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White pair charged with beating black T worker as he closed Downtown Crossing station
By adamg on Mon, 11/17/2014 - 9:55am
Witts and Snyder.
Two homeless people will be arraigned today on charges they brutally attacked a T worker - even ripping hair out of his scalp - when he tried to usher them out of the Downtown Crossing station early Sunday.
When Transit Police arrived around 3:30 a.m., the inspector was "bleeding profusely" from the nose and had numerous bruises on his face, according to a police report. Officers also observed fresh hair and blood on the sidewalk, "spreading across an area approximately 30 feet in length."
Police say they quickly collared the two - who began screaming racial epithets about both the black T employees who tried getting them out of the station and black T cops.
According to the report, an inspector was escorting Robert Snyder, 45, and Shayla Witts, 28, out of the station and onto the street when Snyder sucker punched him and then put him in a bear hug. The woman then "began punching his head and ripping his hair out of his head."
The T worker was taken to Tufts Medical Center. Police quickly found the pair, whom they say are "well known" to them, and began talking to them on the street.
Snyder allegedly smiled as he admitted punching the inspector "a few times." Police say he had blood stains on his shirt.
According to police, the two repeatedly referred to "niggers" to describe a total of three MBTA employees who tried to get them out of the station, including the one they allegedly beat.
Witts allegedly told officers that Snyder had "done 17 years in prison and doesn't take shit from niggers" and that he "isn't down with the niggers."
They're scheduled for arraignment today in Boston Municipal Court on charges of aggravated assault and battery and civil-rights violations.
Innocent, etc.
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She seems nice.
She seems nice.
Familiar, too. What stations
Familiar, too. What stations does she usually hang out in?
Like a broken record
When are the cops going to institute a zero tolerance policy for the Common and DTX?
The entire area is over run with drug activity.
I was speaking to someone who works for the BID the other day and I was explaining to her that the area around the Irish Famine Memorial (where I work) has become dangerous. I said that tourists are being intimidated and that the spot really needs a police presence or at least a bike cop to stop by ONCE in a while.
Her response was that EVERYONE is experiencing the same thing. There have been robberies everywhere and there is a rampant problem everywhere in DTX!!
I took it to mean "Get in line." "I'm not even going to address this."
As a matter of fact when a vendor there had a problem with a drugged out person threatening to kill him and he asked one of the BID's ambassadors to call the police he was told to call them himself.
So the problem runs pretty deep.
I've seen it happen
Two drugged out white couples were harassing an African Vendor, the vendor was being called just about everything. Then the white women said something and the vendor speared the woman onto Tremont st,
No Police came even though it was next to Park St Station and it was very Nice Summer day.
erm
> Two drugged out white couples were harassing an African Vendor,
> the vendor was being called just about everything.
> Then the white women said something and the vendor speared the woman
Er...the African vendor speared the woman? I must be missing something about this anecdote.
Bad choice
Should have picked the African Vendor of little giraffe statues, not the African Vendor of traditional Zulu weaponry.
Speared with zebra-shaped salad fork
Not funny I know but yeah--I tripped over "speared" too.
When they can be proven to be effective?
Would be nice if they were ever shown to be effective at anything other than getting the police departments sued for taking out their bigotry on honest citizens.
"Snyder allegedly smiled"
This is the kind of stuff that actually makes me feel sick to read. As much as we all complain about the T, can you imagine having this as your job? Staying late at Downtown Crossing, and when you try to close the station, two people brutally attack you for doing your job...it's disgusting. And based on the write-up here, they actually seem quite pleased with themselves for beating another human being. Please find these two next to "sociopath" in the dictionary. I really hope that they end up with more than just a slap on the wrist.
and people
seem to chastise the T workers for "not caring" or "not doing the right thing" when it comes to assisting people or getting people to 'move along'. (a conversation on here about strollers and handicapped people not getting seats/space comes to mind)
This is my point exactly... why should T workers put themselves in harms way? I wouldn't either. Either just let it slide or get beaten up. Which one would you choose?
