How many college kids will be killed?
-Zero, everything will go hunky-dory
-Zero, just a few tasered
-One, shot in the eye with a pepper ball
-One, crushed in a pig pile
-Two, shot in the back for drinking green beer
-Three or more, America, Fuck Yeah!
This is utterly ridiculous, excessive, and expensive. It also incites anger in a crowd as you push them around and intimidate them. Police state much?
I don't see this ending very well. Remember the escalations of the cold war? Same idea here when you pit the baton happy cops against a stupid drunk crowd.
Here's an idea, how about using small, almost invisible tactical teams and good communication and going after the very few trouble makers? Well, that would require some common sense, without projecting your authority on the populace.
This shiat needs to stop. The police need to police and stop pretending like they're the nation guard or a militia.
This may well get some people's feathers ruffled, but here goes: While I agree that this was a number of years ago, many people complained of excessive presence of cops around during the time of mandatory school busing here in Boston. However, what many people fail to realize is that, had there not been cops present, there would've been even more blood on the streets than there were at that time.
Cops at this parade will be staffed in the same way that they staff New Years eve or the Boston Marathon. In past years the parade and fans of the parade were given many liberties to public drinking and disorderly behavior and the cops only acted in cases where people were too drunk, kids were drunk, or fights were brewing. Anyone with a red cup could walk anywhere in Southie and no cop would bother them.
The cops arent the ones choosing to boost the police presence, its the residents that complain more and more every year that the cops aren't enforcing the law at the parade and basically aren't doing what the resident want them to do...
We usually think of parades, like the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Southie, as family-friendly events.
While families are regularly seen along the parade-route, the drunkenness and rowdiness of the event is something that I would not subject my young child to. There are plenty of other parades around where the parade-watchers are there for fun, not public drunkenness.
If Boston wants to keep this particular parade family-friendly, then, by all means, up the police presence and impound the open containers.
If they want it to be a drunken good-time, then they should drop the pretense of it being a family-friendly event. Gate off the streets, check IDs on entrance, stamp their wrists, and let the booze flow...
that, often enough, draws a crowd of as much as 300, 000-500,000 people or more, then, yes, there has to be afew hundred cops around. When problems do arise with cops, it's generally because some cops are badly trained in crowd control, there are too few, or they're spread too thin to be affective.
When it comes to the escalation of crowd rowdiness, that generally tends to result when cops are badly-trained. The incident when the young woman was shot to death by the shooting of a pepper ball to the eye during a baseball game not long ago is a very, very gross example of this lack of training by the cops, as is the horrific incident with David Woodward and the tragic death that ensued after the use of excessive force during an arrest.
The officers involved in David Woodman's death were not badly trained nor did they use excessive force. In fact, the officers adhered to the latest use-of-force training as recommended by outside professionals and stayed well within the guidelines for the level of resistance they were getting -- guidelines that allowed for more force than they used. Most of them became police officers in the post-Rodney King era, meaning they'd been immersed their entire careers in training that emphasized discipline in force -- hence multiple officers using less force rather than one officer nightsticking his way through the arrest.
Yea, Im not going into the whole Woodman thing again here or there, but just one thing on "lack of training" by the cops.
That pepper gun incident had more to do with the peppergun itself and the policy than it did the officer that fired it. The gun itself is a C02 propelled paintball gun for all intents and purpuses and per policy is supposed to be fired at the chest and not the head. Now that part in itself is hard enough to do from 10-20 feet away. The pepperball gun is also not supposed to be fired so hard so that it would hurt someone, let alone kill someone.
Bottomline with the peppergun is that the gunitself is dangerous, and not really "less than lethal" like they thought it was. Total negligence on the part of the policy makers on that one.
Bottomline with the peppergun is that the gunitself is dangerous, and not really "less than lethal" like they thought it was. Total negligence on the part of the policy makers on that one.
last point be the case, then maybe the peppergun should be outlawed altogether, or not be used in dense crowds like they had at the baseball game, or whatever event that horrible incident took place at that time. This tragic death, imho, was totally unnecessary...and preventable. It really does seem that the cop using the pepper gun was improperly trained on how to use this particular weapon, or just poorly trained and out of control...period. There's no excuse.
And I don't think they use the pepperball gun anymore (or use a different kind), but even if the person was trained in using it, the training specifically says that the balls must be fired at the chest or extremities or else it is more than what it is intented for, "less than lethal".
