Two shot overnight; brings weekend total to eight
By adamg - 7/4/11 - 9:30 am
AlertNewEngland reports a man was shot repeatedly around 1 a.m. at Harvard Street and Ripley Road in Dorchester, followed about an hour later by a shooting on Ridlon Road in Mattapan.
The Globe reports there were six shootings before those two, including the South Boston gunman shot by the brother of the guy he was robbing.
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Again, it's Harvard St
the same area that we've had so much violence including last week's shooting of a 4 year old. I have two questions: What is it about this little neigborhood that makes it the location of so many of the shootings in the City? What's there? A tavern? A halfway house? Also: Does the BPD track minor crime, complaints, incident reports the way Bill Bratton did in order to deploy manpower and resources where needed and likely to happen?
poverty is what is there
unemployment is what is there. http://onpoint.wbur.org/2011/06/29/black-unemployment
drug and alcohol dependence are what's there.
Throughout the history of urban areas, places where the chronically poor are concentrated tend to be places where people turn to alcohol and drugs to numb their despair and violence to vent their rage. Many times the ugliest and most violent crimes committed are done while the perp is under the influence of something.
Cape Verdean gang rivalries a
Cape Verdean gang rivalries a big problem in this area of Dorchester.
I haven't followed the specifics of the most recent shootings but these gang rivalries have accounted for many of the shooting in this specific area.
The gangsters are ruthless and there's a cycle of retaliation and retribution. (And innocents caught in the crossfire.)
(Note this comment is meant in no way to slight the CV community at large- just the gangsters who happen to be of that background.)
Up to at least 12 so far, and
Up to at least 12 so far, and still an hour to go until midnight.
doesn't help our police are busy fucking around on details
Guarding the "homeland", of course. I'd like to see some from the state police and national guard take a walk through these neighborhoods in Dorchester...
There were so many police boats this evening with flashing blue lights, I almost didn't notice the fireworks. DCR, Boston Police, State Police, Cambridge Police, Coast Guard...everyone's gotta show off how big their
dickDHS equipment grant money budget is.Cops work details on their day off. Cutting them won't add cops
@anon 12:55 am: There are persuasive arguments for and against cutting police details, but the belief that cutting details adds more police for patrol work is a misnomer. Police are only eligible for details and overtime during the time when they are off-duty from their regular shifts, i.e. the equivalent of a civilian's weekends and holidays. If details are eliminated, the officers will stay home or vacation on the Cape etc. during their days off. Details, however futile in some cases, provide more police, not less. I agree that the DHS grants are excessive and have been abused, not the least of which is the Middlesex Sheriff's Department (jail guards) having a full-fledged "patrol" boat at a cost of tens of thousands in "grant" money.
Yea what a stupid idea.
To have police boats in the water during the busiest boat day of the year? How stupid.
Almost as stupid
As having increased patrols in areas prone to violence on a hot holiday weekend. But nobody shot anyone else from a boat, so I guess the results speak for themselves.
And did they have that Michael?
Do you know how many extra patrols there were in each area Michael? It sounds like you do so you might want to share that with everyone.
Can you include the arrest statistics for those areas as well from this past weekend and compare it to other years?
Gee, no, I don't have access to detailed manpower logs
But if I did, and the power to do anything about it, I might wonder if there was a little too much presence on the water and a little too little among the landlubbers who spent the weekend shooting one another.
I guess you can wonder.
But Public Safety officials do more than wonder when they staff police, fire, and ems for events like the 4th of July. Believe me that when I tell you for every x amount boats, you are going to want y amount of police, and z amount of police if there is possible drinking and fireworks involed. Staffing levels usually reflect that. They aren't taking away guys from the street to go on boats. They are making the guys that work on boats work during the 4th of July in their boats.
I don't know how many boat calls there were, but I do know that when you have a few thousand people in a certain area, public safety staffing needs to reflect that.
it wasn't just on the water
Every damn streetcorner for a mile around had at least 3-4 cops standing around looking bored, with their personal vehicles or cruisers left nearby, flashers blazing away and engines idling wasting fuel. Those are cops that could have been patrolling in our neighborhoods where people were actually making trouble, and the proof is in the pudding with all the stabbings and shootings. Nobody was shot or stabbed at the Esplanade, the police didn't prevent anything by arresting anyone, etc.
There's never been a history of violence or a need for the size of the police force deployed. It's insanely expensive. Why do we keep allowing it to happen?
Who is going to pay for that?
History hasn't shown that 4 murders happen in random areas of the city every 4th of July weekend. History has shown that public safety is needed around large crowds.
If you have some research on public safety deployment, please share it with the mayor and those in charge.
I see that those in charge
...have decided to patrol the violent neighborhoods more.
Yeah, during the daytime
There are cops in cruisers sitting around on Harvard St, Talbot Ave, Columbia Rd, etc. during daylight hours, but then around dusk they start to disappear.