Edit: fixed horrible spelling mistakes
You'd like to think that
You'd like to think that politely asking someone to move their stroller or give up their seat to someone who needs it more would not constitute putting oneself in harm's way, but I take your point :-(
Correct
You'd like to think so.. but I've seen Bus drivers ask people... who were sitting in the wheelchair spot on a bus to *nicely* move so someone can get on. Most people will, but a few people.. who feel they are self-important, won't and will make a stink about moving.
Its THOSE people that are the issue. And frankly, there are many people out there who are just unstable and will lash out at anyone. It's these folks that MBTA workers have to watch out.
What were they so upset about?
It's gorgeous outside!
Hmmm
Maybe there should be transit police present when closing some stations. I don't think anyone other than an armed police officer should have to deal with this kind of shit.
And very little is going to happen to them.Might get a year at South Bay,with time served, because of the added civil rights violation.
And if the 'armed' police
And if the 'armed' police officer had seen the situation escalate the headline could have been, "Police officer shoots innocent homeless couple who was just trying to stay warm in the T". And the Occupy set would be protesting in the streets today.
Just remember when we are all complaining about the police, that these are the people they often have to deal with. (And btw, I agree that T workers also should not have to deal with these scum).
Someone earlier wrote:
>>>>Maybe there should be transit police present when closing some stations. I don't think anyone other than an armed police officer should have to deal with this kind of shit.
And very little is going to happen to them.Might get a year at South Bay,with time served, because of the added civil rights violation.
Picture is worth a thousand words
These two are the face of what has become of Downtown Crossing. Disgusting wretched human beings.
Melodramatic, much?
Let me guess: you neither work in a downtown office or lived in the city in the 70s and 80s.
I work in a downtown office,
I work in a downtown office, I lived in the city in the '80s (only late '80s though), and while I wouldn't put it in "the face of" terms, I do think the DTX area has changed for the worse recently. Just one person's subjective data point.
Hate to break it to you
but the 80's ended 2 and a half decades ago. Downtown Crossing has never really been known as the best part of town, but it is, or at least had been nothing like it once was.
Everyone seems so quick to say we've always had crime on the Common, in DTX, and anywhere else anything happens, and while that may be true, it's hard to ignore the uptick in crime as of late.
And if that doesn't do it for you, here's some data from BPD:
7% YoY increase in crime for district A-1 from Jan 1-Nov 10, including 2 homicides this year to 0 last year, and a 10% increase in assault/attempted assault.
You may have the 'good old days' back soon enough.
It was not as bad as it is now
"Let me guess: you neither work in a downtown office or lived in the city in the 70s and 80s"
I am a Bostonian and have worked in the DTX area since the 70s. I can categorically state that in the 70s and (much of) the 80s it was NOT as bad as it is now. In the 70s there were a smattering of homeless, and seldom were they overtly aggressive. It exponentially grew in the 80s, until it became the full fledged dangerous problem it is today. When DTX was plain Washington Street with through traffic, there was less lingering. That ghastly "Irish Famine Memorial" was not there either, to serve as a gathering place of the strung out population. Of course, in the 70s and (much of) the 80s, DTX was still a thriving shopping destination. That is sadly a thing of the past.
This.
And I'm glad that there's someone beside me (whose family members came here fleeing the famine) who hate that stupid memorial. I don't blame it for the decline (I miss that area being flanked by Borders and the Globe Corner Bookstore) but ugh...it doesn't help.
I thought everyone hated the
I thought everyone hated the Irish Famine Memorial. It's a hideous travesty, and a disgrace to the actual tragedy it attempts to memorialize.
Pedestrian mall = loitering mall, less business
Yes, closing off Washington street sure accomplished two things: increased loitering in the area by the homeless and drug addicted, 2. Retailers closing up and leaving. All that despite the great removal of sex-oriented businesses that used to be around there.