Its simply too much to ask for anyone to be reasonably trusted to hit someone in the chest with that thing every time it is used.
The cops were probably afraid you would use your stormtrooper laser on them. They only carry pistols, and I don't think their body armor protects them against laser guns.
This is Southie we're talking about. The parade is a celebration of defiant refusal to be assimilated into the moderate, tolerant, law-abiding populace of Boston.
No other minority group has demonstrated a more vehement unwillingness to learn from its own history.
32 years ago: rocks and bottles thrown at school buses.
17 years ago: rocks and bottles thrown at gays and lesbians.
More recently, hispanics and asians beaten and harassed just for walking down the street.
The rest of us should just stay away and let Southie put its ignorance on parade without our help.
Don't know what movie you took your impressions from, but that isn't the southie I live in.
For the most part it's a safe and friendly neighbor hood. It still has a few brutish relics left over, and some small outbreaks of crime now and again, but it is safe walking down the street at night.
You're denigrating an entire community based upon the actions of a minority within that community. Using such a standard, every neighborhood in the city could be dismissed as worthless.
So who picks up the tab for the 600 cops on Sunday (doubletime?) for a private parade that excludes gay people from participating?
That would be the private org that sponsors the parade and not the taxpayers of the city of Boston who have been told by their mayor that 60 police plus firemen and teachers will be laid off due to budge contrstraints?
If the detail is paid for by the public, then no one should be excluded from marching and we should consider whether we'd rather pay 600 cops doubletime on a Sunday or keep 6 on the payroll for a year.
the parade does pay for some of the police and security hired for the parade. I don't know how much they actually pay though.
I think the bottom line with the parade is though that the more people that come in to watch it, the more money is spend in Southie. So the city isn't losing money off of this "private" parade even if they did have to pay for all of the police and dpw cleanup and stuff that goes into it.
Just a heads up, but some of the liquor stores were doubling the price of beer.
I know Al's Liquors on C street was and would advise everyone to think about skipping them and their business for this shady business practice. They already were moving lots of volume, no need to stick it to your customers too.
Southie Liquors between E and F was not, from my experience inside. YMMV.
As a resident of the city and a real estate taxpayer I have an objection to paying for city-funded BPD security details for a private parade, futhermor a private parade that specifically excludes gay people.
The reason the parade organizers can exclude gay people is that it is a privately organized event and the organizing committee has the right of association, part of our first amendment rights. This right was affirmed in court. This right is a right of an individual or a private organization. If the public (city) organized the parade, it would not have the right to exclude gay people.
By underwriting the cost of 600 BPD officers on a Sunday, the city is providing public funds for a private event. I object to my taxes being used to underright the cost of event that discriminates against some (other) city residents and taxpayers who are gay.
if the KKK wanted to have a public protest on the Boston Common. The KKK aren't going to pay for police, but you can bet the police are going to be there.
Im not saying thats right either, but it is what it is.
When private organizations host rallys, they can exclude whomever they want, and the City can either deny permits or grant them based on security, cleanup and cost.
In the cast of the St. Paddys day parade, the city makes money even with the cost of police and cleanup. In the case of a KKK rally, they cant deny or grant the permit on the basis of the group, but they can request certain cost be covered if they want to. Either way, the city is going to have a very hard legal battle denying any group that wants to demonstrate in a public place.
And did I say it was "exactly the same"? No I didnt. But the same principles apply. When there are large private events, sometimes the city puts up the cost for obvious reasons.
Are you still mad becuase the courts ruled that the police werent at fault in those other cases? Because you are always right aren't you?
In the cast of the St. Paddys day parade, the city makes money even with the cost of police and cleanup.
No have no evidence that the city "makes" money to pay for the St Pasddy's Day Parade cost of security or cleanup. Exactly what source of revenue pays for 600 BPD officers on a Sunday - how much does it cost and how much revenue is collected from what source?
This is known as changing the subject. Instead of defending your assertions you try to turn it back on the person who has asked you to explain your metaphor and substantiate your claims. Because you cannot, your attack.
Whenever the poloice are mentioned you post as some kind of expert and your posts illustrate that you are frequently uninformed on the topic.
Your first post, in reportnse the the costs of St Paddy's day parade security and cleanup is to compare it to the KKK requesting a permit for the Common and claim It would be the same as Sorry Paddy-boyo but you are woefully off the mark. It's like bla bla bla.
