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GOP veep tryouts: Romney or Pawlenty?

In addition to attack dog, a purpose Romney is filling as we speak, the top contender must also be uncertain about how many houses he owns.

Republicans have governed the country with a willful disregard for the issues facing the middle class. There is nothing about the Republican ticket in 2008 that would make one believe they have any intention of changing.

Romney, Pawlenty on attack in GOP veep tryouts
AP 8/27/8

Mitt Romney ... charged Tuesday that a Barack Obama presidency would "make America a weaker nation."

The United States under an Obama administration would see "less prosperity, and less security," said Romney...

Summing up his pitch, Romney questioned the Democrat's judgment, saying: "Barack Obama is a charming and fine person with a lovely family but he's not ready to be president."

[Obvious Lie Alert] "I'm not in any way trying to promote my qualifications, or to dissuade others of my disqualifications, to serve on a McCain ticket," he said.

McCain's campaign dispatched Romney, who is believed to be a top contender for the vice presidential spot on the ticket, specifically to assail Obama. Another Republican said to be in serious contention for the No. 2 slot, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, was scheduled to play attack dog in Denver on Thursday.

Mitt Romney's job creation record as Governor of Massachusetts was 49th out of 50. Only one state created fewer jobs than Massachusetts during that time period.

At Bain Capital, Romney demonstrated a remarkable ability to use capital to acquire businesses and sell them in pieces to make great profits. Oftentimes, this left the employees of those businesses jobless and his investors rich.

As Governor, Mitt had no opportunity to use those same skills to exploit value at the expense of employees who built the value. In any case, there is no reason to believe either McCain or Romney have the economic savvy to set America on a better course or even a recognition of the issues facing middle class wage earners.


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This video explains quite clearly.

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Mitt Romney will be announced as McCain's VP at 11AM today in Dayton OH.

Now NBC News says it will not be Romney nor Pawlenty and that the announcement will be made at Noon, not 11 AM. (9:53AM)

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McCain didn't pick Romney - good!
At first I thought he was clever to pick a women- all the Hillary women who are picking McCain would be happy about that. Then I read her bio:

governor for 2 years
conservative christian
anti-abortion
mother of a 2-year old with Downs Syndrome
former beauty pagent contestant
got her start in politics by whistleblowing

Talk about no experience. What if McCain is elected and dies? Would the conservatives really like this woman?
It's not surprise that she had a baby with Downs Syndrome - she was 42! She wasn't paying attention to medicine & should have been expected.

I stopped thinking it was a clever strategy, and think McCain just lost the election.

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Is it your opinion that women should avoid having children at this age because of the small risk of Downs Syndrome? It sounds like you're blaming her for this decision.

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Advanced Maternal Age starts at 35.
under age 35, the risk of downs syndrome is about 1/350
At age 35, the risk goes up significantly.
By age 45, the chance is 1/30.

No, women can have children whenever, but if someone is planning a high-profile, very public, stressful job they should expect every decision they've made to be evaluated.

Everyone knows that public people are evaluated & criticized, I am speaking only about this woman, not women outside of the public's eye and not women who are seeking to be president. It could happen. McCain is old. I'd hate to have this one in office.

I think she is showing that she is not recognizing medical information and advancements. Considering she's so conservative, makes me think that she would be a creationist.

Reminds me a bit of Jane Swift, who couldn't balance politics & parenting...not a good choice for McCain. If this one's child needs heart surgery (more than 40% of Downs people need heart surgery), hopefully she's not going to put her job first, but that leaves us without a leader.

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Jane Swift's problem wasn't having twins. It was being in over her head when Paul Cellucci ran off to Canada.

I agree with you that Palin would be a terrible choice for vice president, but for every other reason you cited. You're just digging a bigger and bigger hole for yourself by saying a woman with a child can't be president because something might happen to the kid. Did John Kennedy quit when his son died?

I think she is showing that she is not recognizing medical information and advancements.

So women over 40 should just shrivel up and NOT even think of having a child? This isn't a creationist issue, it's an issue all women who, for whatever reasons, have babies "late" in the process have to deal with.

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women who want to hold the highest seat in the country need to show that they're smart, available and ready for the task.

being a mother of a very young child who has a huge chance of having medical problems makes her less likely a candidate than someone with an older special needs child, or a medically stable child.

this is my opinion of women who seek to be president, not women in general. I am not alone in this.

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While I don't agree at all with, well, most of Sarah Palin's stances, it's wrong of you to attack her by taking the angle that her child with Down syndrome is a burden.

It absolutely was her right to choose to have a child with Down syndrome. It's absolutely her right to believe that a child with Down syndrome is as valuable a person to society as a child without Down syndrome. If only everyone shared her beliefs.

Also, it's pretty clear you don't know a whole lot about raising children with Down syndrome. As an infant-toddler therapist, I work with a number of families who have children with Down syndrome. (Including a few who've chosen to adopt kids with Down's -- do you want to tell them they made a poor choice too?) The daily demands of raising a child with Down's aren't really that much more than a child without a disability. More importantly though, the daily demands of the average kid with Down's are lower than many children who don't have a disability but who have, say, a difficult temperament. I work with many families who have children without disabilities who are very very difficult children.

