I don't live in the North End. I do sympathize with the folks that oppose this though. I realize that a majority of these people are newcomers, it shouldn't detract from the fact that this sort of thing would bring nothing but problems. Trash, noise, fights and all the ancillary things that go along with anything staying open that would draw customers. Face it, it's still aresidential neighborhood. Try something similar to the old Buzzy's Roast Beef. It was away from peoples homes (if one doesn't count the old Charles St. Jail!) and in a primarily commercial area.
When this license request was announced, I addressed this very issue of it being a "problem" attractor:
MORE places need to be given freedom to stay open late at night! If there are MORE places open at 3 am, then no single one will attract ALL of the problems and noise. People will be leaving and heading in different directions at different points in time instead of everyone heading for the only place in the entire city that's open. But it's not like 20 places are going to apply to stay open all at the same time...and instead of seeing the value in that, people would freak out and go ballistic about so many late night places applying at once. It is going to take a place at a time being allowed to stay open and the rest of the market seeing the value in competing at that hour too.
It starts with just one, but the North End evidently sucks.
1) Initially, sure. There are basically zero options now, so people who would be out don't go out. However, most of the ones who aren't out are not the drunk revelers the neighborhoods cry about. They're already out.
2) Drunk revelers, late night workers (cops, hospital, second shift, third shift), dorks who look up from their computer and realize it's 3 am and they didn't eat dinner yet, graduate students, gamers who just got done with an intense D&D session, potheads with the munchies...you should just go to the Brighton IHOP or the South St Diner and take a survey.
If there was a 24-hour diner in my neighborhood -- say, at Packards Corner -- all the drunk asshole trust fund students would be THERE at three in the morning, so they wouldn't be throwing up on the sidewalk in front of my house. Win!
If you're that desperate for food at 3AM, plan accordingly and carry a sandwich in a little plastic baggy. An entire neighborhood doesn't need to bow to the whims of a few hungry late nigh revelers.
So screw the people who cant leave work until midnight because theyre busy serving ungrateful people like you, and want to take a shower before getting some food.
And fuck people who live in the city and want to unwind at night after working 8-6 all week. After all, they should be home by 9 and asleep by 11 right?
How does NYC not explode with their many late night eateries? Im sure property values in manhatten are rock bottom because of the noise these late night eaters bring to town.
Read Kerouac some time. People who came of age in the 30s, 40s, and 50s had their pick of late nite, post club eateries to choose from in just about any city on the map.
Ironically enough, Liberals push this crap as much as Conservatives do, albeit for other reasons.
It's why the city will be shutting down the three or so Cigar and Hookah bars that only server a minority, don't effect the majority, and do so in a respectful and controlled manor; IE because someone has an obsession against the vice and it's perceived effect on their little, closed off world.
I don't smoke regularly, but I do enjoy going to a hookah bar with friends once a year or two and now some nanny "Liberal" is trying to tell me an air filtered, closed off, regulated specialty bar is a public nuisance and health hazard.
Sorry, but this Liberal thinks you batshit crazy for picking on them and taking your agenda too far. No one is forced to go there, there's no influx for regular bars to change (regular bars found buissiness to pick up when the ban went into effect), and you know full well what your getting yourself into if you choose to seek employment there.
Much the same as how MADD has gone from being a respectable organization with a just cause to one that is promoting new age prohibition.
As for the North End, this is just another example of what was going on with Southstreet Diner. If it was an late night Stephanie's, you bet your ass there'd be support for it (except for the people directly above it). It's rich a-holes that want their city views, but expect the city to be as quite as a Palmer cottage.
If you're so passionate about this issue, then do something about it as opposed to ranting online. Years ago I worked late shifts and you know what? I packed food to eat after I got out of work! I didn't blame the world for not having all-night options available to me. There are bigger issues in the world than this one to tell people to fuck off about.
Also, comparing Boston to NYC is like comparing apples to oranges. Pointless.
laaaame. I left the neighborhood about a year ago after living there for 5 years--i realize i'm not an old timer or anything but even in my short half-decade it changed alot. Pleated khakis and golf shirts everywhere, its quickly becoming just a suburb of Quincy Market.
Comments
Thanks, you humps
This is why we can't have anything nice.
bummer
i was about to make this my goto spot after the bar. i live right down the street!
Late Closings
I don't live in the North End. I do sympathize with the folks that oppose this though. I realize that a majority of these people are newcomers, it shouldn't detract from the fact that this sort of thing would bring nothing but problems. Trash, noise, fights and all the ancillary things that go along with anything staying open that would draw customers. Face it, it's still aresidential neighborhood. Try something similar to the old Buzzy's Roast Beef. It was away from peoples homes (if one doesn't count the old Charles St. Jail!) and in a primarily commercial area.