Restore traffic flows and parking, then the area may improve!
You clearly know nothing of the area
Seriously. Nothing.
Dirty John , Joe and Nemo ,
Dirty John , Joe and Nemo , Izzy Ott , name those dudes , Swirls , you are on the clock! On a lighter note , I was awalking down there, ( not in search of Princess Cheyenne either ) and I went into the IA building to freshen up. Security made me sign in, when I mentioned destination, the gatekeeper told me they had moved , no mens room for you. Who knew , never got the memo...
What took you so long?
I thought something was missing from this thread. Turns out, it was MarKK arguing that lack of cars is the problem. Because if there's one thing everyone agrees on, it's that there aren't enough cars in downtown Boston.
Clearly, if cars were allowed at DTX, Witts and Snyder could have been parked on Winter Street and living in their car, instead of hanging around the subway in the middle of the night. Win-win!
Well, Mark,
...the next time an attack occurs in Dot or Mattapan, I hope you remember to blame it on traffic patterns, not.... anything else.
Pedestrian Mall
It isn't a pedestrian mall at all any more.When it was there was an outdoor marketplace on both sides of the street. There were vendors selling their goods and it was busy. Every place you see a person sleeping in a doorway there was a pushcart. The BID and the property owners on the BID board have systematically removed all the outdoor vending except for a few satellite locations on the outskirts that are quickly failing.
When there were cobblestone streets and a full 55 location outdoor marketplace it was always busy and the rif raff had to go somewhere else to sell drugs and to do drugs.
When I had pushcarts out there I would not ever let anyone lay on the ground near me nor would I put up with crime. I was the one who called 911 and I was the one picking up the garbage near my cart. I had to. It was the rules. We each had a garbage can.
Mayor Menino saw the value in keeping the area festive and active. Today it is not. and it is a shame.
I remember walking through
I remember walking through this area with some California-based coworkers around 1990. This particular time really stuck in my memory, because they were really quite taken aback at the sheer volume of foot traffic - not what they were used to experiencing at all. And I thought to myself, "Hmm, typical downtown day when work lets out."
Marty has barely been in
Marty has barely been in office long enough for it to go downhill as much as you say without Menino at the helm.
What in the world are you talking about?
I, along with several thousand other people, walked right down Washington Street this morning. I can assure you that Washington St is not closed off. And to tell you the truth, in the 25 plus years I have been going there regularly, I can't ever recall it being closed off, even during construction or emergencies.
To cars, Neal, to cars. Cars
To cars, Neal, to cars. Cars are what matter to Markkkkk.
Right
We used to always joke that everyone was allowed to drive down Washington Street between Temple Place and Bromfield Street except us.
It has never truly been a pedestrian zone. Mail trucks, UPS, garbage trucks, all manner of city vehicle, and many many civilian vehicles drive through there all day with little if any enforcement.
I wonder what exactly Anthony Pangaro's (Millennium Partners ie: the Filene's building) plan is for the street immediately abutting his shiny new building. As I said, he made darn sure to chase away all the vendors except for the temporary Roche Brothers fruit stand. (Lambert's was exiled to Chinatown) Whenever I mentioned that the new kiosks should be put in between Macy's and the new building on Summer Street I was told to forget it in no uncertain terms.
The outdoor block parties were kicked out, all the tables removed and now the area is just a cement empty court yard.
Since he's the boss along with all the other deep pocket developers I wonder what it will all look like when it's done.
Probably exactly like it is now except there will be a few less construction vehicles.
For some reason
there's a species of urbanite who seems to think that crime isn't the problem, but that it's everyone else's problem for "being weak" and thinking crime is unacceptable.
Did you just get here?
There have been plenty of conversations on UHub recently about DTX and the recent sharp decline--there are plenty of us "old timers" here but this stuff is new and unsettling. Part of the problem is that there's just not enough healthy, regular commercial activity that there used to be--the balance is off.