Finally, any child with or without a disability can suddenly face a serious accident or illness. Any parent needs to be prepared to have to deal with hospitalizations, surgeries, therapists, doctors, special education. Many children with Down's don't end up having any major health issues. Other children without disabilities end up spending considerable time at the hospital. A child might just be accident-prone and end up having a lot more doctor's visits than many kids with Down's do, but the child wouldn't have a label, so you wouldn't be able to say "oh, this person has no business running a county -- his daughter falls out of trees and skateboards off of bridges all the time!" Similarly, other children might have learning disabilities or emotional disorders or any number of other things that take a lot of time and energy to treat, but you wouldn't know it because they don't have a hard-and-fast label like Down's where you either have it or you don't. People with Down's are people just like anyone else, and there's a huge range of temperament and health and skills that people with this particular trisomy have. They aren't all alike by any means.

Please, feel free to dislike her politics on many levels. But don't use inaccurate stereotypes of her daughter's diagnosis to do so.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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if they were running for President of our country, I would think that it was a worse choice than if they had less demanding jobs.

I don't judge most people who say that they've tried cocaine, but I do not think that the President of the country should be someone with that in their past.

I don't think that anyone's affairs should matter in their job, but the rest of the country couldn't get enough of ex-president clinton's affair.

When it's politics, you're fair game and people use different criteria to determine if they're comfortable with you.

Besides the christian, beauty queen, fur wearing, whistleblowing past, I think her unhealthy, young child would affect her being president. And, I think she could be president - McCain is old.

I am not, did not, would not hold women who are not wanting to be president in the same judgement as the one who wants to be president.

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Where did you hear that her child is unhealthy?

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Give up on the kid already; you've got plenty of other ammunition for discussing her without managing to insult/annoy people who would otherwise agree with you/ignore you.

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The governor said she won't take a maternity leave but will bring Trig with her to work. Her spokesperson later clarified, at Palin's request, that the governor will take time off for medical appointments, physical therapy and whatever Trig needs

adn.com/news...382560.html

and bringing a special needs baby to work wouldn't be good in the white house. taking time off to meet the baby's needs is good, but not for the VP.

She's a laughable answer to Hillary.

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Sure, most kids with Down syndrome benefit from PT and medical monitoring. But most of them would be considered healthy by most of us professionals who work with infants and toddlers. Even in the case of people with Down's who need heart surgery, it's a very predictable course up until the time of needing the surgery, and it usually goes quite well. Most Down's kids I work with are quite a bit "healthier" overall than a lot of non-disabled kids I work with who just happen to be prone to flu-type stuff or ER visits for falls and things.

Why on earth would it be "not good" to take this child to work?

Or do you just have a problem with people with disabilities and would prefer that they remain hidden in an attic or something?

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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"Besides the christian, beauty queen, fur wearing, whistleblowing past, I think her unhealthy, young child would affect her being president."

Just about everything affects someone being President.

Or do you mean that these things would have an EFFECT on how she handles the duties of the Presidency? Again, most everything would.

Be that as it may, here's the question that truly intrigues me at the moment:

What is the difference, in a personal-matters-that-maybe-should-remain-personal-and-
not-affect-the-outcome-of-an-election way, between having an affair and having done cocaine?

You are certainly entitled to cast your vote based on whatever criteria you choose to consider, but... well, honestly, some of the stuff you've included here is extremely puzzling to me.

(Just in case you - or anyone else here - doesn't know by now, I'm a Libertarian. I have no dog in the Obama-McCain fight.)

(And, as long as I'm here: There are a good many of us knuckle-dragging, dimwitted Christian folk who actually believe in creationism, even in such a forward-thinking state as Massachusetts. Just thought you might like to know that. I'm really not in the mood to have that debate, though.)

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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While I don't agree at all with, well, most of eeka's stances, it's wrong of you to attack Ms. Palin by taking the angle that her child with Down syndrome is a burden.

If you want to attack the person, attack the person. Attack her ideology, which I disagree with. Attack her going after that ex-brother-in-law of hers with powers of state. Attack her weird glasses, even.

But attacking her kids? Attacking her judgment on the basis that she decided to have a child late in life? That's low. That's even too low for me. That's the kind of attack that's so mean that I sympathize with Ms. Palin, and I really had no intention of doing so.

Also, please do what eeka suggests and educate yourself a bit about Down syndrome. People with that syndrome have a wide range of functions. Watch the film Le Huitieme Jour, one of my favorites, and you will undoubtedly learn, as I did, that some people with Down syndrome are quite intelligent indeed - and far better actors than I ever was.

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Jane Swift's problem wasn't having twins. It was being in over her head when Paul Cellucci ran off to Canada.

To Swift, the harsh spotlight on Palin has a familiar feel. Swift was pregnant with twins when, as lieutenant governor, she took over for Paul Cellucci when he left the governor's office before his term was up. Her personal life was criticized and her qualifications questioned.

Maternity, not policy, defined Swift's stint on Beacon Hill. Her use of aides to babysit and a state helicopter to fly home were covered as major scandals. Her marriage to a contractor, not a power broker, was another favorite media topic.

from Boston.com

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Maternity, not policy, defined Swift's stint on Beacon Hill. Her use of aides to babysit and a state helicopter to fly home were covered as major scandals.

Gosh, so the Globe has reporters who don't remember her (kind of short) term in office? Those of us who lived through it remember it for her inability to do anything substantive - and for her being shivved by a lying Mitt Romney.

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It's not surprise that she had a baby with Downs Syndrome - she was 42! She wasn't paying attention to medicine & should have been expected.

