Green Party loons heckle survivors of various genocides

Ian Thal watched in disgust as a bunch of Green Party-affiliated hecklers shouted at speakers at a Sunday City Hall rally calling for action against the genocide in Darfur - which they kept yelling isn't happening.

Among the heckled speakers: A 95 year old Armenian man, a survivor of the Holocaust, a survivor of Cambodia's killing fields, a survivor of the Serbian massacres in Bosnia and a survivor of the Rwandan genocide:

... These hecklers spouted verbal abuse at the survivors regardless of the survivors' native lands, skin colors, mother tongue, or religious belief. A quick check of the Boston Anti-Zionist Action blog shows them misrepresenting a protest that was calling for non-violent action as "a racist pro-war rally against Sudan organized by the [...] Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater Boston." Leaving aside the general anti-Semitic tone of the slur, this sort of disinformation leads one to wonder how much else on their blog is false-- including which groups they are allied with. Does the Green party really want to be identified with people who abuse survivors of genocide? I suspect not-- but BAZA clearly wants to identify with the Green Party. ...

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      Stop Attacking Sudan !

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      Stop the US Zionist war on Sudan!

      Stop Your Racist Lies about Muslims, Arabs, Africans and China ! Stop Attacking Sudan !

      Stop The US Zionist war on Sudan ! Hands off Sudans oil, get off Sudans Soil !

      US out of Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Sudan.

      All Zionists out of Palestine, Lebanon, Syria ! Hands off Iran !

      JCRC can you say, how many Arabs did you cluster bomb today ?

      Boston Anti Zionist Action

      http://www.bazabaza.blogspot.com
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      Yup, and that's why nobody

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      Yup, and that's why nobody cares what you have to say...

      try adding to the dialogue instead of barking from your rather small soap box.

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      P.S. Go check out that

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      P.S. Go check out that website, I don't think there a tin foil hat big enough for these people

      "Let's ignore any facts about Burma/Sudan, and use this as an opportunity to attack the US and any other nation"

      I'm going to have to go back and see if they have any postings on tsunami AID and Katrina, that should be fun (disgusting) to read...

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      U iS out of your mind!

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      U iS out of your mind!

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      From the looks of it,

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      they're solidly pro-crazy.

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      Looks like this cluster of

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      Looks like this cluster of idiotic exclamation points and strident ignorance says a lot about this particular individuals mental state and lack of insight--but does it speak for the Green Party? I was not aware that they were as stupid as this article alleges. Did these hecklers speak for the Green Party in any real way? What was their affiliation exactly and is the a Green Party platform officially? That is what always fucks up the left--a few off-message twats make us all look like morons as illustrated above.

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      Do your parents

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      know you're using their computer? You sound like you're about 13 years old.

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      Does the Green Party ever want to be taken seriously?

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      1. The Green Party doesn't necessarily have to be made up of entirely like-minded people, but they are so all-over-the-place disorganized that I'm quite sure many things are done in the party's name that make other members shudder.

      2. Sometimes people from the Green Party make valid points, spoken with clarity and in such a manner that those outside the party can actually understand the message. However, most of the time what we see of them is a whole lot of slogan-eering. The same phrases get shouted over and over (see post above), like a party of parrots. Hm. Republicans like to do that, too.

      3. Free Speech? I'm tired of so-called Green Party representatives shouting down and shouting over anyone within or outside their organization. That's not dialog. That's bullying. Start acting like adults if you want to be heard.

      4. Seriously, Green Party, stop acting like crazy people if you want people to listen. Oh yeah, learn to listen as well.

      5. Why would I give an anti-semitic organization this advice? I don't know. I left the environmental movement when I was in college because I thought we were supposed to save the natural environment but the anti-semitic and schiztophrenic nature of those groups drove me away - FAST!

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      The Green Party Activist Mindset

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      I found this wonderful beginning of a book review of an obscure book/manifesto in my google news feeds one day and saved it because it is so hilarious and telling:

      A staggering 100 percent of U.S. governors, senators, House reps, mayors, major newspaper publishers, editors and the current president of the United States ignore America’s greatest crisis in the 21st century.

      This is EXACTLY how such folk feel about THEIR personal crusade for this or that. Unfortunately, they seem to think they just need to yell louder at each other and at the world so we will all wake up and become enlightened as to the importance of their specific (and I do mean VERY specific) crusade.

      At one point, organizations dealt by chanting inclusive laundry lists that just got longer and longer (see US out of rant above). Unfortunately, too many attempts at uniting people toward a common goal have resulted in attempts to "take over" the group with one's personal issue that is more important than other issues, which cannot possibly be addressed until everybody agrees with my personal issue! Never!

      Multiply that by hundreds and you have the Green Rainbow Party that exists today.

      I find it interesting that most of the other folks who were actually interested in mature focus and true activisim and taking action have landed with the Health Care for All set.

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      How do we know the loonies are in the Green Party?

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      After reading the linked reports, I'm not clear on whether this is a case of crazy people claiming to be part of the Green(-Rainbow) party, or whether there's some official backing. Anyone?

