Bloodshed continues: Two shot on Blue Hill Avenue in Grove Hall, one dead, survivor is 14

Around 6:45 p.m. at Blue Hill Avenue and Cheney Street. Mike LaCrosse at WBZ reports one victim is 14 and expected to survive. The Boston Police Department reports the second victim, believed to be between 18 and 21, was taken to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

This is Boston's third murder in two days.

Violent crimes on 7/5 and 7/6 that UHub has covered (i.e., there could be even more incidents):

  1. 2:36 a.m. Man shot repeatedly, Homestead Street, Roxbury.
  2. 5:30 p.m. Man stabbed to death, Intervale Street, Dorchester.
  3. 11:42 p.m. Shots fired, nobody hit, MLK Boulevard, Roxbury.
  4. 12:25 a.m. Person shot, Cushing Avenue, Dorchester.
  5. 4:30 a.m. Woman beaten, kidnapped, Hyde Park.
  6. 9:30 a.m. 18-year-old stabbed to death, Dudley Square, Roxbury.
  7. 11 a.m. Two shot, Uphams Corner.
  8. 12:36 p.m. Shots fired on Ruggles Street, Roxbury

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2nd look at more funding for

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2nd look at more funding for the BPD anti-gang unit and city anti-gang programs? Or is the mayor and city council just going to do the usual PR blitz and blame game, then pretend the problem is going to go away by itself until the streets run red next summer?

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Let's be honest here...

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City Council has limited power. The Mayor is the one who can truly affect change in city violence by allocating increased funds to combat violence. But I t's not just money for anti gang units and more police. The way to truly affect change in this city is to direct a significant amount of money towards youth intervention and prevention programs to give kids options. If we're being honest here, to address the immense issues that are behind this violence... poverty, job training, food and home insecurity. Additionally, Boston is committed to addressing the problem, our community will commit to spending the money needed to improve education services. A significant number of Boston students are affected by trauma and the aforementioned issues and need supports beyond what a classroom teacher can provide.
Marty Walsh has had his opportunity to address the real issues of violence, jobs, poverty, housing, and education and he hasn't much to show except unsolved murders, tax breaks for GE, failed Olympic/Grand Prix, investigations into actions of his staff, more housing for the rich, and cuts to education. It's time for a change.

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Insecure home? Yes.

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Earlier this week I rode the #1 bus from Harvard. Sitting in front was a woman and her young son, probably less than 5. The son was rambuctious and wanted to stand on the seat. The mother was annoyed by the son's being squirmy. Not that he was doing anything harmful other than putting himself at risk for flying through the bus if the bus suddenly halted. To get him to sit down she slapped her son.

The boy started too cry, quickly rising in pitch but quickly stopped. He probably realized crying was not going to get him anywhere. Meanwhile his mother continued with an apparently more important activity - a video call on her cell phone with a fellow.

When the woman exited the bus the middle age man behind me lauded her hitting her son. He commended her saying she did right.

When I left the bus I challenged him for praising violence against the boy. His reasoning? Racism. Because there is racism in the world (which I, a white man would not understand, but which he a black man would) the boy needs to be hit when he is out of control. The man actually said white children don't need to be hit because they don't experience racism.

So this boy lives in an environment where his mother slaps him to get him to stop squirming. She prefers yammering on her cell phone to paying attention to her son. There is a stranger who validates violence against children. Perhaps there is an extended loving family balancing out this moment; perhaps this was the only time the mother slapped the child. Perhaps the mother is actually kind, loving, caring, nurturing and this was an exception for her.

What are the chances that this boy will grow up to fulfill his potential as an intelligent, loving, socially positive boy?

Perhaps this was anecdotal and is not representative of the child's home life. But if it is representative then this is another child who effectively is being taught that the world is dangerous, that he will need to scrap his way through life and that violence is an acceptable manner of responding to what life throws at him.

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Cool story

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proves nothing. I'm white, I was spanked as a child, I turned out ok. This is a shorter, less preachy anecdote and also proves absolutely nothing.

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spanked as a child?

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bosguy22 not quite sure you have fully processed what Daan is getting at. Yes, you were disciplined with violence but perhaps you were likely within a community where this was not the norm. Perhaps you were in such a community and turned out okay, more credit to you.

To paraphrase Daan, it seems he is suggesting that when a majority of your community condones violence against children, that certainly hinders a child's ability to process that violence is often not the best approach. Yes employing violence could produce short term results with children but I am am certain you do not believe that this should be the default approach. I am not suggesting that there is a sound parenting strategy for all situations, only highlighting the fact that one can almost always do better than to employ violence especially with children. The alternatives do require additional effort from a parent but one hopes this would produce a long lasting change in the child. In the end, the parent is the only person who can determine whether putting in this effort is worth it. As Daan mentioned the mother determined that it was not worth it that day in the bus, and that is unfortunate for the child. It is truly sad however that a stranger stood up for her decision and was unable to reflect on his support for violence against a 5 year old.

