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How quaint: New York Times dispatches foreign stringer to the wilds of Boston

The Times stereotypes Boston natives as quivering in fear of giant metal birds that belch smoke losing yet another local institution to sophisticated New Yorkers. The Outraged Liberal shakes an ox bone at the metal beast explains why it's just more proof of how out of touch the Manhattan Overlords are:

... I personally think we're over the "faraway headquarters" angst -- something the faraway owners of the Times should have recognized awhile ago, if they paid attention. BankBoston, John Hancock, Gillette. That's so 20th Century.

In fact, we've adapted quite well to Google and Microsoft entering our midst to provide employment for folks with an affinity to MIT, that other major Cambridge institution whose name does not begin with an H.

No offense to Perez-Pena, but the assignment seemed as if it were described as "find out why those people are so upset." The folks in charge in Manhattan seem to be totally out of touch with the reality of Boston today. ...

Ed. note: Also, the reporter was obviously relying on outdated clips, because he thinks the Filene's building is still standing.

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"I have disagreements with The Globe, but what's good for Boston" he said in an interview. "To have them not here would be a big hole in our life."

"A big hole" is the metaphor on everyone's minds.

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When Google wanted to open a major US office, they went to New York instead of Boston.

As they were building the staff for NY, they cold-called me, but I told them I had to decline to due personal connections in Boston.

When they later opened an outpost in Boston, it was publicly known to be tiny and perpetually flirting with acquiring bigger office space. I had to go to them, practically begging (including a sleepless night before one of the interviews), rather than them approach me like they did for the fancy office in NY.

(NDA prevents me from saying much more, though I can humbly admit that I didn't get the job I wanted, and it was left open as a possibility if/when a specific thing in Boston happened. I couldn't afford to wait for the timeframe they mentioned, so I quickly accepted an opportunity elsewhere, and never got back to Google.)

For high-tech industry, I'd say things Boston has going for it are the schools (especially MIT and Harvard, but some of the others as well), Blue State-ness and progressiveness on things like gay marriage, momentum from past high-tech industry, walkability, some degree of livability and cultural opportunities, and (for people like me) gentler compared to NY.

Drawbacks for high-tech -- and I'll preface this by saying that Boston is my home and I've continually chosen to stay here -- include paucity of local investors, inferior nightlife/culture, general second-class status compared to NY, so-so public transit, lousy weather compared to Bay Area, high prices for inferior real estate, perceived by techies as bumbling due to how some recent news events played out in Internet forums.

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If you stand at the corner of Summer and Washington Streets, you see exactly what the Times reporter saw -- a large vacant building. Only if you walk further north on Washington do you see that only two of the four walls are still there.

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The more the survival of the Globe becomes framed as one of those Boston vs. New York things, the more we can say goodbye to the Hub's broadsheet.

Alas, in the last week or so, we've seen the latest incarnation of the old rivalry -- often one-sided, as believe me, most New Yorkers don't sit around stewing about why they hate Boston.

I'm waiting for the "Times Sucks" T-shirts to go on sale anytime now.

Maybe the bigger, more systemic problem is contained in Dan Kennedy's comment at the end of the Times piece:

But Mr. Kennedy said that last year, when he taught a freshman journalism class at Northeastern, “one of the things that really struck me was these students had basically no experience reading a newspaper of any kind.”

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New York is like a big dog, and Boston is like a little dog yapping and nipping unnoticed at big dog.

I think city and state leaders understand Boston's relative place in the world, but that lots of the rest of us have little-dog perspective.

That's all fine. I just wish we wouldn't be leaving so much infotech money on the table by letting so many MIT grads leave.

Oh, and I also wish we'd remember that we're gentler than NY: if I wanted security checkpoints when I hop on the subway, I'd move to a combat zone, not great little Boston.

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Um, we do have security checkpoints on the subway.

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So long as Boston sees New York as a rival and not a singular American and global metropolis, it's always going to feel inferior.