Old Timer?
How old do you have to be to be considered an old timer? I just want to see where I measure up.
Ha!
I kind of winced as I wrote that but hmm...I'd say anyone who ever ate a Bailey's sundae or a Jordan Marsh blueberry muffin!
Guess I qualify then
as a trip to Baileys was a standard requirement when I'd go into Boston with my mother (or sister in later years) on a shopping trek.
Damn
Guess I'm old then. I don't feel old.
You can still get the muffins
You can still get the muffins , Barry and Eliot bought the recipe, they are available at Avon Jordan's , not to be confused with Jordan Marsh.Not baked in the subway though , think Montilio's bakes them.
I worked at baileys in
I worked at baileys in highschool. Mid to late 80s. Back then the card shop of baileys was getting robbed regularly and rats regularly ran throughout the store. I used to work at Tellos too. So i guess i am old. But we could shop in DTX without too much trouble. The addiction problem is all over but as there are several homeless shelters/ homeless veterans service orgs in DTX area that's what you get.
Roche Bros. will help -- I hope?
The last seven years of vacancy at the very center of the shopping district have really damaged it.
The negligent landlord of the abandoned former Barnes & Noble also bears considerable responsibility for the neighborhood's decline.
The negligent landlord of the
I'm sure he's really sorry about that.
Yes, that neighborhood was
Yes, that neighborhood was murdered, and I blame everyone involved in the Filene's building fiasco with some left over for the B&N landlord.
How about I lived in the city
How about I lived in the city whole life and still do, work part time for xmas job just about every winter in downtown, and have an elderly parent living on the edge of downtown? I am down that area at least once a week. Also even though I do drive, I take the train when going downtown, copley, etc. Is that good enough for ya?
How can anyone who spends a decent amount of time down there NOT notice the cretins, is my question?
speaking of pictures
Who beat her up? Snyder, or the cops?
The ugly stick.
The ugly stick.
These two kissed at their arraignment. It was on the news and ruined my appetite for dinner completely.
If he did seventeen years in the can with that attitude
I'm sure he was down with "the niggers" a lot more than he wanted to be.
U R Ignorant
Wow, did you read what you typed? Hmmmm. Your attitude is no better than theirs.
You'll forgive my ignorance
if I can forgive yours.
On The Street
The N-word ( I'm surprised it wasn't censored) is VERY commonly used, by everyone, black, brown, Asian, white, and everything in between. I'm sure you know this. I understand it may have shock value with the more delicate and sheltered among us.
I posted a previous commented regarding police being present when some stations close. I agree with everyone who says these two sad individuals are disgusting. However, a few things:
Are they addicts? Alcoholics? Afflicted with mental illness? Considering the volume of self-described progressives on Uhub, I'm a little taken back by the vitriol. Don't they deserve compassion and understanding? Aren't they 'oppressed'? Would they fall into that category if their skin color or so-called race was different? Would there be nearly the volume of vitriolic posts if they were say, for example, black and the T supervisor assaulted was white? If they were 'Hispanic' and the supervisor was Asian? I don't think so.
We have Democratic, so-called progressive leadership in this city and state. It's been this way for a LONG time. Why is there so many mentally ill, homeless, drug addict, alcoholic people on the streets? What has our outgoing FOB (Friend of Barack) governor done on this important issue? What did our previous mayor for life (deceased and R.I.P.) accomplish with this important issue? He was a darling of self-described progressives in this town. The actual overall numbers of such problem folks is not that great, WHY is it do difficult to tackle?
I hope the T supervisor is OK. And T management needs to get ON THE BALL on this and other vital issues. Our political leadership also need to get ON THE BALL dealing with the clusterphuk that is the T, and the unacceptable situation with the homeless, mentally ill, etc. I described above.
Great comment
Things will get worse before they get better, I fear.
Not the $37M Condo Type, I think.
