Who do you support today for Mayor of Boston on 11/3?
By Anonymous - 9/29/09 - 3:18 am
Thomas Menino
51% (442 votes)
Michael Flaherty and Sam Yoon
41% (359 votes)
I don't live in Boston
7% (64 votes)
I live in Boston but I won't vote
1% (10 votes)
Total votes: 875

Comments
I don't really support
I don't really support Flaherty so much as I support Yoon and more specifically not-Menino.
unfortunately on this
unfortunately on this "ticket" Yoon doesn't call the shots...a conservative Flaherty does. And trust me, Flaherty doesn't give a WHAT about Yoon's ideas.
These results provide a
These results provide a fascinating quantification of the ways in which the UHub readership differs from the public at large. I have to say, though, that the biggest surprise is that Menino's drawing 29% among Boston voters on the site - I wouldn't have figured he'd garner even that much.
Thought experiment: If UHub site polls ran the city, what would it look like?
My take: Sam Yoon as mayor, bike lanes on every thoroughfare, a functioning and fully-funded MBTA, and near total neglect of most traditional bread and butter issues. Anyone else?
More than bike lanes.
I think more than bike lanes, cyclists would be treated like Brahma bulls in India- they can go anywhere anytime and everyone else must accommodate them. Roads, of course, would be closed to cars. Tony's would be on the cover of Stuff@Night instead of some South End place.
The BFD would still be a highly contentious topic, so somethings would remain the same.
Have you not been involved
Have you not been involved in the epic 100+ comment fights that break out around here whenever anyone mutters the word "bike" , there are plenty of people who visit the site who pay attention to other issues.
How could you forget?
Lower property taxes, fully funded pension account, savings set aside for retiree health care, balanced budget and FUNCTIONAL SCHOOLS for all!
...and PONIES!!
Ponies for all the little girls and boys!
I don't get it.
The ballot will say Flahery, not Flaherty and Yoon nor will Yoon have an official position in the power structure, so it how is this more than window dressing? Maybe a more accurate poll would have been 'Menino/BRA' vs. 'Flaherty/Unions/Yoon'
Unions for Flaherty? Uhhh...
Why assume Flaherty and Yoon get the unions? There are a ton of unions on Menino's side, just like always. Maybe not the firefighters, or police, but he sure does have a lot of the building trades. Hell, his primary night gathering was at the IBEW 103 hall. I'd bet there are a lot more unions on Tommy's side this time, just like every time.
Yup
Menino's endorsements include:
Flaherty's, by contrast, fall into two groups.
The bottom line is that the only people willing to cross Menino are those with whom he's already openly feuding - and, with the exception of the public safety employees, most of those aren't directly at his mercy. Organized labor is solidly in Menino's camp; and a victorious Flaherty would be indebted to unions - cops and firefighters - who have been fiercely battling much-needed reforms.
There are lots of other reasons to support Flaherty/Yoon, but this ain't one of them. Menino's not going to feel particularly indebted to unions for his victory - he'll reasonably conclude that he would have won in any case, and that labor is sufficiently cowed by his entrenched power that he can afford to bruise some feelings without costing himself the next election. Flaherty/Yoon would be far substantially indebted to a small subset of workers, and would have to work hard to curry favor among the mainstream unions to fend off challengers for re-election. In this one respect, it's actually useful to have an incumbent - with an independent power base, it's much easier to challenge organized labor when it's necessary to do so.
Yoon as "city manager"?
That would be the most obvious sort of underslot to put him in.
Quasi City Manager at Best
I don't think that Yoon could be a bonafide City Manager unless Boston changed its form of government. That is a big deal, and I do not think that the city can do that entirely on its own accord.
Um I don't know, a good
Um I don't know, a good politician does not mean he will be a good city manager.
We only elect one mayor -
We only elect one mayor - and if you check the box next to his name, it will be Flaherty. Boston doesn't have a Plan E system; there won't be a real city manager, whatever title Flaherty chooses to grant Yoon. And if they disagree, or have a falling out, Yoon will soon be shown the door while Flaherty continues on.
The real significance of the announcement isn't in terms of the shape of the eventual administration, but as a signal of intent. By saying he's running along with Yoon, Flaherty is symbolically embracing his relatively wonkish approach to city policy, and trying to tell voters that he'd be more than Menino-redux. That a Flaherty administration would be capable of incorporating bright, capable administrators and public servants who don't themselves hail from South Boston. There'd been substantial reason, until now, to doubt that that would be the case, so it's an important signal.