So having a child with Down Syndrome is enough to rule somebody out for national office? What a horrible thing to say (for the record: My wife had our kid when she was 41).

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having a very young child with special needs *does* make me think that someone wouldn't be the best person for the highest-ranking public office positions.

as the child got older and their medical problems were stable, and they needed less attention or supervision, I think anyone could have high-ranking jobs.

with her zero experience and chance to have to focus on her baby's complications, she's a bad choice.

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He was a single parent of traumatized and mangled kids after his wife and baby daughter died in a car wreck, yet he continued to work and commute to Washington DC.
Via Wikipedia:

His wife and infant daughter died in a car accident shortly after he was first elected to the Senate in 1972. His two sons, Beau and Hunter, were seriously injured in the accident, but both eventually made full recoveries. Biden was sworn into office from their bedside. Persuaded not to resign in order to care for them, Biden began the practice of commuting an hour and a half each day on the train from his home in the Wilmington suburbs to Washington, D.C., which he continues to do.

Of course, being a man, that was okay.

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not starting something new, and he WASN'T ABOUT TO BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE USA

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and Palin was planning to become (Vice) President when she had her kid?

Give it up. You are being totally illogical. Have you noticed that all of us, from many different political points of view, are rejecting your argument?

I'm pro-choice, even though Palin isn't. That means women should have the choice to carry through their pregnancies if they want.

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and her history of bringing the baby to work, etc is not something that we should expect the president to do.

If McCain dies, she'd be it...if he's elected.

She's scary wrong for the job...for lots of reasons

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but yours is not one of them.

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that my opinions are wrong.

There are dozens of blogs debating this issue. It's valid and legitimate, and matters to many.

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You are bat shit crazy to argue that having a down syndrome kid at age 42 is a reason to question the candidates judgment and fitness for office. I don't question your opinion, you're entitled to that. I question your reasoning.

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a special needs infant needs to have attention & focus.
if someone is trying to lead a nation, how much focus and attention can they give their child?

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You can't imagine that being Gov of Alaska is a somewhat demanding job and that with five kids she has worked out how to get her job done and how to make time for her family, both?

I actually don't think you'll ever have to worry about it, unless you move to Alaska.

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but the fact that she chose to birth a baby with Downs Syndrome, be McCain's running mate
(or, to be more exact, McCain chose her--sorry for the mix-up here), and to bring her baby to work was her choice...and nothing to do with why she's repulsive. Attack her politics if you will, but not her choice to birth and parent a child with Downs Syndrome. What does make her repulsive is the fact that she's not about to let anybody else choose whether or not to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term.

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read carefully

I never ever said her choice was repulsive.

I said that because she had an infant, and a special needs one at that, and one who will likely require heart surgery & other complicated treatments, that will stress any parent out...

that she is not the right pick for this seat.

and, I included other reasons why as well

if she really wants to be VP, she should wait until the infant is older. being a mother is a respectful job...if it's done right. If someone doesn't do it at all - and being VP is not the same as a job - it's an entire lifestyle - then they don't have my respect.

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Hence the fact that he was sworn in as a fist-time senator at their bedside. Yes he was already elected, but he hadn't done anything yet.

And Palin is not about to become President.

There are so many reasons why she is not a good choice (at least to me). Having a baby, special-needs or not, is not one of them. If Palin and I actually matched on the issues, I'd have no problem with her as vice-president.

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the VP in this instance matters a lot, as he could die in office.

I respect good moms, handing one off to a nanny is not being a good mom, and gives me less to like about her.

Her baby was born in April, he's a newborn with special needs. Her husband works for BP oil. She should hold off on running until the baby is older.

Being VP isn't just a job, she has to campaign, be available all the time. If it was a job, I'd feel differently. This is important.

She's a gift to Democrats, though.

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I respect good moms, handing one off to a nanny is not being a good mom, and gives me less to like about her.

So, using childcare is being a "bad mom," taking the child to work is "not good." What, in your demented little world, DOES constitute good parenting?

Oh, right, it's not popping out any children with disabilities in the first place. Gotcha.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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being VP or president is not "work" or a job.

this scenarios is different than what any other mother or parent faces.

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I second the motion: Oh fer fuck's sake.

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Would you feel the same way about the father of a child with special needs?

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But I am and I support her decision to bear that baby 100%. She knew ahead of time and she made a choice appropriate for her values and her family.

It might not be your choice, but it was her choice to make.

The problem: she doesn't seem to think that others have a right to make a different choice. If you must fault her, that is where she should be faulted. Her family decisions are her own business!

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nor, is any candidate's.

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You would think a pro-choice advocate would support Palin's choice.

Palin's choice to have the kid is one of the few things I admire about her.

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This:

nor, is any candidate's.

is often because the media makes it everybody else's business.

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My friend's mother had her at 45.

The risk of a Down's syndrome child at 44 is around 3%. Whether people think that is a risk worth taking or not is their business. It certainly is not a reason to rule them out of government office.

I don't like her at all because we disagree on pretty much every issue.

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3% is not right at all.

from March of Dimes:

* At age 25, a woman has about a 1-in-1,250 chance of having a baby with Down syndrome.
* At age 30, a 1-in-1,000 chance.
* At age 35, a 1-in-400 chance.
* At age 40, a 1-in-100 chance.
* At 45, a 1-in-30 chance.
* At 49, a 1-in-10 chance (1, 4).