Does anyone want to gander the amount of heroin that will be attempted to be shot into veins in the Roche Bros. bathrooms when they open?
May these two find Framingham and Norfolk lovely new addresses going forward.
Ya know ...
You could've said the same thing about parts of the South End 30 years ago. For better or worse, the sort of people who pour tons of money into real estate are going to pour tons of money into security. We can only hope they obey the niceties of the constitution while they're at it.
Did you happen
to watch the Bourdain episode in MA last week?
It touched on the rampant Heroin epidemic out in the burbs of western MA.
That's nothing compared to what's going on in the city.
What boggles my mind is how no one is really talking about it. Most of the crime is drug related.
I didn't see Bourdain
Was the allusion to the suburbs west of Boston, or "suburbs" of Springfield or Pittsfield?
way out there
He was in Greenfield.
Bourdain’s ‘Parts Unknown’ episode draws mixed reviews
http://www.recorder.com/home/14296770-95/bourdains-parts-unknown-episode...
Not surprising
A lot of people are only too happy to keep sweeping this sort of problem under the rug, and assuming that it only happens in big cities.
Greenfield is not a suburb
While I know a lot of people refer to anything outside a city as "the burbs", there's a considerable difference between the suburbs surrounding a city like Boston, a small city or town like Greenfield, smaller towns and villages, and rural areas. Greenfield is located some distance from any large city and is not a "suburb" by any definition -- and rural poverty creates just as many problems as urban poverty, only with fewer resources to alleviate it.
Agreed
I shouldn't have referred to it as the burbs. I stand corrected.
Credit to Cappy
I was going to agree as well, but I credit Cappy for that most unusual of Internet phenomena - acknowledging a misstatement.
For the record, I love Greenfield. It's problems in this regard are relatively well known, but it's many virtues are less so:
http://www.yankeemagazine.com/article/travel/greenfield-massachusetts
On a related note, it will be interesting to see whether the improved Amtrak service coming through there is going to make it an even more desirable place for people (particularly moneyed retirees) to settle. It has happened in places further down the valley.
A friend from Worcester
posted this list of MA's most violent towns and it did surprise me. Northampton, Great Barrington...Nantucket? Oak Bluffs? http://m.golocalworcester.com/news/50-to-1-mas-most-violent-cities-and-t...
I've been in downtown Northhampton recently.....
And there is more sketchy stuff going on in that town at 2am than any part of Boston. Probably 10x as many troopers driving around as well too. I can't imagine what Holyoke is like at 2am....
Misleading data
The localities are ranked by rate of violent crime per 1000 residents. Of course, the usual suspects (hello, Brockton!) come out on top. But interspersed among these are a handful of fancy tourist destinations. Why might a locality like Great Barrington, or Oak Bluffs (#47 out of 50) show a higher than expected rate of violent crime per 1000 residents?
I can think of two reasons. First, these are tourist destinations that have an increased quantity of _people_ per 1000 residents. Peak season will see five times as many people in Nantucket as there are residents. If there is a normal rate of violent crime among 50,000 people, it will seem like a high rate of violent crime among 10,000 people. It's not that the residents are more violent than typical people, it's that the visitors are as violent as typical people.
Second, tourist towns also have a higher proportion of unoccupied homes per 1000 residents. Oak Bluffs"Interesting fact from the data: 107 reported incidencts of Larceny in the last year." Great Barrington: "Interesting fact from the data: In 2013, there were 124 reported incidents of property crime."
If I were the larcenous sort I'd look for a place full of empty mansions to rob on the off-season too.
...but...
Northampton isn't a tourist destination, and Greenfield is even less of one.
8 forcible rapes in Nantucket?
I find that stat odd.
Amtrak service
While I don't need it for my commute, I'm pretty psyched to see this. A bunch of us are planning to ride the train to White River Junction the first day it stops in Greenfield.
haha
I'm from that area (WRJ) I sure hope you have something to do there.. WRJ = Snooze fest. Head over the river to West Lebanon if you want action..
