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Unpredictable
If someone under the circumstances described puts a gun (real or fake, it can be very difficult to distinguish, even for those experienced with such things) against you, and demands your $ and belongings, it is best to immediately comply, not assume he won't hurt you.
And be careful making snap judgements based on looks (he looked 'young', didn't look like a 'thug', he was polite) and assume things such as 'he doesn't mean it' etc. But the best thing to do is if at all possible avoid places, especially at certain times of day, where getting jumped, robbed, assaulted, are most likely to happen. The areas around southwest corridor orangeline stops are well known and notorious for street robberies. Most of the perps can be traced to the projects. They target a certain demographic whom they perceive have $ and items worth stealing, and will be least likely to fight back.
Stony Brook , or even back
Stony Brook , or even back when the steel was overhead at Egelston , that area has always been hairy. Used to be Green street was the end of the safe zone.
Sounds like you're saying she asked for it?
Better not ride the T at 10pm home. And how dare you walk home by yourself at night, young lady! You're asking to be mugged.
Just sayin...
Your response was solid until you got to the point where we are now supposed to avoid all T stops along the entire southwest corridor. That feels overly paternalistic and not remotely realistic to me. And frankly many of us don't have that luxury.
Nancy , that was not my
Nancy , that was not my thoughts. It meant you have to be aware. I worked in that area , sometimes alone 2 am , 3am , all hours . I went through there as a child on the train , I drank there too. So it is more than remotely realistic ect. And believe me , I was not living any life of luxury back then. It was what it was , and it is what it is. And down the way , at Centre and Columbus , there was a eating shack , Ribs on Wheels , good stuff 2 am , but you had to watch your back , no problemos , amiga. It ain't my monopoly set , but I have been on most of the streets.
I'm not questioning your street cred
I'm just saying that while yes, we all need to be aware of our surroundings (not looking at phone, walking w purpose, etc.) regardless of time of day/night, it's really bad advice to tell someone they just need to stay away from all T stops after a certain time of night.
I think it's worth giving people advice how not to be marked a victim and what to do when in a mugging situation. But I am never okay with advice that just says to avoid an area after dark. That basically says it's your own fault for being in the area at the time.
Lack of awareness of surroundings is fixable and talking about that is a worthwhile solution. Telling me not to take the T after 10pm in my own F'ing neighborhood is not. Big difference. I work until 10pm downtown so when I said some of us don't have the luxury, that's what I meant. Some of us can't just avoid areas, because you know, we LIVE in them.
Nancy , Nancy , Nancy ! No
Nancy , Nancy , Nancy ! No where do I say avoid. Why are you deflecting to that . I say, that you have to be aware where you are , and that area has always been hairy,, whether it is your F'ing neighborhood, or Mr Lodgen's , who had a market there long before.As I said , I worked and drank and rode the MTA in that area, and others much worse. But I always knew where the steel pipe was where and when and if I needed it.( except as a MTA riding child ) . If that what it took , that's the reality of the situation. Denial don't stop the bad guys. And one more thing. When they moved the train from the el to the old NHRR tracks , the new stations were now in a more isolated area requiring more walking, no surprise there that the risk increased. Some of those neighborhoods were dealing getting bad back then , from how I perceived them myself.
Read your own post.
"But the best thing to do is if at all possible avoid places, especially at certain times of day, where getting jumped, robbed, assaulted, are most likely to happen. The areas around southwest corridor orangeline stops are well known and notorious for street robberies."
Your words. Not mine. You absolutely said to avoid these areas and specifically called out the orangeline T stops along the southwest corridor. That's the entire T from Ruggles to Forest Hills. I'm saying that's shitty advice and blames the victim.
I don't need a history lesson. I need to know that if something happens to me my neighbors won't blame me for daring to be a woman out alone at 10pm in my own neighborhood.
Nancy , Nancy , Nancy we have
Nancy , Nancy , Nancy we have a confusion here. Your quoted passage is not from my history lesson, but I am aware of the perils. My own dear sainted mother worked much later at night at the Telephone on Harrison and Essex, and took the el before it was moved over to the corridor.
