyptic goons waiting in the shadows below.

Assuming you work at the theater, I can only hope you have your resume updated, because if this sort of thing continues, you're going to find your paying customers wising up and going elsewhere.

Waaaaaaaaaaaah theres too many people !!!!!!!111111ONE

By anon-a-mouse | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:27pm

Really dude? If this kind of stuff is happening in your establishment routinely. It indicates a systemic problem which is your responsibility to solve. 10,000 people and how many security guards? two?

Working there != control

By SwirlyGrrl | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 10:43pm

I'd stop short of going after this anon, who is probably anon for a good reason. They gave us a perspective that we didn't have - a perspective from someone who was there, and of somebody who works in the prevailing conditions.

HOWEVER, working there is NOT the same as having ANY control over staffing, staff placement, or systematic security procedure. You may have a lot of latitude over your job tasks and performance, but your typical ticket seller or usher or popcorn vendor has nothing to say about how many people are around or where they are posted or what they do.

This person sounds somewhat frustrated by the same things that are being discussed on this thread: theaters are too big, staff is cut to the bone, and there is no attempt by management to change the operating parameters to keep patrons and staff safe. I think it is more constructive to make a note of what they have to say, and then move on to the people who do have control: the theater chains, the management, etc.

Or government in general

By anon (not verified) | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:10pm

Or government in general when we blindly hand over our rights/responsibilities to The Powers That Be.

This is actually a great precautionary parable about healthcare/fairness doctrine/chips in the registration stickers.

of course

By anon-a-mouse | Mon, 02/16/2009 - 11:47pm

by your I meant the establishment's responsibility, not Joey ticket-taker. And this anon took a very responsible tone, as if he had some stake in things there. It sounded defensive, I am inferring that this is someone who could make a difference. I don't see it so much as a perspective as I do a defense. Maybe I'm wrong.

The real problem here is the

By anon (not verified) | Sun, 02/22/2009 - 8:02pm

The real problem here is the entire system, parent, teachers, police, and the stabbers are all to blame. And the victim is the movie theatre and the honest moviegoers. Would this guy have gotten stabbed even if he wasn't at the theatre? Probably. Would this guy have been stabbed inside the police headquarters? Wouldn't be the first time someone gets stabbed in a police station. It's just very unfortunate that the movie theatre now has to face a bad wrap because some hoodlum went into the theatre, just like if anyone would walk into your local Best Buy, and stab someone. In fact, for those of you familiar with this particular theatre, this happened in the main lobby, where anyone can enter, paying or non-paying customer. So what is the theatre supposed to do? Install metal detectors on the door? Let me guess what your responce would be, "I'm not going to that theatre cause they have metal detectors on the doors, too much of a hassle, I'll stay home and rent a movie." So the hoodlums keep stabbing people, you decide to stay home and rent because of a million excuses (the economy is bad, people getting stabbed, metal detectors, insert lame excuse here) and the real loser in the end is the theatre. It's too bad they get the bad wrap considering anything they do will not benefit them in any way. As it is, they had off duty police officers working that same day. Did that help? Nope, people still got stabbed. So for anyone that wants to comment further on this, you should maybe come up with solutions for the theatre that you would be happy with. Since I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen, I wish you all a good day.

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