Well, you know, somewhere.
Well, you know, somewhere. The point is the train ride!
"Western MA"
"Western MA"
Private interests won't worry about the constitution.
If you mean the private interests who are/will be dumping the money in, they will not be much concerned about constitutional issues.
I suppose that when the police come under pressure from the moneyed private interests to "do something" then we might be concerned about constitutional matters, but truthfully, based on what I hear on this site alone, the situation in and around DTX might be getting to a point where even the watchdogs might be willing to cut the cops a bit more slack than usual.
The Condo Office is already out front on this
The sales office at the corner of Hawley and Franklin has a doorman already out front. The security at 33 Arch is very good on shooing people away who want to bivouac under the garage overhang. I will also agree that element at the Irish Famine Memorial is starting to look like a little like the before statues instead of the Peter Pan after statues.
I agree with Adam's statements on the South End from 30 years ago. That is why the Dartmouth Street entrance to Copley Place isn't as welcoming as the Copley and Pru entrances and the security desk sits right in front of the top of the escalator. It was to manage the traffic coming up from what was then a much less desirable area on top of the Orange Line traffic.
The company I work for
The company I work for definitely doesn't give a shit from what I've seen. It's weird, with them building multi multi million dollar penthouses and all, you'd think they'd try and invest in the neighborhood. proBut nah.
I don't mean to say that I think they're (or any company in the area) is solely responsible for keeping specific areas safe, but I do think they have the cash to throw around to help area social grams.
I saw the same bs going on when I worked (and briefly lived) in the South End.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect them to spontaneously contribute, though I think they should.
indeed , they sure banished
indeed , they sure banished the pints of muscatel and port out of the neighborhood tout de suit!
No idea
Depends on how much you need to get mellow.
Guess she isn't sober anymore
https://www.facebook.com/shayla.witts
And she's a mom. Very sad all around.
There, but for the grace of God .....
....
It's not easy, but I'm trying to hold in my heart the simultaneous belief that she needs to be in a cage to protect the rest of us, and that she is deserving of our compassion. The FB page helps to put a human face on this.
Most of the compassion that I
Most of the compassion that I would have otherwise felt went out the window when she attacked another human being. I can feel for the hardships of others up until the point that they choose to physically harm people just for the hell of it, and that the two of them clearly seemed to get some kind of sick satisfaction from what they did. I'm not sure that I can have compassion for someone who enjoys torturing others and is completely without remorse.
I struggle with it myself
I struggle to find compassion for her. The place to which she has fallen, and her behavior, are both disgusting.
And yet.... she undoubtedly loves her child as much as I love mine. She was undoubtedly delighted with having been sober for many months, and, perhaps, beginning to look forward to the future with a little spark of optimism.
She surely hates the place she is now, as much as I hate the place she is now; probably more so.
I am not an infinitely benevolent being, but it's illustrative to try to look through the infinitely benevolent being's spectacles, even if they don't fit me at all.
Subtract the drugs
The questions I would pose to you are: Do you think she would be attempting to live inside Downtown Crossing and attacking an MBTA worker if it weren't for the high/low that she was on at the moment due to her drug/alcohol use? If being between fixes or on a bender contributed to this and you doubt she'd have acted this way in lieu of being a drug/alcohol abuser, then shouldn't we attempt to punish her (she still needs atonement for her mistakes) and help her fix her problem so she doesn't do it again (better for her and for us)? Do you think zero compassion and only punishment for her actions will influence her to make better choices or improve herself so this doesn't happen again?