That was my point in the last post
When this license request was announced, I addressed this very issue of it being a "problem" attractor:
MORE places need to be given freedom to stay open late at night! If there are MORE places open at 3 am, then no single one will attract ALL of the problems and noise. People will be leaving and heading in different directions at different points in time instead of everyone heading for the only place in the entire city that's open. But it's not like 20 places are going to apply to stay open all at the same time...and instead of seeing the value in that, people would freak out and go ballistic about so many late night places applying at once. It is going to take a place at a time being allowed to stay open and the rest of the market seeing the value in competing at that hour too.
It starts with just one, but the North End evidently sucks.
Questions
1. Will more 3am opportunities increase the number of people out at 3am rather than simply redistributing them?
2. Who are the people out at 3am?
3. How do the residents of neighborhoods with hypothetical 3am places feel about those people?
Answers
To my best estimate:
1) Initially, sure. There are basically zero options now, so people who would be out don't go out. However, most of the ones who aren't out are not the drunk revelers the neighborhoods cry about. They're already out.
2) Drunk revelers, late night workers (cops, hospital, second shift, third shift), dorks who look up from their computer and realize it's 3 am and they didn't eat dinner yet, graduate students, gamers who just got done with an intense D&D session, potheads with the munchies...you should just go to the Brighton IHOP or the South St Diner and take a survey.
3) Welcome to a city.
alternate answer to #3
If there was a 24-hour diner in my neighborhood -- say, at Packards Corner -- all the drunk asshole trust fund students would be THERE at three in the morning, so they wouldn't be throwing up on the sidewalk in front of my house. Win!
quite simple
If you're that desperate for food at 3AM, plan accordingly and carry a sandwich in a little plastic baggy. An entire neighborhood doesn't need to bow to the whims of a few hungry late nigh revelers.
Dweebie
Soup in a thermos, juice box, PB&J with the crusts cut off...
Anon, did your mom marry Mr. Rogers?
grow up
It's people with your sorry attitude that neighbors don't want bothering them at 3AM because your little tummy is hungry!
So screw the people who cant
So screw the people who cant leave work until midnight because theyre busy serving ungrateful people like you, and want to take a shower before getting some food.
And fuck people who live in the city and want to unwind at night after working 8-6 all week. After all, they should be home by 9 and asleep by 11 right?
How does NYC not explode with their many late night eateries? Im sure property values in manhatten are rock bottom because of the noise these late night eaters bring to town.
Early Closing Not Traditional
Read Kerouac some time. People who came of age in the 30s, 40s, and 50s had their pick of late nite, post club eateries to choose from in just about any city on the map.
What in the hell happened?
Prohibition and
Prohibition and Puritanism.
Ironically enough, Liberals push this crap as much as Conservatives do, albeit for other reasons.
It's why the city will be shutting down the three or so Cigar and Hookah bars that only server a minority, don't effect the majority, and do so in a respectful and controlled manor; IE because someone has an obsession against the vice and it's perceived effect on their little, closed off world.
I don't smoke regularly, but I do enjoy going to a hookah bar with friends once a year or two and now some nanny "Liberal" is trying to tell me an air filtered, closed off, regulated specialty bar is a public nuisance and health hazard.
Sorry, but this Liberal thinks you batshit crazy for picking on them and taking your agenda too far. No one is forced to go there, there's no influx for regular bars to change (regular bars found buissiness to pick up when the ban went into effect), and you know full well what your getting yourself into if you choose to seek employment there.
Much the same as how MADD has gone from being a respectable organization with a just cause to one that is promoting new age prohibition.
As for the North End, this is just another example of what was going on with Southstreet Diner. If it was an late night Stephanie's, you bet your ass there'd be support for it (except for the people directly above it). It's rich a-holes that want their city views, but expect the city to be as quite as a Palmer cottage.
If you're so passionate
If you're so passionate about this issue, then do something about it as opposed to ranting online. Years ago I worked late shifts and you know what? I packed food to eat after I got out of work! I didn't blame the world for not having all-night options available to me. There are bigger issues in the world than this one to tell people to fuck off about.
Also, comparing Boston to NYC is like comparing apples to oranges. Pointless.
laaaame. I left the
laaaame. I left the neighborhood about a year ago after living there for 5 years--i realize i'm not an old timer or anything but even in my short half-decade it changed alot. Pleated khakis and golf shirts everywhere, its quickly becoming just a suburb of Quincy Market.