Then you claim the city collects enough revenue in providing security at the ST Paddy's Day parade to finance the cost of security and cleanup, without any evidence for that claim, whatsoever. In my neighborhood, we call you a bullshit artist. So maybe you should stop posting as an expert and backup your claims or just shutup because no one buys your crap anyway.
Next time a Boston Cop kills an college student on the streets of Boston following a national sports championship, you'll see what the wrath of the outraged masses brings to this city.
Wrath of the outraged masses? In Boston? Wrath of the internet posters, maybe. Or wrath of the self-righteous out-of-towners. Perhaps the wrath of the petition circulators. The masses in Boston reserve their wrath for rioting students, not the cops who have to engage them.
A small cadre of college student revolutionaries-til-graduation with berets and Che Guevara T-shirts shall lead a righteous mob to march on the centers of government and demand redress!!!
They shall do this by handing out free Bud Light in 64 oz cups to other college students, while shouting over megaphones that the Red Sox beat the Yankees again and there's free pizza in the second floor kitchenette of City Hall.
But why don't you tell me how tens of thousands of people going to a parade probably doesn't bring money to the econony on top of the fact that hundreds of people were fined tens of thousands of dollars in public drinking fines?
You must be right. Im sure the City of Boston lost millions of dollars off this parade and the lower IQ cops lost out on a chance to kill some innocent people on purpose. Your point makes a whole heck of a lot more sense. Just like you were right about those cops that went to jail for murder of all those innocent people (oh wait....you mean the courts were right?) Have fun waiting in your moms basement for the revolution.
And did I totally compare it to a KKK rally? No, the point was that public funds are sometimes paid for private events no matter what the reason for the event was. I should have made it clearer for you since you only think one way. Thats my point. I don't have the dam money figures from city hall here but do you really want to know why the City of Boston likes to have events like the Parade, 4th of July fireworks, Redsox rallies, or marathon? You can't be that dumb.
And just look back to see who insulted who first in order to make a point that is wrong anyway.
In this case, a private committee is excluding part of the population from participating, even though the city is underwriting the costs. The city has the right to permit the parade or not permit the parade. It also has the right to demand full compensation for police security or not.
The same can be said for a permit for the KKK on the common or anywhere else. Secondly, when did the KKK last request a permit on the common? And did they seek to exclude other classes of people from participating?
This is irrevelevant, because no other people in their right minds or who possess even a modicum of common decency would want to participate in a KKK parade.
Also, one must bear in mind, that, no matter what kind of parade it is, or where it's being held, cops are needed around....period.
Comments
Background on all those cops
BPD won't let 'drunken idiots' take over again.
This is the type of manpower you see for a riot or a World Series celebration. But we're talking a parade.
Every horse and bike cop?
Lemme guess...a little overtime for those who aren't going to have jobs soon? Gee, how thoughtful of them.
Who pays
This is a private event, right? That's how they can exclude a class of people from marching, such as gay people.
Who pays for the police?
You talkin' ta me?
Exclude what? Did you intend that as a response to someone else?
Enforce parking on sunday
SB residents cars ONLY!!! (i wish)... I'm getting out of town anyways, I've had it with this parade!!!
Wrong question
How many college kids will be killed?
-Zero, everything will go hunky-dory
-Zero, just a few tasered
-One, shot in the eye with a pepper ball
-One, crushed in a pig pile
-Two, shot in the back for drinking green beer
-Three or more, America, Fuck Yeah!
Will the cops be drinking?
Will the cops be drinking? Or are they finding the 600 cops that aren't Irish. ;)
how many of the cops are in
how many of the cops are in the parade?
This is utterly ridiculous,
This is utterly ridiculous, excessive, and expensive. It also incites anger in a crowd as you push them around and intimidate them. Police state much?
I don't see this ending very well. Remember the escalations of the cold war? Same idea here when you pit the baton happy cops against a stupid drunk crowd.
Here's an idea, how about using small, almost invisible tactical teams and good communication and going after the very few trouble makers? Well, that would require some common sense, without projecting your authority on the populace.
This shiat needs to stop. The police need to police and stop pretending like they're the nation guard or a militia.
Here's another example in point of why cops are needed:
This may well get some people's feathers ruffled, but here goes: While I agree that this was a number of years ago, many people complained of excessive presence of cops around during the time of mandatory school busing here in Boston. However, what many people fail to realize is that, had there not been cops present, there would've been even more blood on the streets than there were at that time.
If people can't manage to
If people can't manage to restrain themselves from idiotic hooligan behavior, then this is going to be the city's reaction.
