Gang member shot at Mattapan home he was ordered to stay away from
By adamg - 2/14/11 - 10:51 am
Boston Police tweet somebody was shot not long after 9 a.m. at 60 Goodale Rd.; was taken to the hospital and is expected to survive.
The victim told police he was shot while taking out the trash. A source says the man is a member of the Lucerne Street gang and had a probation order that he stay away from the address; he will now be charged with a probation violation.
A little more than a year ago, another man was shot to death outside that address.
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gun crimes kill
There's 63.6% chance the gun used in this crime came from out of state.
There is a 90% chance that
There is a 90% chance that the shooter is a criminal.
Good Thing
Good thing the laws are so onerous that only law-abiding citizens can obtain guns. We can check the ballistic fingerprint of the bullets, check them against the records in place, and identify the shooter today.
Oh, wait -- this guy probably got his gun from a straw purchaser who bought the gun in another state. And the NRA pulled out all the stops fighting the creation of records that could link a particular bullet to the gun that fired it and the person who bought it, even though 73% of Americans (and 60% of lawful gun owners) supported it.
Oh well!
great point
except you're dead wrong and it doesn't work.
Most of these politicians that want things like micro stamping don't understand firearms and it shows in their ridiculous ideas. To microstamp a firing pin for example is extremely difficult and costly, to replace that firing pin with one that's not microstamped is a simple process. This happens all the time; firing pins break.
MA requires an FA-10 form for all firearms purchases in this state, which is more than most states require; and yet we have more gun crime than many of those states which require very little like Vermont.
Criminals are criminals are criminals. Inanimate objects don't change that.
And since you're tossing around stats (73% and 60%) please cite your source.
Wait a minute...
Could it be that we have more gun crime than other states BECAUSE more gun-related things are considered crimes?
It's like making it illegal to bite your fingernails. The crime rate would increase exponentially, because all of a sudden, this thing that you do out of habit is now a crime!
I could, of course, be entirely incorrect!
It's a crying shame
I was forced to stop clipping my fingernails with a gun when I moved here.
Tyranny!
More than a Firing Pin
Microstamping the firing pin would be useless in identifying the source of a projectile used in a revolver. Documenting the striations left by a barrel would not. You want to replace the barrel on your FAMAS? There's no problem in keeping a record of the replacement's lands and grooves.
Stat source is ABC News:
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/ballistics_poll021022.html
Criminals are criminals are criminals. No argument there. But if it were as simple as "inanimate objects don't change that," then the majority of homicides in America would be committed with lawfully-owned kitchen knives, which are in literally every home. They aren't. They're committed with handguns owned by people without licenses.
I understand why the NRA wants criminals to have easy access to guns. Killers have to buy their weapons somewhere, and every crime gun was once a legal gun whose manufacturer made money off the sale. And it goes without saying that armed criminals make a good argument for armed homeowners, so there's money to be made there, too.
I just don't understand why members of Congress want to make it so easy for criminals to buy weapons that injure and kill their constituents. It's almost like they have someone else's best interests at heart.
The Geography of Gun Deaths
The Geography of Gun Deaths by Richard Florida, The Atlantic
A chart that includes suicides,
that's a great way to inflate the numbers to support your position.
Hey, at least it only includes GUN-related suicides.
Instead of cyanide related ones, for example...
The article I posted was research
I don't think it had an agenda. Suicide by gunshot is in fact gun crime.
You're just as dead whether
You're just as dead whether its you or someone else who shoots yourself. Studies have shown that the presence of guns in a home increases the risk of suicide.
You're just as dead if you
You're just as dead if you slit your wrists, take too many sleeping pills or jump off the Tobin. Should we include those stats in accidental death reporting?
By including suicides in 'gun crime' stats the publisher is intentionally boosting the numbers.
Just as with homicide
Suicides by gun are more successful and are carried out much more impulsively.
So? Most people aren't scared
So?
Most people aren't scared about suicide crimes. They're worried about robberies, random shootings, and gang type violence.
Gun laws won't prevent people from buying guns to kill themselves. Unless you want to ban all guns.
There are very few spontaneous gun suicides in this state. It took me 3 months to get my license.
Depends on definition of "spontaneous"
No, very few suicides happen just out of the blue. I didn't mean "spontaneous" in that way.
What I meant is that more people follow through and are successful with firearm suicides than other methods because when one decides to do it, one can just grab the gun and do it. Other methods require more preparation/planning/skill and also allow more time to change one's mind during the process.
It's the same with homicides -- hell, if all people who had a beef with one another were only allowed to fight with bare hands, not under the influence of anything, with both parties informed of the time and place beforehand, I actually wouldn't have a terribly big problem with solving problems with violence.
bare hands fights are great
bare hands fights are great if you have two beefy guys going at it.
What if you're a 100 lb girl and some 240 lb thug wants to mess with you? Or, if you're a skinny lawyer walking through the commons with your iphone and 4 20 year olds decide they want it?
Should you just take a beating or rape because you can't defend yourself?
Guns are a great force equalizer. Inner city gun crimes and suicides are a minuscule fraction of gun owners, yet some want to restrict or ban every gun in the country. I get all out of sorts when people want to ban them because of what a few gang bangers in the hood start shooting each other.
There were 108 drunk driving deaths in 2009 in Ma. Yet only 93 of the 169 murders in Ma were with firearms that same year. http://www.centurycouncil.org/learn-the-facts/statefacts/states/MA
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_20.html
People here would take away the constitutional rights of everyone in this state to prevent 93 murders. You'd save more lives by banning cars.
If people really wanted to do something about gang shootings, they'd ask for better laws on the shooters, not their guns.
One problem
Unless you have that gun already in hand at a distance, that 240lb thug can just take it away from you - and use it on you.
well, you can say that about
well, you can say that about any protective device(pepper spray, knife, cell phone, etc). I'll take my chances and stand up against anyone who attempts to take away my right to do so.
wasn't there another shooting
wasn't there another shooting at this same address just last year?
Not just a shooting
A murder. I've updated the post to reflect that.
"taking out the trash"
Isn't that a tough-guy line?