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At age 45, a 1-in-30 chance is 3.33%. Close enough for government work ;-)

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I got the same numbers as you, just converted to percentage.

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The vast majority - 80 to 90% - of Down Syndrome children are born to mothers under the age of 35.

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Could you clarify that statement? I could posit that the vast majority of children are born to mothers under 35 therefore, in absolute terms, there would be more children with Down Syndrome in that group than the group of children born to mothers over 35. Statistically speaking.

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The incidence of down syndrome births is higher in older women, but older women log only a small percentage of total pregnancies.

There is also a screening bias - or, at least, used to be. Genetic and ultrasound screening tests were only offered to women over 35, so down syndrome was often a total surprise to a younger mother.

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Mitt will hurt, not help, Grampy McSame's chances. The only greater douchebag he could have picked would be Mr. 'a noun, a verb 9/11.'

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I'd say McCain just lost Massachusetts but it's pretty clear he never had a chance here, and he knows it anyway.

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Duh :) Check out electoral-vote.com for the battlegrounds.

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I was kinda liking the idea of Pawlenty. An 47-year-old evangelical christian against abortion who ran on a platform of "no new taxes"?

I don't think there is anyone else that could be better pegged to Bush-administration politics. Hah. That would have been great.

Oh well. We'll see...

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Just got a press release about all your favorites (Father Frank Pavone, Priests for Life; Grover Norquist, Americans for Tax Reform; Sandra Froman, NRA Immediate Past President; Marjorie Dannenfelser, President, Susan B. Anthony List; Ken Blackwell, Chairman for the Coalition for a Conservative Majority and Vice Chairman of the 2008 Republican Platform Committee; Colin Hanna, President, Let Freedom Ring) holding a teleconference at 11 a.m. to talk about McCain's choice. With a caveat (since he won't be officially releasing the name until noon):

SHOULD THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL ANNOUNCEMENT DIFFER FROM THAT WHICH HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ON THE CALL, A 2ND TELECONFERENCE CALL WILL TAKE PLACE AT 1:00 P.M. EDT USING THE SAME TOLL-FREE NUMBER FOR COMMENTARY FROM THE SAME CONSERVATIVE LEADERS.

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Speculation can end. It's ... Palin?

You know, the governor of Alaska...

She's got lots of pluses for McCain's ticket. A woman. Rabid right-wing Christer. And she's already under investigation for corruption. Saves time, see.

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I don't see even a hint at that link that she took an action for improper financial gain, which is what I think of with the word "corruption".

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If she fired the public safety commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother-in law for divorcing her sister, I'd call that corruption.

Let's see what the omniscient Wikipedia says about corruption:

Political corruption, or the dysfunction of a political system or institution in which government officials, political officials or employees seek illegitimate personal gain through actions such as bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement. Political corruption is a specific form of rent seeking, where access to politics is organized with limited transparency, limited competition and directed towards promoting narrow interests (rent seeking is not to be confused with property rental).

I think that covers it. Illegitimate personal gain need not be financial. Using your position to fuck over your ex-brother-in-in law is corruption.

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There was bi-partisan support , Democrats and Republicans, for the investigation into her alleged abuse of power. They allocated $100,000 for the investigation.

This is not a problem, Republicans loves executives that show contempt for the rule of law.

Palin told a confidant, "If the Governor does it, it legal."

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Maybe this is considered a perk of the job in states where everybody is appointed, but demanding that your ex-brother-in-law be sacked for something completely within his personal life violates civil service codes -even on the last frontier .

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How long until McCain "accidently" calls her "sweetie" or some other inappropriate diminutive or piss-off-his-wife endearment?

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I'm betting he puts her up for Miss Buffalo Chip, like his trollop wife.

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He's gonna have her do what Cindy wouldn't ...

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trollop or "v*gina" (rhymes with bunt) are some of the McCain's favorite expletives for women. That's just the way he rolls, old school. Think he wears a wife-beater T under those button downs? Emm, yup.

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others are gay and deserve NO rights

Palin is the mother of five children, one of whom was born with Down Syndrome. She learned that her son had Down Syndrome when she was four months pregnant, and she told the Associated Press in May that she never considered ending the pregnancy. "We've both been very vocal about being pro-life," she said in the AP interview. "We understand that every innocent life has wonderful potential." Palin also said of her son, whose name is Trig Paxon Van Palin, "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection. Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"

In October of 2006, the Anchorage Daily News described Palin's positions on social issues in a lengthy profile:

"A significant part of Palin's base of support lies among social and Christian conservatives. Her positions on social issues emerged slowly during the campaign: on abortion (should be banned for anything other than saving the life of the mother), stem cell research (opposed), physician-assisted suicide (opposed), creationism (should be discussed in schools), state health benefits for same-sex partners (opposed, and supports a constitutional amendment to bar them)."

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McCain owns 7 house. He reported 5 and later ahd to correct it.

Romney owns 4.

No word yet on former Beauty Queen Palin. Wasn't John McCain second wife Cindy also a beauty queen?

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Palin has been Governor of Alaska for one year and eight months. She took office on 4 December 2006.

Palin was Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003-04.

Before that Palin was Mayor of Wasilla, population 6,714 according to the city's website, from 1996-2002. Wasilla is classified as a "first class city" by Alaska (population 683,478), which says something about the state. Its annual revenue is $12.7 million, about like Topsfield -- population 6,348, $14 million 2006 tax levy (if someone can make a more precise comparison to a Massachusetts town, please do so). In 2005, Palin's penultimate year as Mayor, there were 11 traffic lights in Wasilla according to the Anchorage Daily News: “Today, there are 20 traffic lights in the Mat-Su Borough, including 11 in Wasilla and three in Palmer, according to Scott Thomas, DOT regional traffic engineer.”