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Sweepings generalizations

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"...when a majority of your community condones violence against children, that certainly hinders a child's ability to process that violence..."
Ummm, that's a pretty sweeping generalization. First, who is the "you" in "your community"? Second, what info to you have to support your ridiculously assuming statement?
As an educator I have seen spanking, domestic violence, drug abuse and child neglect in all economic stratas and across all races. Stop reading about these issues and start working and getting to know more people who are not like you.

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Sure, I accept that my

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Sure, I accept that my generalizations were over the top. Just for the record, your last statement is in the same vein as well, in the assumptions you are making about other people's involvement with their community.

The question I feel strongly about is whether a stranger who witnesses "physical discipline of a child in a public place" should come out in support of that action. Among the three possible options - condone, ignore or disagree - is condoning violence against children the best one? I am sure you are not suggesting that strangers vouch for parents employing physical discipline.

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Legal and Ethical issues

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Unfortunately, spanking is legal in MA.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.masslive.com/v1/articles/16394246/supreme...
So from a legal standpoint, a parent can do this. However, from an ethical standpoint, you can intervene. How? Depends on the situation. Call police if there is physical harm. Difficult to do, is to reach out to the parent. Try to engage them in conversation/small talk and humanize the moment. Maybe say the parent looks frustrated, could you help? Interact with the child. It could be a parent having a difficult moment, or it could be a glimpse into a life of emotional or physical abuse. It's hard to know. I've had to file 51As over the years. It's never easy to do, but it's about the child. I don't have all the answers (or maybe any) but I know making assumptions about communities doesn't help anyone.

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Concur on all your points.

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Concur on all your points.

Akin to first aid training it might be worthwhile to impart training to people on how to react to such situations. Some possess this skill naturally, but others (including myself) feel lacking in tools and courage to decide when to intervene and the best way to do so. I have noticed ads on the T with similar messages though not specifically targeted to violence against children - steps in the right direction.

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Physical discipline is not problem

To spank or not to spank is a distraction from the real issue. If a Child does something for attention, they need some. No matter what form of discipline you use, it does not replace teaching them morals. Only thing harder than curbing bad behavior is being ready to reinforce good behavior when it happens. And done correctly, parenting is emotionally exhausting. So don't judge people you see on the bus.

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So she assaulted the child. I

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So she assaulted the child. I would have made a call to the police. It's never ok and the law also applies to children.

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Well the mayor, police chief, govenor, and AG

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all thought top priority was keeping pot illegal, cuz there is NO USE for the funds being used on that otherwise apparently. Or the metric tons of tax revenue that could be generated to..oh I dunno...fund schools or youth programs so that the need for gang units decreases also?

I'll see myself out...

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I think if parents had more

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I think if parents had more resources these kids would have more to do. Roxbury Dorchester Mattapan needs help in the community.

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Mah'ty

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Hey Marty, where you at?

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Honestly

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Honestly funding to the bpd these guys get overtime all the time not enough money when people realize it's not about the money it's about the job and how we truly are doing the job when the oath was taken protect and serve money was not involved there are cops who say I still get a check reguardless my issues I see is cut some of these damm things we reward the community like Carnival it's time our mayor really take some action funding should going to summer camps and jobs put our children to work period camps these kids need to be learning period stop sugar coating it's ridiculous Bus pass for teens why in the hell is it working until 11 at night remember 10 where are your children this is insane I live over here where the violence happens very day action not child left behind all these damm kids need programs fund police I get that but guess what we're at war it's time our mayor cut our losses and cut some things all the way off don't know how to act cut it
Programs it's time instead of making excuses cut it every child from section 8 to low income living to schools needs a program of your child was in school all year point blank period needs a job and summer camp requirement period and as for these gang bangers this is were I'd like to see more cops get these mother fuckers in check I get it they have rights but if they asses ain't working we need programs huge programs to get there ass involved if you ask me send them ass wholes to war put them suckers on a field because their asses don't pay no tax money driving these rent a cars if they not working lock they asses up mayor get tough it's a war out here put your cloths on and tell these idiots enough is enough our government needs to do the same you receive foods stamps your kid needs a summer program you got government money your ass needs to do community service it's time solve these cases you see first 48 we need this down here we need to get shit moving how many cases we have really solved it's time for a sweep of guns take 50 off the street challenge we talk and don't act I'm sick of it it's time gun search random searches who cares anymore your rights feel infringed on oh while get these damm guns off these streets Boston has the funds we are just not putting the money where it belongs

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