If you don't accept the idea that she might be able to be a better person, then the only reasonable conclusion is to lock her away forever or kill her to save us all the trouble of dealing with her errors in the future. If there's a possibility that she's able to atone for her mistakes and be improved to avoid making them again in the future, then there's at least some compassion for her situation that allows the reasonable conclusion that we should try to work with her to make her a better person for everyone's sake. Instead, we're likely to simply punish her (making us feel like we did something about what she did to us) and then send her back out to make more mistakes without any sustained help (because these days we expect her, and only her, to help herself rise to the top...even though she's clearly showing us that this has not worked for her in the past).
Sure, picking the right solution means effort on her part (it appears she's made efforts in the past). It also means effort on ours, because we absolutely do not do enough to help people fix their underlying problems (often self-inflicted to be sure, but problems nonetheless) which ultimately return back on us in the form of all sorts of violent and non-violent crimes. But our current approach to ignore the better parts of ourselves and let people like her suffer her mistakes isolated from the rest of us until she makes herself our problem again is clearly setup only to perpetuate itself and help neither us nor her in the process.
Fair point
Just something to think about, though - compassion's not an either-or thing. Feeling compassion for the person who was wronged doesn't make it impossible to feel compassion for the wrongdoer, and understanding that it's wrong to harm others doesn't mean you can't feel compassion for how someone got into such a messed-up state.
Looks like she lost her mom
Looks like she lost her mom about the time of her last FB post. I wonder how that effected her sober path. http://www.craigfuneralhome.com/obituaries/Deborah-Cata/#!/Obituary
I wish there were more support systems to get out of the grips of drugs. Maybe if she had help then she would not have been arrested with a class B drug in March of this year. (Cocaine, crack, LSD, oxycodone, oxycontin, ecstacy, hydrochloride, amphetamine, -or- methamphetamine). Not a lot of detox beds out there.
http://www.lowellsun.com/rss/ci_20939785/prostitution-sting-lowell-nets-...
Stinks for her family and everyone that has to deal with the fallout. Including and especially the MBTA employee. Maybe if she is jailed, she can get help again.
The poor kid
I feel so bad for her son.
crazy white people
which one is shayla?
What is wrong with these people?
When will the PC police realize that white people in this country have a culture of violence?? I'm sick of my tax dollars going to subsidize these thugs! Send them back to Europe!!
>gag< >ack< >barf<
Downtown Crossimg Assault
That was the saddest thing looking at her facebook page. I drive by Boston Medical everyday. These homeless criminals are four deep going up the two blocks from Melina Cass Blvd. MUCH worse since Long Island Shelter closed.
maybe Witts and Snyder will
maybe Witts and Snyder will feel better when the Olympics come to town
Orange line
This is all just propaganda to make us forget that the orange line really stinks lately
Mugshots
Why doesn't BPD release mugshots of those arrested for gun related activities?
it's racist.
In all honesty, the BPD/BRIC sends out photos of wanted persons, and I am told that they put in different random races just so it doesn't appear they are singling out one race. There certainly enough crime going around by all races to make out a wanted poster, but deliberately putting less violent people from one race in the poster seems kind of phony.
The fact
they have to think like that is whats wrong with this country!
T cops love mug shots
They put mug shots on every single post.
BPD used to do that as well, back when they'd also go out of their way to embarrass people arrested people for stuff like urinating on the sides of police stations, but they stopped those sorts of posts awhile ago.
Can you link to the source
Can you link to the source for this information? Implying minorities are doing more criminal activity than we think by way of mugshots (and whites are doing less than it appears) comes off as pretty racist if its just something someone told you. How do you know its not just their bias? If its true, please cite the source.
No I'm not saying that...
But if you had to put the top 20 wanted dangerous persons, (and not include those who have already skipped town or are unlikely to be caught) you would have 20 black males gangbangers with fresh warrants. But the BRIC likes to put in different crimes (shoplifting, domestics, assault, etc) in order to spread out the charges. The person who sets this up Is instructed to do this.
You still didn't cite your
You still didn't cite your source.
While you are at it, can you cite the source for the below 'fact'?
Also, what is the point of this qualifier?
Ok.
