Thinking of getting a drink at the Milky Way?
Think again - the Fire Department has suspended its occupancy permit for not installing sprinklers. Also losing their right to open: Packy Connors in Roxbury and Kay's Oasis in Dorchester. The Sunset Grill in Allston and the Barking Crab on Fort Point Channel are still open as they pursue court appeals under a post-Station law that requires sprinklers in bars and nightclubs with a capacity of more than 100 people.
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I hope they get the sprinklers fixed...
... Because according to Daily Candy, they are supposed to be having a "Rock and Roll Fashion Show" there tomorrow night.
Hopefully they'll comply
Hopefully they'll comply soon... Milky Way is a great place!
Not a quick fix...
They had better get something going fast, because it takes quite a bit of planning and permitting to get this done. They will need to bring a high pressure main into the building, which requires digging up the street, and that is only allowed on an emergency basis after Nov 15th.
Unless they do something to placate the Fire Dept quick, they are goign to be in quite a pickle. I had sprinkers installed in a space I lease...$40,000, but the peace of mind is worth it.
They're going to have to comply then,
if they wish to stay in business. I fully support the law requiring sprinklers, because the consequences of not having them were made clear by the Station club fire down in Rhode Island afew years ago. What's surprising is that this wasn't a lesson learned after the Coconut Grove Fire back in the 1940's.
Fire Department exemptions
For those of you who have been forced to sprinkler under questional circumstances, please check out the Perkins Post at 859 E 4th St, South Boston. They had an occupancy capacity of 418 and they are rent-free in a city-owned building. The commander is a firefighter (Billy Miller) and the building is not fire safe (open abatements at time of exemption). The Post collects mucho bucks from an illegal commercial business (in this city-owned building)(where is the rent money going) and the fire escape blocks the only basement egress to the outside. Guess what? The fire department exempted them from the Sprinkler Requirements. What a shock!!!!! This is fire safety Boston style. Follow the paperwork and anyone can be exempt. Talk to the neighbors of the Post - the crowds get pretty rowdy
Why were restaurants given an exemption on sprinklers ?
I am puzzled why restaurants were given an exemption on installing sprinklers. While I can understand the desire not to impose this regulation on establishments with a capacity of less than 100 people, restaurants above that capacity clearly have a similar risk and their patrons should enjoy similar protection. If anything, restaurants have a similar or higher risk of fire given the open flames and grease of the kitchens. The recent fire that killed the two firefighters was at a restaurant that did not have sprinklers. Clearly sprinklers would have helped to fight that fire and may have prevented the deaths.
At present, there are several establishments trying to get exemptions as they appeal whether they should be considered to be bars or restaurants. Frankly it concerns me that any establishment with a capacity of over 100 people would elect not to have sprinklers. I appreciate the financial expense of installing the sprinklers, but we need to provide the level of protection afforded by sprinklers in any establishment that large numbers of people gather.
My guess would be that
My guess would be that restaurants tend to have more square footage per customer then bars.
Thus restaurants are, by their nature, both ‘large’ and somewhat ‘empty’. Admittedly much of that ‘large’ space is filled with tables, but they’re usually navigable around.
Also perhaps restaurant customers, on average, are eating more & drinking less then in bars. Thus one can expect restaurant customers to react, as an aggregate, more constructively.
So in case of a fire restaurant customers might find it easier to get away from an immediate danger and then make their way to an exit.
My hope would be there is some set of numbers out there showing that restaurant fires are indeed less likely or less hazardous or less mitigated by sprinkler systems.
As to the venues closed by this code change, frankly, I doubt their viability. This requirement was well known far in advance, the deadlines highly publicized, there is no excuse for ignorance or inaction.
These venues have been extraordinarily negligent in their operation to be caught out like this, and I can’t imagine that state of affairs isn’t reflected in other areas of safety & service.
That's a good question, Anonymous.
Why should restaurants and bars be exempt from having sprinklers installed
any more than other businesses? They shouldn't, imho. It's unbelievable how so few people have really and truly learned any lessons from the past here, namely the Station club fire down in Warwick, RI, and the Coconut Grove fire, back in the 1940's.
My philosophy
Why should I give you my business if you don't value my safety?
I agree that businesses must
I agree that businesses must comply. However, some businesses - especially independent ones, do not have tens of thousands of dollars for the cost of the sprinkler system and the installation. In at least one case, a pub that had been in busines for 30 years would have had to have the city street dug up in front of his business to install new water pipes to support the new sprinkler system. The owner just did not have the money. It's rather flippant to post - 'why should I give you my business if you don't value my safety?', assuming that all of these business owners are simply bastards flush with money who just don't give a damn about public safety.
Quite frankly, I've never felt that my safety was in danger at Milky Way. If you're frightened, then don't patronize them.
Can they downgrade their occupancy?
Is there any reason these clubs can't be allowed to limit the number of patrons to be in compliance?
Maybe then they could have a renovation fund surcharge like the Orpheum ... um, wait ... um ... only they would actually spend it on actual renovations.
Lanes are flammable, exits are few
If the upstairs of the Milky Way caught on fire while you were downstairs bowling, you would probably die a horrible death as the hipster mob tried to squeeze up those narrow stairs.
re: squeezing up those narrow stairs
Fortunately, hipsters are narrow as well.
There are many exits
There are many exits there... and the hipsters will only run towards the spiral stair case... because it's so cool. We will be fine. One of the rear exits even goes straight out to the street. It would be easy to get to our car before the hipsters even have time to unlock their fixedgears.
The writing has been on the
The writing has been on the wall for a long, long time that sprinklers are a REALLY good idea for any space where you are going to have a lot of people in close quarters.
It sucks that some businesses haven't had the foresight to plan ahead, but there has been a long history of very deadly fires at clubs and the like stretching back decades. The common factor has been the lack of sprinklers.
Barking Crab?
Haven't been there since they had the sewage back-up.... gross!