Wonder what Brett thinks about this...
the parade
Cops at this parade will be staffed in the same way that they staff New Years eve or the Boston Marathon. In past years the parade and fans of the parade were given many liberties to public drinking and disorderly behavior and the cops only acted in cases where people were too drunk, kids were drunk, or fights were brewing. Anyone with a red cup could walk anywhere in Southie and no cop would bother them.
The cops arent the ones choosing to boost the police presence, its the residents that complain more and more every year that the cops aren't enforcing the law at the parade and basically aren't doing what the resident want them to do...
Funny how that works both ways.
This:
is the whole point, thepassenger, and that's what makes the city's reaction--bringing in more cops--legitimate.
But really
They should just collectively punish Irish people if anybody acts up at the St. Patty's day parade.
Perhaps we should make a law that prohibits Irish people from living more than three to a dwelling. That's obviously what the problem is.
Should Parade Be Family-Friendly?
We usually think of parades, like the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Southie, as family-friendly events.
While families are regularly seen along the parade-route, the drunkenness and rowdiness of the event is something that I would not subject my young child to. There are plenty of other parades around where the parade-watchers are there for fun, not public drunkenness.
If Boston wants to keep this particular parade family-friendly, then, by all means, up the police presence and impound the open containers.
If they want it to be a drunken good-time, then they should drop the pretense of it being a family-friendly event. Gate off the streets, check IDs on entrance, stamp their wrists, and let the booze flow...
Southie parade is not family-friendly
I don't think anyone should take their family to an event that celebrates homophobia.
Really? I think some
Really? I think some would.
(not that it's right)
Whether people like it or not,
it's necessary to have cops around, especially at parades, where there are always humungous crowds of people.
Totally Agree, But at what
Totally Agree,
But at what point does it become excessive and a waste of taxpayers money, and possibly leads to escalations in crowd rowdiness.
If there's an event, such as the St. Patrick's Day Parade,
that, often enough, draws a crowd of as much as 300, 000-500,000 people or more, then, yes, there has to be afew hundred cops around. When problems do arise with cops, it's generally because some cops are badly trained in crowd control, there are too few, or they're spread too thin to be affective.
When it comes to the escalation of crowd rowdiness, that generally tends to result when cops are badly-trained. The incident when the young woman was shot to death by the shooting of a pepper ball to the eye during a baseball game not long ago is a very, very gross example of this lack of training by the cops, as is the horrific incident with David Woodward and the tragic death that ensued after the use of excessive force during an arrest.
The officers involved in
The officers involved in David Woodman's death were not badly trained nor did they use excessive force. In fact, the officers adhered to the latest use-of-force training as recommended by outside professionals and stayed well within the guidelines for the level of resistance they were getting -- guidelines that allowed for more force than they used. Most of them became police officers in the post-Rodney King era, meaning they'd been immersed their entire careers in training that emphasized discipline in force -- hence multiple officers using less force rather than one officer nightsticking his way through the arrest.
What else could've gone wrong?
If the cops didn't use excessive force during David Woodman's arrest, what else could've gone wrong, then?
The David Woodman discussion is thataway
Like: Over there ====>.
training
Yea, Im not going into the whole Woodman thing again here or there, but just one thing on "lack of training" by the cops.
That pepper gun incident had more to do with the peppergun itself and the policy than it did the officer that fired it. The gun itself is a C02 propelled paintball gun for all intents and purpuses and per policy is supposed to be fired at the chest and not the head. Now that part in itself is hard enough to do from 10-20 feet away. The pepperball gun is also not supposed to be fired so hard so that it would hurt someone, let alone kill someone.
Bottomline with the peppergun is that the gunitself is dangerous, and not really "less than lethal" like they thought it was. Total negligence on the part of the policy makers on that one.
If this:
last point be the case, then maybe the peppergun should be outlawed altogether, or not be used in dense crowds like they had at the baseball game, or whatever event that horrible incident took place at that time. This tragic death, imho, was totally unnecessary...and preventable. It really does seem that the cop using the pepper gun was improperly trained on how to use this particular weapon, or just poorly trained and out of control...period. There's no excuse.
You are right...
And I don't think they use the pepperball gun anymore (or use a different kind), but even if the person was trained in using it, the training specifically says that the balls must be fired at the chest or extremities or else it is more than what it is intented for, "less than lethal".