Unpredictable
By anon (not verified) on Sat, 12/13/2014 - 1:32am
If someone under the circumstances described puts a gun (real or fake, it can be very difficult to distinguish, even for those experienced with such things) against you, and demands your $ and belongings, it is best to immediately comply, not assume he won't hurt you.
And be careful making snap judgements based on looks (he looked 'young', didn't look like a 'thug', he was polite) and assume things such as 'he doesn't mean it' etc. But the best thing to do is if at all possible avoid places, especially at certain times of day, where getting jumped, robbed, assaulted, are most likely to happen. The areas around southwest corridor orangeline stops are well known and notorious for street robberies. Most of the perps can be traced to the projects. They target a certain demographic whom they perceive have $ and items worth stealing, and will be least likely to fight back.
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No one is saying that you can't walk home at 10:00pm at night
and if you do and get mugged (no wish there), you will be blamed (i.e. she asked for it).
I have been mugged, twice in fact, in Boston and JP, many years ago. Not late at night (one happened during the day)..it can happen anywhere, at anytime.
There are sections of the City and its environs where I would not be walking alone, especially at night, because I would not feel safe. That is just me. And if someone informs me that I would be best served not to walk in a certain area, I would heed the advice. Third time may be a charm but not for a mugging.
Talking to the anon
I think the comment was directed at the first anon, who wrote:
"But the best thing to do is if at all possible avoid places, especially at certain times of day, where getting jumped, robbed, assaulted, are most likely to happen."
Her post followed yours but looked like a reply to the anon, not you.
If one doesn't have a choice, it's one thing, but
if and whenever possible, to avoid areas that're known to not be particularly safe, especially at night. During the holiday season, one is even more likely to be picked off. I went to school on the Fenway during the mid to late 1970's, and it was really not a safe place to walk around in at night, at all.
Several of my friends/classmates were mugged and/or assaulted.
I've also known a number of very tough, streetwise people who were also quite proficient in self-defense, who also advised watching one's back while walking around in areas that weren't so safe, particularly at night. What's so wrong about that? Nothing.
Totally agree!
"If someone under the circumstances described puts a gun (real or fake, it can be very difficult to distinguish, even for those experienced with such things) against you, and demands your $ and belongings, it is best to immediately comply, not assume he won't hurt you."
So wait...
... she was NOT in fact mugged. This was an attempted mugging. Her description of the incident says she delayed long enough and shuffled far enough towards Washington Street until the mugger gave up and took off. Am I incorrect? Mugging implies the assailant left with stolen goods. This slick lady's wallet remains intact.
I am very sorry for any psychological anguish she may now be experiencing, as I imagine she must be quite shook. But many, many, many props to this woman for getting away unharmed and unrobbed.
Another note: what the hell took the cops so long to arrive? That's like a :30 second cruise up Washington from the JP police department. Am I mistaken to assume there are on-duty officers chilling at the station, ready to "serve and protect" at all times? Sucks. This dude sounds amateur and so easily caught.
LOL at him being mad polite. "Excuse me, ma'am? Excuse me!?" Def some youngin from a good home, just trying to be harder than he is. Reality check: time to get a job if you need that cash, bro. You ain't cut out for that life.
PS - Kvn and Nancy: chill.
Headline changed
You're right - guy didn't get anything, so she wasn't actually robbed. She was, however, assaulted at gunpoint, so I've changed the headline to reflect that.
The solution is simple
Put transit police in orange line stations and have them ride trains
Just as alarming
A man was robbed on Hubbard St., at gunpoint by two teenagers, on Wednesday, Dec 10. One of the robbers matches the description in this case. The Stony Brook T stop seems to attract this element, especially in the winter when it is dark for most of the day.
I'm not sure what E-13 can do, but I wish they knew and would do it.
I know the cops are feeling piled on right now
but I'll say it again--it'd be great to have s little more sense of a beat being walked, a little more active community policing. I honestly don't know how you budget money and staff to have that feeling of...idk--a little more Officer Friendly? It just sometimes seems like a fortress with no on-foot interaction with the neighborhood at all beyond Ruggiero's.