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and McCain selected her after just one phone call and one meeting.

No one knows her capability to govern - she hasn't done enough of it, and no one knows her well, McCain included.

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except McCain. Conversely, no one on the selection committee ruled her out. They passed over Lieberman, Pawlenty, Romney and about two others. No one on the McCain's selection committee picked Palin, except McCain.

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I spent much of my youth in small, isolated places like Wasilla. I still have relatives living in similarly small, isolated places like Wasilla.

I'm waiting for the inevitable isolated, clueless "never saw a black person" or "don't understand what a gay person is" or similar sort of sheltered small-town gaffe emission from Palin. Not mean-spirited, not hateful, just too isolated, sheltered and TV stereotype as-reality to believe.

Such is what I come to expect from things I've heard in my life, and questions I get asked about city living when I come around those parts. While it is laughable from your yokel third cousin, it is going to be offensive and devastating from a VP candidate.

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I'm waiting for the inevitable unfounded, clueless "never saw a black person" or "don't understand what a gay person is" or similar sort of sheltered small-town gaffe charge from the left.

Ooops.

I'm not waiting anymore.

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Current population estimates have Wasilla being closer to 9,000 currently after having gone through 30%+ growth recent years, which is coincidentally just about how many votes the VP candidate got in the D primary.

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If you still support George Bush and the corrupt Republican party you may just be in denial.

It is laughable how the Republicans are tripping over themselves to show up at Hurricane Gustav, when three years ago their priorities were diametrically opposed. Could it be this is an election year?

So what high-priority initiatives did Bush and McCain need to attend to three years ago this week?

  • Finish a vacation in Crawford, TX
  • A trip to California to raise campaign funds
  • Celebrate John McCane's birthday.

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Bush Fund Raising Days after Katrina

left New Orleans, Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama devastated
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Bush and McCane celebrate McCane's birthday while the floor waters rage and US Citizens struggle for safety, food, water and medicine
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and while American's Cry for Emergency Services and Disaster Aid
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Are you tired of Republicans telling you a whiner? I am. Politics are about resource allocation as well as policy. Republicans want the middle class to shoulder the burden but not the rich. Republicans want to shrink the government and drown it in a bathtub. Democrats want to build competent Federal emergency services so that we have them when we need them. Bush gives these jobs to incompetent cronies as a reward for working on his campaign. Bush's decision had significant consequences, consequences that cost American citizens their lives.

"We have sort of become a nation of whiners" Phil Gramm 7/10/8

About New Orleans refugees being housed in the Astrodome, they are: “Underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.” Barbara Bush 9/2005

"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"
Barbara Bush 9/2005

"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." McCain 12/07 to the Boston Globe. He must have forgotten between December and last Friday when he picked Sarah Palin, 44 year old hockey mom, over Mitt Romney as VP.

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Funny you should mention Texas, because the guy most responsible for the mess bugged out to Dallas and bought a house, enrolling his kids in school there.

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Republicans have always been good at passing the buck and blaming others for coming up short when they don't meet their responsibilities but George "W" Bush?

For "W", the ability to lay-off blame for his failures at the feet of others has been developed into a rare art form and is clearly, one of his few areas of excellence.

If you want more of the same, an

  • rich and out of touch
  • ideologically driven
  • oriented to the concerns of the wealthy
  • lobbyist-oriented
  • legislation written by corporations
  • ignorant and unresponsive to the challenges facing middle class Americans
  • imperialistic
  • militaristic
  • irritable with a hair trigger temper
  • insular and close minded

then vote for John McCane.

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Apparently BDS will continue to be an issue for some even when the Bush presidency is over.

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I know if somebody shoved me down a well, I'd have to climb back up. And I know at some point while I was climbing up, I'd think to myself, "Gee, I wish that asshole hadn't shoved me down the well".

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Dave, calling critics of the Bush administration 'deranged' is laughable. Consider the source, Charles Krauthammer, not exactly a main stream pundit, eh?

I know as many republicans as democrats that think Bush totally fucked up this country. Shall we count the ways?

  • Lying to the American people about Iraq, 9/11, and mushroom clouds being the smoking gun.
  • using fear to win elections
  • $600 billion, all borrowed, to finance the Iraq war which will eventually cost $1.6 trillion
  • Send US soldiers to war without protective armor and without up armor Humvees.
  • Bush and McCain did not support Sen. Webb's GI Bill, and then took credit for it.
  • Appointed incompetent cronies instead of subject matter experts to run government agencies
  • Osama Bin Laaden determiend to strike in the United States "You covered your ass, you can go now." Excuse? No actionable intelligence
  • Tortured prisoners in CIA black sight, Gitmo, and Abu Grhaib (great way to win the hearts and minds, eh?) Iraqis actually liked Americans when we liberated them. Now, they're tired of US soldiers killing their family members.
  • Real wages down.
  • Energy costs at all time high - big surprise, that's what happens when you wage a five year war in the country that is the second biggest oil producer in the world.
  • Wiretapping US citizens without a warrant or FISA court approval
  • Radical privatization of including core US government agencies costing US taxpayers billions upon billions including Blackwater and contracters in Iraq.