Its simply too much to ask for anyone to be reasonably trusted to hit someone in the chest with that thing every time it is used.
Last year sucked. I got
Last year sucked. I got tackled by drunk people while marching in the parade in my plastic geek armor (Stormtrooper armor).
The police did nothing even though they were right there and saw people tackling people marching in the parade. They stood there, some even laughing.
So I don't know if adding more police will do anything about the police NOT DOING THEIR DAMN JOBS. Maybe they'll get a pep talk this year?
The cops were probably
The cops were probably afraid you would use your stormtrooper laser on them. They only carry pistols, and I don't think their body armor protects them against laser guns.
Well then:
Any cop who responds out of plain fear has no business being a cop.
What did you expect?
This is Southie we're talking about. The parade is a celebration of defiant refusal to be assimilated into the moderate, tolerant, law-abiding populace of Boston.
No other minority group has demonstrated a more vehement unwillingness to learn from its own history.
32 years ago: rocks and bottles thrown at school buses.
17 years ago: rocks and bottles thrown at gays and lesbians.
More recently, hispanics and asians beaten and harassed just for walking down the street.
The rest of us should just stay away and let Southie put its ignorance on parade without our help.
Don't know what movie you
Don't know what movie you took your impressions from, but that isn't the southie I live in.
For the most part it's a safe and friendly neighbor hood. It still has a few brutish relics left over, and some small outbreaks of crime now and again, but it is safe walking down the street at night.
Come On
You're denigrating an entire community based upon the actions of a minority within that community. Using such a standard, every neighborhood in the city could be dismissed as worthless.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
unjust-ifiable
So who picks up the tab for the 600 cops on Sunday (doubletime?) for a private parade that excludes gay people from participating?
That would be the private org that sponsors the parade and not the taxpayers of the city of Boston who have been told by their mayor that 60 police plus firemen and teachers will be laid off due to budge contrstraints?
If the detail is paid for by the public, then no one should be excluded from marching and we should consider whether we'd rather pay 600 cops doubletime on a Sunday or keep 6 on the payroll for a year.
So who picks up the tab for
So who picks up the tab for the 600 cops on Sunday (doubletime?) for a private parade that excludes gay people from participating?
Like the marathon
the parade does pay for some of the police and security hired for the parade. I don't know how much they actually pay though.
I think the bottom line with the parade is though that the more people that come in to watch it, the more money is spend in Southie. So the city isn't losing money off of this "private" parade even if they did have to pay for all of the police and dpw cleanup and stuff that goes into it.
Just curious
What are the main reasons for the large police presence?
Is there a concern that there will be drunken brawling? Is it mainly to keep the crowd from growing into the street?
I'm not questioning whether it's necessary; just curious why.
Tradition and History
If they pay the cops to be there and in uniform, that's 600 fewer Irishmen drinking ...
(ducks)
Uh-Huh
For Elucidation...
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com/2009/03/tis-great-day-for-semi-irish.html
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
police presence
Its because of a lot of residents that are fed up with police not doing anything to quell disorderly behavior during the parade.
So its basically to make the residents happy.
yes of course
except it's southie, so they're not paying taxes on those $20 bar admission fees, or the under-the-table wages
Just a heads up, but some of
Just a heads up, but some of the liquor stores were doubling the price of beer.
I know Al's Liquors on C street was and would advise everyone to think about skipping them and their business for this shady business practice. They already were moving lots of volume, no need to stick it to your customers too.
Southie Liquors between E and F was not, from my experience inside. YMMV.
Menino gets gay votes - WHY?
As a resident of the city and a real estate taxpayer I have an objection to paying for city-funded BPD security details for a private parade, futhermor a private parade that specifically excludes gay people.
The reason the parade organizers can exclude gay people is that it is a privately organized event and the organizing committee has the right of association, part of our first amendment rights. This right was affirmed in court. This right is a right of an individual or a private organization. If the public (city) organized the parade, it would not have the right to exclude gay people.
By underwriting the cost of 600 BPD officers on a Sunday, the city is providing public funds for a private event. I object to my taxes being used to underright the cost of event that discriminates against some (other) city residents and taxpayers who are gay.
the same would happen
if the KKK wanted to have a public protest on the Boston Common. The KKK aren't going to pay for police, but you can bet the police are going to be there.
Im not saying thats right either, but it is what it is.
ummmm
it's not exactly the same, for a couple of obvious and important reasons
i'll leave the research up to you since, as a know-it-all, you've obviously got the time to dig into this a little more. think super duper hard.