If Boston would only claim its role as the unofficial capital city of New England, with an outsized global influence in areas such as medicine, high-tech, and higher education, not to mention a claim on history, music, art, and sports, then maybe it would be more comfortable in its own shoes. As a mid-sized city, Boston's presence and influence go far beyond its square mileage.

But the feelings of insecurity here are suffocating. When the survival of an award-winning newspaper becomes an "I Hate New York" thing, we've forgotten what's important about having that paper around and instead have mired ourselves (once again) in smoldering resentments.

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...how much of the problem is perceived rivalry, and how much is a misunderstanding of Boston's place.

And also... how many people actually understand and are fine with it. I'm guessing that's probably a large percentage, and that they're just less likely to be vocal about it. Perhaps the insecure and vocal are mostly the analog of rabid sports fans (or even much the same people as the rabid sports fans).

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Comparing Boston to New York is apples and oranges. Maybe a kumquat, even; it's not like we're in their weight class.

They're very different kinds of places. Boston is a small regional city. New York is a big world city. New York compares to Sao Paulo or Mexico City or Tokyo. Not to Boston. It contrasts with Boston. Go ahead and compare Boston with Baltimore. I won't mind. We do well in that comparison. So what if Boston is a regional city. It's a nice regional city. It could be Columbus, for chrissake. It's like Milwaukee, but with jobs.

Given, I'm kinda out of the whole sports totemism thing. But as someone who prefers to live in Boston and visit New York, I don't really think of the cities as being rivals in any meaningful sense. If I want to visit a big city, I'll visit New York; it's closer than Paris. But I don't think I'd live as well in Paris or New York as I do in Boston, because I couldn't afford to buy a house there, or live near a park. I don't like cramped tiny apartments and concrete everywhere. But that's not a New York thing; it's a world-scale city thing. I prefer a small regional city... like Boston. Enough jobs and all, but still livable.

Outside of sports, the only competition is whose wealthy can buy up New England oceanfront property quicker. Those damn New Yorkers pushed the line right up Connecticut. They talk so loud in the restaurants. Who wants to go to Stonington anymore?

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Neil, interesting points. I think Boston has a unique place. As many other writers and observers have noted, this city is so loaded with inconsistency, paradox, and contradiction. It's a big city and a small town. It's parochial and metropolitan. It's politically blue and culturally (sometimes) rather red. It's elitist and populist.

It makes Boston hard to define. Which may explain why the Globe and Herald represent such different constituencies, and why the Globe has such trouble defining its base, which I think is changing/shifting more than the Herald's.

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as believe me, most New Yorkers don't sit around stewing about why they hate Boston.

Most Bostonians don't sit around stewing about why they hate New York. I don't know who perpetuates this myth.

New York's a great city and so is Boston.

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Most Bostonians don't sit around stewing about why they hate New York. I don't know who perpetuates this myth.

Red Sox fans who try to start YANKEES SUCK chants at Patriots and Bruins games, perhaps?

We may have won more World Series than them in the past 9 years but some folks still cling to the underdog feeling like there's no tomorrow, most likely because they need that common enemy to hate. Shake your fist and smoulder...

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I saw a couple of Twitter posts yesterday that Lakers fans broke out in "Boston sucks!" chants during yesterday's game - against Memphis.

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I wonder if Philadelphia or Baltimaore kvetches and wrings their hands so much about New York? Look, it's simple - the NY metro area has about 20,000,000 compared to Boston's 5,000,000. NY can be compared to London, Paris, Tokyo, but I see Boston as being on the same scale as Vienna, San Francisco and Prague. Doesn't mean Boston is a lesser city, it just means a smaller city. By the way, I love visting NYC, but the Yankees still suck.

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Anyone remember a few years ago when the Philadelphia tourist bureau bombarded Boston with these ads? Doesn't say much for Philly's self-image.

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It was Southwest Airlines that was making us all hate the Sixth Borough:

However, you CAN blame Philadelphia for Philly's got Benergy!

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...despise that commercial!!!!

And as for Mr. Baby New York, what a tool.

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