1. I see the warrant list for the below listed crimes. They are young black males 99% of the time. Go to your local courthouse a pond request the murder and attempted murder warrants and see for yourself.
2. Many criminals have fled, and this includes the most dangerous ones so whitey bugler would have been on this list a few years ago if you didn't exclude them.
Do you really think if you picked a random sample of wanted persons for violent crimes that you would get a different group of races?
Do you really think if you
Yes.
FBI crime stats 2012:
Violent Crime%
white: 58.7
black: 38.5
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-...
Notice white is not 0% of violent crime as you claim above.
Also, "my friend told me" is not a citation, its something you claim some unnamed person told you. If this is true cite where this comes from, if its just your bigoted white pride friend, who cares what they say.
There is violent crime, and there is violent crime.....
I'm not talking about default warrants for Allston/Brighton bar fight summonses, and I'm not talking about domestic assault/victims witness payment default warrants. I'm talking about attempted murder, murder, mayhem, assault with a dangerous weapon (firearm), etc warrants.
Ever been to a Boston courtroom? Ever been to gun court? Ever been to the federal courthouse when they prosecute local gun crimes? Do you even read the news?
My friend is black by the way, but believe what you want and stay ignorant.
Cite?
What's your source on this? And, for that matter, what makes them the "top 20 wanted dangerous persons"? What are the deciding factors?
I know the person who does this.
He told me.
Deciding factors for a most dangerous persons list?
Murder, attempted murder, assault with a firearm, gun possession, armed robbery with a firearm to name a few.
The people who commit these crimes are usually young black males, and these are the people that are the most dangerous to the public if they are not caught. They also wreck havoc on our community through intimidation, violence, and terror.
BPD 20 Most Wanted
http://bpdnews.com/most-wanted/
Here is the link to the current BPD most wanted. It doesn't look to me like they have included non-minorities/gangbangers just for the hell of it. Some of them have committed some extremely serious crimes.
Not a good example to prove your point....
The white people listed in this group are not dangerous, in fact two of them didn't even commit violent crimes, there are more dangerous white people out there that are wanted.
There is a guy on there for annoying telephone calls???
Does this mean I need to turn in my godmother?
I'm willing to bet the
I'm willing to bet the homeless are going to be much more pissed off and violent this season because of the increase in opiate use and also with Long Island being shut. Increase in robberies/thievery together with more people sleeping in train stations and in ATM entries and heated grates to avoid being warehoused and moved around like cattle. Also, increase of the mentally ill on the street as well. Very scary to walk around Boston because you don't know what state of mind these people are in.
any news...
...about the T worker? I hope he is ok?
...gonna take a while to get over this.
I worked in DTX in the 90's. It was bad, then.
I worked at a record store that was located near what was called the "mouth of hell" aka the entrance to the T stop opposite Macy's in the late 90's. We had more people attempting petty theft than we did actual customers, and there was a good amount of violence on a daily basis back then, too. Experienced an armed robbery there in the middle of the day. There was a police "info" area right in front of the store, so that went down literally behind the BPD's back.
I think what's changed is that people have come to think this wasn't going on in Downtown Crossing before. It's a sketchy area and has been for a while.
Bail set at $10,000 for man; $5,000 for womaan
Neither could immediately provide the cash, but the DA's office says a judge did reject a request from prosecutors to revoke their earlier bail: Snyder for disorderly conduct and trespassing at Mass. General, Witts for trespassing at the Haymarket T stop.
It's very interesting
That the man's bail was set twice as high as the woman's. How is she any less dangerous to the public? She only repeatedly punched a man and ripped his hair out, and both are apparently already out on bail for other similar offenses. Is she somehow more likely to appear at trial?
He did 17 years once already.
He did 17 years once already. Presumably they think he may be skittish about going back in.
Assets?
Bail is usually set as an amount that guarantees someone will show up for court. If he had more assets or relatives with more money to put up for him, he could be a bigger flight risk than she is.