Add your own...

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Bristol Palin's pregnancy is off limits.

There will no discussion about teenage pregnancy in America, availability of birth control as opposed to unplanned pregnancies, choice, reversing abortion rights, religious right, or how Sarah Palin - who has some catching up to do on foreign policy and learning what VPs do - will balance the demands of campaigning or (god forbid) governing) with home life of five children and a grandchild ("a bun in the oven.")

That is all.

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the evangelicals will say that this is an example of family values gone bad. if she stayed at home, maybe her daughter would have been better supervised and wouldn't be a mom before she finishes high school.

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I will say, I and others were pretty hard on you when we said your were ridiculous for claiming Sarah Palin should stay home and care for her family...

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Evangelicals rally behind Palin after pregnancy news:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.evang...

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Well, pregnancy happens ... and it's better not to rush to judgment. But ... imagine what the Republicans would be saying if Obama had a teenage daughter who was pregnant ?! The resentment and shock people feel about something like this comes directly from the conservative right's "family values" lectures and enduring wish to judge and control the personal lives and decisions of others.

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Q: Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

PALIN: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance

Actually, the McCain campaign say that it was the daughter’s “choice” to keep the baby. A choice that campaign hopes to deny to other Americans …

I love the Under God thing, that is awesome (for any who don’t know, she is wrong on two levels, the pledge was written in the 20th century, and 'under god' was inserted 50 years after it was written during the height of McCarthyist paranoia.

So my high school civics education apparently qualifies me for the Vice Presidency — nice.

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They have made Sarah Palin's personal life story the focus of her credentials to be VP. Her policy positions on abstinence only education and pro life even in cases of rape and incest have to make you wonder about this very personal example.

Palin will use every power at her command if she becomes POTUS to make sure that our sisters, mothers,wives, and daughters have no choice. Even if they are raped. That is what makes this personal story so political.

What will be next? One has to wonder about the vetting.

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Sarah Palin opposes abortion in all cases, even rape. South Dakota voted down such a stance, and fewer than 1 in 5 Americans agrees with it.

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The movie ends with the former beauty queen shaking out her pinned-up hair, taking off her glasses, slipping on ruby red peep-toe platform heels that reveal a pink French-style pedicure, and facing down Vladimir Putin in an island in the Bering Strait. Putting away her breast pump, she points her rifle and informs him frostily that she has some expertise in Russia because it’s close to Alaska. “Back off, Commie dude,” she says. “I’m a much better shot than Cheney.”

Then she takes off in her seaplane and lands on the White House lawn, near the new ice fishing hole and hockey rink. The “First Dude,” as she calls the hunky Eskimo in the East Wing, waits on his snowmobile with the kids — Track (named after high school track meets), Bristol (after Bristol Bay where they did commercial fishing), Willow (after a community in Alaska), Piper (just a cool name) and Trig (Norse for “strength.”)

“The P.T.A. is great preparation for dealing with the K.G.B.,” President Palin murmurs to Todd, as they kiss in the final scene while she changes Trig’s diaper. “Now that Georgia’s safe, how ’bout I cook you up some caribou hot dogs and moose stew for dinner, babe?”

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We rely on elected officials not to use the power of their office to pursue personal agendas or vendettas. It's called an abuse of power. There is ample evidence that Palin used her power as governor to get her ex-brother-in-law fired. When his boss refused to fire him, she fired him. She first denied Monegan's claims of pressure to fire Wooten and then had to amend her story when evidence proved otherwise. The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.

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“Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview with the head Sen. John McCain’s vice presidential vetting team until last Wednesday in Arizona, the day before McCain asked her to be his running mate, and she did not disclose the fact that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant until that meeting, two knowledgeable McCain officials acknowledged Tuesday.”

- Dan Balz, WaPo

Which is good thing unless you want your chief executive to engage in the process where the candidate is vetted wherein their history is examined before putting them on the ticket.

Like Bush and Putin, McCain must have looked through her eyes and into her soul. We know how that turned out.

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I bet if you stopped 100 people in downtown Boston and asked who the lieutenant governor of Massachusetts is, less than 10% could actually tell you.

I bet if you asked who Tim Murray was in the state government, it'd drop to even less...

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Deval Patrick is far less likely to die in the next four years than John McCain, and Tim Murray wouldn't become Commander in Chief of the armed forces nor take the helm of a very large, globally-linked economy if he did.

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Al Gore? Dan Quayle? I think it's different, a false equivalence to compare the VP (of the most powerful country in the free world) and the Lt. Gov. of one of it's 50 states.

I bet if you stopped 100 people in downtown Boston and asked them who Dick Cheney, Joe Biden or Sarah Palin are, most of them could tell you.

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...is a perfect example. He's NOW visible, but back in the early days of the administration, he was the one doing everything whilst media and the public focused their hatred on Bush. Everyone loves to underestimate Bush, but the man is not an idiot. The Devil's Greatest Trick, etc.

Bush's father chose an idiot for a Veep; Dubya has played the idiot so the Veep could do all the dirty work.

Pop quiz: guess who the "senior administration official" you always read giving anonymous details is? Cheney, feeding juicy tidbits to his favorites in the White House press core.

Also, could you please stop spamming UHub, even if it's just in this story? Go to Blue Mass Group...

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they are downright crazy talk.