No, its not that hard
When private organizations host rallys, they can exclude whomever they want, and the City can either deny permits or grant them based on security, cleanup and cost.
In the cast of the St. Paddys day parade, the city makes money even with the cost of police and cleanup. In the case of a KKK rally, they cant deny or grant the permit on the basis of the group, but they can request certain cost be covered if they want to. Either way, the city is going to have a very hard legal battle denying any group that wants to demonstrate in a public place.
And did I say it was "exactly the same"? No I didnt. But the same principles apply. When there are large private events, sometimes the city puts up the cost for obvious reasons.
Are you still mad becuase the courts ruled that the police werent at fault in those other cases? Because you are always right aren't you?
anon....
imaginery revenue source?
No have no evidence that the city "makes" money to pay for the St Pasddy's Day Parade cost of security or cleanup. Exactly what source of revenue pays for 600 BPD officers on a Sunday - how much does it cost and how much revenue is collected from what source?
Here is some whole cloth. Make something of it.
"Because you are always right aren't you?"
This is known as changing the subject. Instead of defending your assertions you try to turn it back on the person who has asked you to explain your metaphor and substantiate your claims. Because you cannot, your attack.
Whenever the poloice are mentioned you post as some kind of expert and your posts illustrate that you are frequently uninformed on the topic.
Your first post, in reportnse the the costs of St Paddy's day parade security and cleanup is to compare it to the KKK requesting a permit for the Common and claim It would be the same as Sorry Paddy-boyo but you are woefully off the mark. It's like bla bla bla.
Then you claim the city collects enough revenue in providing security at the ST Paddy's Day parade to finance the cost of security and cleanup, without any evidence for that claim, whatsoever. In my neighborhood, we call you a bullshit artist. So maybe you should stop posting as an expert and backup your claims or just shutup because no one buys your crap anyway.
Next time a Boston Cop kills an college student on the streets of Boston following a national sports championship, you'll see what the wrath of the outraged masses brings to this city.
Does the BPD have a minimum IQ requirement?
Wrath of the outraged
Wrath of the outraged masses? In Boston? Wrath of the internet posters, maybe. Or wrath of the self-righteous out-of-towners. Perhaps the wrath of the petition circulators. The masses in Boston reserve their wrath for rioting students, not the cops who have to engage them.
Wrath of the outraged
Wrath of the outraged masses?
A small cadre of college student revolutionaries-til-graduation with berets and Che Guevara T-shirts shall lead a righteous mob to march on the centers of government and demand redress!!!
They shall do this by handing out free Bud Light in 64 oz cups to other college students, while shouting over megaphones that the Red Sox beat the Yankees again and there's free pizza in the second floor kitchenette of City Hall.
Party on, La Resistance.
Never said I was always right.....
But why don't you tell me how tens of thousands of people going to a parade probably doesn't bring money to the econony on top of the fact that hundreds of people were fined tens of thousands of dollars in public drinking fines?
You must be right. Im sure the City of Boston lost millions of dollars off this parade and the lower IQ cops lost out on a chance to kill some innocent people on purpose. Your point makes a whole heck of a lot more sense. Just like you were right about those cops that went to jail for murder of all those innocent people (oh wait....you mean the courts were right?) Have fun waiting in your moms basement for the revolution.
And did I totally compare it to a KKK rally? No, the point was that public funds are sometimes paid for private events no matter what the reason for the event was. I should have made it clearer for you since you only think one way. Thats my point. I don't have the dam money figures from city hall here but do you really want to know why the City of Boston likes to have events like the Parade, 4th of July fireworks, Redsox rallies, or marathon? You can't be that dumb.
And just look back to see who insulted who first in order to make a point that is wrong anyway.
You equivalence is brain
You equivalence is brain dead.
In this case, a private committee is excluding part of the population from participating, even though the city is underwriting the costs. The city has the right to permit the parade or not permit the parade. It also has the right to demand full compensation for police security or not.
The same can be said for a permit for the KKK on the common or anywhere else. Secondly, when did the KKK last request a permit on the common? And did they seek to exclude other classes of people from participating?
The KKK:
This is irrevelevant, because no other people in their right minds or who possess even a modicum of common decency would want to participate in a KKK parade.
Also, one must bear in mind, that, no matter what kind of parade it is, or where it's being held, cops are needed around....period.
maybe illnois nazis?
Even though I hate them....