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      Official Green Rainbow Party statement on Darfur

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      Take a look. Also see:

      Stop the U.S. and Zionist War Against Sudan by David Rolde, who is a leader of the Mass. Greens, in which he claims people fighting against Darfur genocide are really Zionist agents:

      But within the United States the anti-Sudan rhetoric is useful for more than just getting Americans ready for more overt war against Sudan. Anti-Arab and anti-Muslim rhetoric regarding Sudan is part of the general anti-Arab and anti-Muslim propaganda that is used to gain U.S. domestic support for the war in Iraq, continued U.S. support for Israel, and the so-called "war on terror". Zionist groups in the United States have been purveying anti-Arab propaganda regarding Sudan for many years before the Darfur war, making false claims about "slavery" in Sudan. Slave redemption efforts in Sudan have been shown to be a hoax. Divesting from Sudan is a Zionist anti-Arab counter-proposal to the idea of divesting from Israel. Lies about Arabs divert attention from efforts to end Israeli apartheid in Palestine.

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      Wow. The Green-Rainbow Sudan

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      Wow. The Green-Rainbow Sudan statement is a bit over the top, but Rolde's screed is another story altogether. Scary.

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      Rolde might actually be the link between the two

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      More screedishness, signed by David Rolde, BAZA.

      Ian Thal mentions that one of the BAZA protesters was "a rotund bespectacled man." Take a look at the photo of Rolde on this page - scroll down for the picture of a rotund bespectacled man wearing a "Victory to Hizbollah" sign. If so, then a leader of an allegedly respectable political party spent part of his weekend heckling survivors of murderous regimes who are trying to stop another genocide. Suddenly, Grace Ross doesn't seem quite so cuddly (speaking of her, she's running for Worcester city council - on her campaign Web site, she seems to disavow the Green position on Sudan).

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      I seem to recall charges of

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      I seem to recall charges of anti-Semitism being thrown around against Grace Ross during the '06 campaign.

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      Grace Ross is Jewish

      and some time during last year's campaign, I ran into her at Havurat Shalom in Somerville.

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      I know.

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      I wasn't backing up the claims, just mentioning my recollection.

      Maybe she'd like some pro-Semitism.

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      Whoops, I think I need to withdraw that statement

      I most definitely saw her at Havurat Shalom during High Holidays in 2006. But in this Worcester Magazine article, she says:

      Not being raised Jewish, my grasp of anti-Semitism is inherently somewhat limited. I was however raised in New York amid a strong Jewish community. My family took explicit actions against anti-Semitic discrimination and instilled great respect for Jewish traditions.

      Jewish values around justice, righteousness and atonement heavily influenced me. I still learn and am nourished by Passover and Yom Kippur observances and increase my understanding of Jewish life.

      I'd like to edit my earlier comment, but Universal Hub doesn't let me. Not sure why.

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      I think it lets you edit up

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      I think it lets you edit up until some nut posts a reply to your post.

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      The anti-Semitism charges

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      Had more to do with the Green-Rainbow Party and its loonies, such as Rolde and Ron Francis, than with Ross. But as the party's candidate for governor, she didn't do much to distance herself from them, as I recall.

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      That Does It

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      Wow.

      I'm a registered Green, a leftover from the Ralph Nader campaign of 2000. Yes, yes, yes. Before you pigpile me, you're right. Anyway, after the elections were over, I spent some time trying to help build the local Green Party. Very soon thereafter, I realized what a sack of nuts they were, and I quickly fled. I stayed registered because I do wish there were more options than D or R.

      After reading that ridiculous screed, I just requested the form to switch my affiliation. Need for third party or no, I don't want to be associated with these goobers anymore.

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      Green-Rainbow Statement on Sudan

      It's not at that URL anymore.

      As a follow-up, Nathanael Fortune, co-chair of of Massachusetts Green-Rainbow posted a comment to my blog in which he stated that David Rolde is no longer with Green-Rainbow and that Rolde had had a habit of labeling much of the party leadership as either a "fascist" or a "racist": Jill Stein, Grace Ross, and Fortune, included.

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      Clarification

      While I have not been able to fully research Boston Anti-Zionist Action, I'm inclined to believe that their connection with Green-Rainbow Party is tenuous. It's entirely possible that many of their members are registered with the Green-Rainbow Party for purpose of voting and maybe even attend meetings, but the point of my statement was to express doubts that the G-RP endorsed BAZA's behavior or their anti-Semitic ideology.

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      "F", "F", PaleSWINE

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      PaleSWINE is one tentacle of Islamofascism that is attacking civilization.

      Wherever you have the oxymoron "Peaceful Islam", you have death threats, stabbings, shooting, bombings, beheading.

      Just look at the recent doctors plot in Britain - Jeep SUV flambe.

      Salman Rushdie, Beslan school massacre, church bombings in Pakistan, PanAm 103, 2005 London bombings, Bali, Madrid, Hirsi Ali, current day slavery in Muslim Sudan, Londonistan, 8 year Islamofascist Regime of iran/Iraq war...

      You get the picture, don't you?

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      Love that Blackwater

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      Yes, we send all our would-be terrorists overseas to do the dirty work of Haliburton.

      I find it interesting that you single out Islam for atrocities when we just celebrated the day genocide was shipped to the new world. Said genocide was promulgated by a civilization which was concurrently torturing it's own heretics in via the horrors of the Inquisition!

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      Not just heretics

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      1492 was significant in Spanish history for another reason: It marked the end of the reconquista and the concurrent expulsion of the Jews, that is, the ones who hadn't already been forced to convert to Christianity:

      Tens of thousands of refugees died while trying to reach safety. In some instances, Spanish ship captains charged Jewish passengers exorbitant sums, then dumped them overboard in the middle of the ocean. In the last days before the expulsion, rumors spread throughout Spain that the fleeing refugees had swallowed gold and diamonds, and many Jews were knifed to death by brigands hoping to find treasures in their stomachs.

      And so the discussion comes full circle.

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