The question wasn't
"Do 10% of Bostonians know what Cheney (Palin) is doing?"
the question was
"Do 10% of Bostonian know who Cheney (Palin) is?"

I noticed you do that when your original assertion is unjustifiable: you change the question.

I can tell you don't think my comments are spam because you spend time writing thoughtful responses to them. Are you going to start critiquing my paragraphs, spelling and grammar? too Please, let's talk about ideas instead.

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“For much of his long career in Washington, John McCain has been throwing darts at the special spending system known as earmarking, through which powerful members of Congress can deliver federal cash for pet projects back home with little or no public scrutiny. He's even gone so far as to publish ‘pork lists’ detailing these financial favors.”

[snip]

Three times in recent years, McCain's catalogs of ‘objectionable’ spending have included earmarks for this small Alaska town, requested by its mayor at the time -- Sarah Palin. Now, McCain, the likely Republican presidential nominee, has chosen Palin as his running mate, touting her as a reformer just like him.”

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“The world arrived here more than a century ago with the gold rush and later the railroad. Yet one aspect of American life did not come to town until 1996, the year Sarah Palin ran for mayor and Wasilla got its first local lesson in wedge politics. The traditional turning points that had decided municipal elections in this town of less than 7,000 people - Should we pave the dirt roads? Put in sewers? Which candidate is your hunting buddy? - seemed all but obsolete the year Ms. Palin, then 32, challenged the three-term incumbent, John C. Stein. Anti-abortion fliers circulated. Ms. Palin played up her church work and her membership in the National Rifle Association. The state Republican Party, never involved before because city elections are nonpartisan, ran advertisements on Ms. Palin’s behalf.”

NYT

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The choice of Sarah Palin is good Republican politics and bad policy, which is exactly what I’ve come to expect from the War Party.

They rolled the dice, changed the conversation and sucked all of the oxygen out of the room, to the detriment of the Democrats. The reason it is bad policy is because Palin can offer no educated opinions on public policy. Her political values are premised almost exclusively on religious moral code, which may be fine in a small community and may be fine in a state like Alaska but on the national stage I think she’ll be beyond her depth and incapable of contributing.

Palin’s belief is that god’s will rules out abortion so that is what a righteous America should do. She hails her daughters choice to get married, and seeks to deny that choice to all other women in America.

She serves an important purpose – she satisfies the religious right thereby cementing their support, she allows McCain to move back to the center, and she gives Republicans a female celebrity – not that Clinton supporters would be the least bit interested but the conservative voters will be drawn out to vote. Until Palin, many Republicans with fine memories were dissatisfied with the maverick as a faux conservative. Palin is the post child. Rove has done it again.

I’m still hoping the ploy, and it was a ploy and likely an impulsive decision that reflects badly on McCain’s decision-making process, backfires. Dems would like to hear her to say stupid things that would demonstrate her lack of experience and depth but it’s a long shot because she’s savvy and her handlers will keep her in controlled situations... McCain too. The Republicans are playing chess, we’ll see if the Obama campaign is playing chess too. I have confidence they are.

Palin has about five or six nagging issues following her from Alaska such as earmarks, bridge to nowhere, book banning, helicopter hunting, a thin resume, and a pregnant daughter but the republican base and religious right will dismiss those issues because they have their own celebrity, an every woman, a mom, a sporty lipstick-wearing MILF, who will attack her political opponents with condescension and contempt.

I think she endeared herself to the base and the Republican Party with her mocking shots at Barack Obama and even Michelle – not about policy but about respect – and I’m hoping a well-planned counter offensive on the ticket will turn that around.

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"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism"
OMG

and this too:

Palin said other than a trip to visit soldiers in Kuwait and Germany last year — "a trip of a lifetime" that "changed my life" — her only other foreign travel was to Mexico and Canada. She also said she had never met a head of state and added: "If you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you."

Pressed about what insights into recent Russian actions she gained by living in Alaska, Palin answered: "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

from www.msn.com

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Whether Sarah Palin has returned to Alaska to attend to family, take a crash course on national and international matters, or simply to limit her exposure to the press, the fact is her withdrawal from public limits her exposure and as a result, opportunities for voters to assess the candidate for themselves.

Last week, we learned she is any every woman, a mom, a governor, a reformer, a politician who can deliver a devastating attack on her opponent with a smile on her face, a Christian who believes the war in Iraq is a "task that is from God” and that abortion - even in cases of rape and incest - should be a crime in the United Stated. She is the candidate for the second highest elected office in the land, one heartbeat from the presidency.

With 60 days before the election, what is the McCain campaign saying about VP candidate Sarah Palin by taking her off the campaign trail?

David Gregory:

“There has got to be a concern in the McCain camp that her initial appearance, as dazzling as it was, might represent a high water mark. Senator Biden is going to appear on meet the press Sunday with Tom Brokaw but McCain’s campaign manager Rick Davis was on Morning Joe with Joe Scarborough this morning and said there’s no plans yet for her to do any interviews. Listen to this:”

Joe Scarborough: Can we expect Sarah Palin on Meet the Press and other one on one interviews throughout the course of this campaign?

Rick Davis: We’re going to do whatever we think is the best to win. We have 60 days left and if we think it’s a good idea to go out there and do those shows, we’ll do ‘em.

I think McCain’s campaign manager just admitted that it may not be a good idea for McCain’s prospects to have Sarah Palin answer questions in one on one interviews on the usual nationally televised programs.

Joe Scarborough: Can you avoid it? Can you avoid Meet the Press?

