"more proof brains dont grt admitted to harvard they should be required to sweep the gutters of harvard sq while wearing signs saying i stole public property"
How do all you outsiders 'know' the exact events of this evening? Furthermore, why do you care? You don't know these boys...You don't know what they are like...You don't even know the circumstances...
So I would suggest not making further comments or judgements of these kids, and leave them alone...it is not your task to assess 'the evidence' that you have...It is the responsibility of the court!
Because there's a perfectly good reason why they'd have a bunch of street signs and be SEEN by the cops as they ripped another one out of the ground...and then I'm sure the cops punched themselves and blamed it on the kids...right after writing down a false name one of the kids gave them for the two that sprinted away when they saw the cops....because they weren't doing anything wrong...
Yeah, these dumbasses are TOTALLY worth defending as if any circumstances would make their actions excusable at all...
Officer Cherubino attempted unlawful search and seizure of the young man's phone, the young man resisted by stopping the cop's hand, then the cop "pushed back" at the kid. THEN the kid hit the cop in the chest. Also according to facebook the young man is Australian, he must be used to cops that are civil and professional-- he has so much to learn here in the states.
Students behaving badly, police officers behaving worse. Oh also the sky is blue today and water is wet.
Officer Cherubino attempted unlawful search and seizure of the young man's phone, the young man resisted by stopping the cop's hand, then the cop "pushed back" at the kid. THEN the kid hit the cop in the chest
Pete Nice will know better than I, but I suspect it's not an unlawful search and seizure. For one, the cop was investigating a crime he's just witnessed first-hand and trying to find a suspect, and it's reasonable to think that maybe the guy calling all three people he'd detained was in fact Dude #4. Second, the info was on the screen, no 'search' required. Third, the phone was under the control of someone detained (and about to be arrested.)
PN might also agree that perhaps the cop should have FIRST arrested the kid, THEN searched the cell phone.
Lastly, and I hope you appreciate my supposed 'history' and 'opinion' of police: an unconstitutional or unlawful order/action is not reason to commit an unlawful act yourself. Cop searches your cell phone unlawfully? That's for your lawyer to address, not for you to address on the spot by pushing the cop away- and then punching him.
Now, on the other side of the coin: I've seen numerous cases of how police officers (usually Boston officers) skew police reports, and we've also seen that they have no problems lying on the stand. A classic example of the former would be the woman who "thrust her baby stroller at a police cruiser which brushed the child" according to the initial report filed by the driving officer, when witnesses saw the police truck hit her in a crosswalk and send the kid flying. Another example, which is a BPD catch-all, is arresting someone for "causing a disturbance". Basically- attract a crowd of bystanders in the course of interacting with the officers (even completely peacefully and politely), and *click click*...
It seems that a lot of wicked local blurbs of police reports don't always have the exact facts of the event, but it doesn't really add up to me the way it is written.
I mean, it seems pretty clear that the two kids that were stopped were involved in a crime and that the police were trying to identify the other two so that the 4 could be summonsed into court instead of the 2 being arrested.
The search would be called a "search incident to arrest". This is where police have probable cause that a crime was committed and are legally able to search someone before that arrest for various reasons.
Most cases like this the suspects are frisked for weapons and whatnot before the police start to talk to them. This is where I think the police may have had the cellphones already and looked at them when they rang?
Either way like Brett said, if the police do something unlawful you can't resist physically unles it is self defense.
The Harvard Marching Band has quite the collection of street signs borrowed from cities all over the northeast. Maybe they were borrowing Cambridge's signs in order to pay the entry fee into the band?
Oh Muffy, who's turn is it to bail out Biff? I think it's time these kids were taught a lesson when they assault a guy doing his job to keep the peace. If one of the signs said STOP, it may have prevented a traffic death. No Porsche for six months and no roofie prescription for three.
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"more proof brains dont grt admitted to harvard they should be required to sweep the gutters of harvard sq while wearing signs saying i stole public property"
WIN.
