Protest over post-Celtics death
By adamg - Thu, 09/18/2008 - 4:12pm.
Mother wants answers from police 3 months after son's death.
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Still waiting on autopsy results?
Is that credible? Does it normally take 3 months?
autopsy delay
Three months seem like a long time to do an autopsy but I don't know.
I'm glad to see David Woodman's Mom be patient for three months and then put pressure on the police to complete their investigation.
The investigation of the policeman who struck and killed a woman in South Boston, in a two car accident, took nine months. Why it would take that long is a mystery to me.
You would think the detectives would have built their time line, finished the interviews, followed up on the answers given by the nine policemen who witnessed the event (some of whom participated in), and briefed the DA.
The reporter from the Globe, Maria Cramer, reports that
... which was a matter of disagreement at Uhub.
The police say Woodman fled. If that were a fact, it would give the police the justification to use force. I believe Woodman's friends - who were told to leave by the cops or be subject to arrest. They left. One friend came back.
The Suffolk DA is using BPD detectives to investigate. The DA decides whether there will be a criminal indictment. The US attorney will review after the fact to determine if Woodman's civil rights were violated. The private Boston lawyer is reviewing police procedure used in this case. It's an administrative review.
Commisioner Davis looked at a model used in Northern Ireland where civl rights attorneys attend police crowd control planning meetings and observe police action in crowd control situation and then write a report for police and public review. They say its reduced the number of injuries and deaths incurred by citizens at the hands of the police in those situations.
The length of any
The length of any investigation is dictated by its complexity. In this case, we have a particularly complex set of medical factors to consider, and one that requires input from a variety of sources.
The Suffolk DA is using Boston Police detectives to investigate, but he's also using forensic pathologists and other medical investigators. This isn't simply a matter of reviewing an autopsy -- it's a comprehensive evaluation of the medical examiner's findings alongside a tremendous amount of related and peripheral information.
I wonder if BPD detectives are
in the best position to maintain objectivity in a matter that might affect their colleagues.
That's what the Woodman's
That's what the Woodman's lawyer said. He wanted to the FBI to do the investigation. Davis refused. Davis decided instead to appoint Atty Stern (former US Attorney) to review police procedure.... smoke and mirrors.
Funny that it was Davis' call to make.
But so it goes.
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Earth to Earthicans: You DO live in a police state. You created it by giving away your authority to a centralized government. You do not want to be responsible for things yourself, so you create other entities to bear the burden. Then, you are controlled by your own votes. It's called authoritarianism.
It seems like every sports victory means someone will die in Mass. What an amazing dynasty we have.
Three murders that go on unpunished, save the guy who panicked in his car near NU, because he hit a cop's relative. All preventable. All saddening.
shutdown threads with active discussions.
I don't know why Adamg continues to shutdown threads with active discussions.
So what if people disagree and call each other names? In addition to the name calling, there are plenty of substantive points being discussed.
Furthermore, it is not an inconsequential issue. It is an issue that affects each and every one of us. Civil rights and accountability.
Yes, substantive points were being discussed
And then we got to the point where the discussion was basically:
Thug cops killed Woodman
No they didn't
Yes they did
No they didn't
Fascist
Idiot
Repeated over and over. In a discussion about a totally separate case.
Feel free to keep the Woodman discussion going here.
I thought you shut it down
I thought you shut it down because of name-calling not because the arguments amounted to no more than contradiction. These recent comments are more than contradiction: comment, comment, comment . From what I can tell, Uhub regulars had the BPD police apologist on the run.
I figure activity, any activity is good for advertising revenue. Page hits are page hits. Isn't that why you removed the registration requierment?
Never ascribe ulterior motives when lazy stupidness will do
Although I think adults should be able to disagree - vehemently, even - without calling each other shitheads, I recognize that some people feel compelled to use such language, so, no, that was not the issue. The issue was nobody was saying anything they hadn't already said.
And no, the registration issue is unrelated to my plans for world domination.
Here's the deal with that: Over the past couple of months, I've migrated a couple of sub-sites from Movable Type to Drupal (the software UH runs on): the Wicked Good Guide to Boston English and Boston Crime. Both were always open sites but with moderation, i.e., nothing got posted unless I approved it first. That worked very well in both areas, something about the nature of their content seemed to preclude the circular discussions we get on UH. I found a module that would let me keep them "open" while maintaining the registration requirement for the main part of the site. But it has a bug: It will put a "Reply" link on everything, even when the user cannot, in fact, reply (i.e., an unregistered user on UH). I keep meaning to find where the reply link is built in the Drupal code and do something about it, but I just haven't gotten around to it yet. So in the meantime, I've left UH "open" along with the guide and the crime pages (which presents an interesting issue, as you've shown, since those pages are now showing up on both the main UH site and on the crime subsite; one of the reasons I moved it over to Drupal was so I could stop double posting for every major crime; one here and one on the crime site).
I can't believe I just spent all that time writing that, but there you go.
Thanks, I feel better. I
Thanks, I feel better. I certainly seems less arbitrary or punitive.
Ebbs and flows
it's an internet tradition to cut things off when they hit low points.
haven't much thought about it until this moment, but that's not how things work in real life.
imagine just ending public meetings if someone speaks out of turn.
it's useful to consider that there are trends, and then there are not-trends that are blips in the course of a debate that might not serve some higher purpose. these may nonetheless be useful in redirecting, or even refocusing, the discussion.
you've forked it here, which would amount to a silent refocusing of the conversation, except now it's taken an odd turn into a meta discussion about the original conversation.
i guess that makes you a Nazi!
:p