Rick Davis: We can afford anything we want to do.

As recently as last night, John McCain promised to set a new standard for transparency and accountability. One would think that would include requiring the VP candidate, an admitted new comer to the national scene, to campaign and to answer questions in one on one interviews as is expected of VP and other holding elected national office. I’m left wonder whether John McCain and Rick Davis expect you and me to buy a pig in a poke.

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between a pit bull and a pig?

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A: One of them isn't funny, because you said it.

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been decrying for generations.

After Barack Obama said that “you can put lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig,” the McCain campaign claimed he was referring to Sarah Palin. Should Republicans be angry, especially when John McCain has said the same phrase in the past?
VIDEO

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Ok, is it just me or does Palin's ignorance about the Bush Doctrine set a pretty low bar for "formidable" foreign policy experience?

Alaska is right next to the Russian Federation on the globe. That's what McCain's surrogates said about her foreign policy experience.

She thought a doctrine, The Bush Doctrine, was akin to a person's worldview. Will someone please get Palin a dictionary, a white paper, and take her off the ticket?

If she's on the ticket, and McCain - the oldest ever presidential candidate - wins, there's a real chance that she'd have the launch codes before his term his up.

Think twice before voting this ticket. She's completely out of her depth and I for one think is was completely irresponsible and selfish of McCain to put her on the ticket to get the religious right vote and female votes. Choose a qualified candidate for chr*st sake.

Gibson: Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?

Palin: In what respect, Charlie?

Gibson: What do you interpret it to be?

Palin: His worldview.

Gibson: No, No, the Bush Doctrine. He enunciated it in September 2002, before the Iraq War. ...

Palin: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is to rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hellbent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership--and that's the beauty of American elections and democracy--with new leadership comes the opportunity to do things better.

Gibson: The Bush Doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory defense. We have the right to preemptively strike any other country that we believe is going to attack us.

Palin: I agree that a president's job, when they swear in their oath to uphold our Constitution, their top priority is to defend the United States of America.

I know that John McCain will do that and I, as his vice president, families we are blessed with that vote of the American people and are elected to serve and are sworn in on January 20, that will be our top priority is to defend the American people.

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Next up: the Monroe Doctrine

Gibson: Ms. Palin, do you thing that Russia is looking to establish something like the Monroe Doctrine in the Caucasus?

Palin: I think Marilyn had a beautiful outlook on life. Russians are ugly. So no.

Okay, okay, I made that up. But yeah, wicked stupid.

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Here's Palin on Charlie Rose talking about national security, bragging about her son's enlistment, saying it will be the main issue in the next presidential election and that every official in the US should be "doing everything they can."

So where does that fit in with learning about foreign policy fundamentals, like the Bush doctrine?

Palin on Rose 1 min.

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Palin says Alaska supplies 20 percent of U.S. energy. Not true. Not even close.

Palin claims Alaska "produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy." That's not true.

Alaska did produce 14 percent of all the oil from U.S. wells last year, but that's a far cry from all the "energy" produced in the U.S.

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The idea was to make a statement that Sarah Palin does not speak for all Alaska women, or men...

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Basically, in Anchorage, if you can get 25 people to show up at an event, it’s a success. So, I thought to myself, if we can actually get 100 people there that aren’t sent by Eddie Burke, we’ll be doing good...

Never, have I seen anything like it in my 17 and a half years living in Anchorage. The organizers had someone walk the rally with a counter, and they clicked off well over 1400 people (not including the 90 counter-demonstrators). This was the biggest political rally ever, in the history of the state. I was absolutely stunned. The second most amazing thing is how many people honked and gave the thumbs up as they drove by....

So, if you’ve been doing the math… Yes. The Alaska Women Reject Palin rally was significantly bigger than Palin’s rally that got all the national media coverage! So take heart, sit back, and enjoy the photo gallery. Feel free to spread the pictures around (links are appreciated) to anyone who needs to know that Sarah Palin most definitely does not speak for all Alaskans. The citizens of Alaska, who know her best, have things to say....

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TV channel KTUU in Anchorage AK has news story about the rally. video 4mins.

The rally was Saturday, 9/13.

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Rachel Maddow in GOP fibs video 4mins.

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Jerome Corsi's "The Obama Nation" is a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods.

* Corsi claims that Obama "could claim to be a citizen of Kenya as well as of the United States." But the Kenyan Constitution specifically prohibits dual citizenship.

* Corsi falsely states that Obama, who has admitted to drug use as a teenager, "has yet to answer" questions about whether he stopped using drugs. In fact, Obama has answered that question twice, including once in the autobiography that Corsi reviews in his book.

* Corsi relies on claims from one of Obama's "closest" childhood friends to "prove" that Obama once was a practicing Muslim, without revealing that the witness later said he couldn't be certain about his claims and confessed to knowing Obama for only a few months.

* Corsi claims that despite Obama's "rhetorically uplifting" speeches, the candidate has never detailed any specific plans. In fact, Obama's Web site is full of detailed policy proposals.

more

[Corsi was a member of the Swiftboat Veterans for (un-)Truth(iness)]

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Alaskans tell their stories about Mayor and Governor Palin.
Three videos 5 mins. each. Good stuff.

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Its about time you go get your own politilcal blog going...this is getting ridiculous.

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Will lock other threads where the discussion has nothing directly to do with Boston as well. I've got my keychain out ...

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