How do you know?
How do all you outsiders 'know' the exact events of this evening? Furthermore, why do you care?
You don't know these boys...You don't know what they are like...You don't even know the circumstances...
So I would suggest not making further comments or judgements of these kids, and leave them alone...it is not your task to assess 'the evidence' that you have...It is the responsibility of the court!
Yes...
Because there's a perfectly good reason why they'd have a bunch of street signs and be SEEN by the cops as they ripped another one out of the ground...and then I'm sure the cops punched themselves and blamed it on the kids...right after writing down a false name one of the kids gave them for the two that sprinted away when they saw the cops....because they weren't doing anything wrong...
Yeah, these dumbasses are TOTALLY worth defending as if any circumstances would make their actions excusable at all...
if you read the article
Officer Cherubino attempted unlawful search and seizure of the young man's phone, the young man resisted by stopping the cop's hand, then the cop "pushed back" at the kid. THEN the kid hit the cop in the chest. Also according to facebook the young man is Australian, he must be used to cops that are civil and professional-- he has so much to learn here in the states.
Students behaving badly, police officers behaving worse. Oh also the sky is blue today and water is wet.
meh, I don't buy it
Officer Cherubino attempted unlawful search and seizure of the young man's phone, the young man resisted by stopping the cop's hand, then the cop "pushed back" at the kid. THEN the kid hit the cop in the chest
Pete Nice will know better than I, but I suspect it's not an unlawful search and seizure. For one, the cop was investigating a crime he's just witnessed first-hand and trying to find a suspect, and it's reasonable to think that maybe the guy calling all three people he'd detained was in fact Dude #4. Second, the info was on the screen, no 'search' required. Third, the phone was under the control of someone detained (and about to be arrested.)
PN might also agree that perhaps the cop should have FIRST arrested the kid, THEN searched the cell phone.
Lastly, and I hope you appreciate my supposed 'history' and 'opinion' of police: an unconstitutional or unlawful order/action is not reason to commit an unlawful act yourself. Cop searches your cell phone unlawfully? That's for your lawyer to address, not for you to address on the spot by pushing the cop away- and then punching him.
Now, on the other side of the coin: I've seen numerous cases of how police officers (usually Boston officers) skew police reports, and we've also seen that they have no problems lying on the stand. A classic example of the former would be the woman who "thrust her baby stroller at a police cruiser which brushed the child" according to the initial report filed by the driving officer, when witnesses saw the police truck hit her in a crosswalk and send the kid flying. Another example, which is a BPD catch-all, is arresting someone for "causing a disturbance". Basically- attract a crowd of bystanders in the course of interacting with the officers (even completely peacefully and politely), and *click click*...
Yea who knows....
It seems that a lot of wicked local blurbs of police reports don't always have the exact facts of the event, but it doesn't really add up to me the way it is written.
I mean, it seems pretty clear that the two kids that were stopped were involved in a crime and that the police were trying to identify the other two so that the 4 could be summonsed into court instead of the 2 being arrested.
The search would be called a "search incident to arrest". This is where police have probable cause that a crime was committed and are legally able to search someone before that arrest for various reasons.
Most cases like this the suspects are frisked for weapons and whatnot before the police start to talk to them. This is where I think the police may have had the cellphones already and looked at them when they rang?
Either way like Brett said, if the police do something unlawful you can't resist physically unles it is self defense.
Signs for the Harvard Marching Band?
The Harvard Marching Band has quite the collection of street signs borrowed from cities all over the northeast. Maybe they were borrowing Cambridge's signs in order to pay the entry fee into the band?
Oh Muffy, who's turn is it
Oh Muffy, who's turn is it to bail out Biff? I think it's time these kids were taught a lesson when they assault a guy doing his job to keep the peace. If one of the signs said STOP, it may have prevented a traffic death. No Porsche for six months and no roofie prescription for three.