But let's not get too focused on defining the role that Yoon himself would play. It'd be about as significant as the role played by Joe Biden - tasked with assignments concerning which his boss doesn't feel too strongly, and allowed to do as he pleases so long as he never disagrees with the top dog. Yoon wouldn't last long in such a slot. But it's not about Yoon as an individual - it's about Flaherty's general approach to governance.
While Yoon would be at the
While Yoon would be at the Mercy of Flaherty I believe he would also hold significant power as a mayoral candidate in the next election cycle. In short if Flaherty was to drop Yoon then Yoon would turn around and ramp up a campaign against Flaherty in the next election cycle.
He has already tasked Yoon with dismantling the BRA and creating a new planning structure. That would keep Yoon plenty busy as to not stick his nose in places where Flaherty does not want it.
JOKE
This is a JOKE. We are not in a presidential election folks, you can't run on a ticket...there is no election for deputy mayor. Therefore it is impossible for Yoon to run for Deputy Mayor. All it shows is desperation because Flaherty knows Menino is more progressive than he; this is his last ditch attempt to confuse the public and make the election about everything except his (non-existing) capacity to manage and move the city forward.
And Yoon! How can you run a "progressive" campaign and then endorse the CONSERVATIVE candidate Flaherty?
All this proves is that neither Flaherty nor Yoon had any real reason to run except that they don't like Menino. Neither of them have given any play-time to how they can make the city better. And even their campaigns spend more time on how they hate Menino then on what their capabilities are:
When asked about the merger between Yoon and Flaherty Natasha Perez, Flaherty's spokeswoman said “We have all agreed that the target is Menino.” She mentioned nothing about bring ideas together, making the campaign stronger...no, nothing like that, this is all about two toddlers crying that they don't like someone.
Because...
It's been years since we've seen progress from Tom Menino.
Look, Menino is the Brett Favre of Boston politics: he did a lot of good things a long time ago, but now it's past time for him to go away. Getting rid of Menino equals progress, and that's why progressives can get behind Flaherty.
Really.
Yeah. It's been years and years since Menino adopted new biking initiatives, or pushed for Beantown to become Greentown. There has absolutely been no progressive initiatives.
Getting rid of Menino is progress? This ignores the possibility that getting rid of Menino could be a step back.
Flaherty needed to court Yoon to seem progressive. Menino IS progressive.
Menino is Progressive?
(laughing too hard to comment)
Foxed needs to get out of town and the northeast more. Although a tour of Somerville would be an excellent start, followed by a trip to NYC.
do you actually know what
do you actually know what progressive means or are you lost?
jeez, even just a walk over
jeez, even just a walk over into cambridge
really now...
oh you mean Cambridge where policemen arrested a black man for being in his own home, after he showed them proof.
how about nooo...scottie
hmmm...except that Flaherty is conservative. He plans to scale back on social services and cut budgets where we need them the most.
Progress and progressive mean 2 different things.
Progressive is Menino acknowledging race and the racial history of Boston while combating racial inequalities in all areas of city goverment.
NOT-progressive is Flaherty not understanding racism and subscribing to institutionalized racism by making comments along the lines of "you're black, so you're good at basketball"
NOT-progressive is only knowing the white Boston: BC High, Boston College, Southie (excluding Old Colony)
NOT-progressive is Flaherty assuming that all Latinas look like J-lo and therefore publically commenting that Barbara Ferrer and Daphne Griffen (two spanish-speaking Puerto Rico-born department chiefs) can't possibly be Latinas.
Progressive is Boston being the only city in the country with a clear blueprint for combating racial inequities in health.
NOT-progressive is Flaherty wanting to cut public health services and claim that youth violence should be dealt with entirely from the police department rather than understanding that it's a public health and prevention issue rather than a punitive one.
Progressive is Menino refusing to march in a parade that is openly homophobic (the South Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade)
NOT-progressive is both Flaherty and Yoon marching in this parade because they don't know how else in the world they can possibly attract southie voters
Progressive is Menino understanding that city government is here for the people of Boston -- and to provide opportunities for those people.
NOT-progressive is trying to use the position of Mayor of Boston as a political stepping-stone to the Senate.
Progressive is Menino supporting the working-class citizens of Boston, and in turn receiving the endorsements of the majority of local unions
NOT-progressive is encouraging your BFD supporters to swear at and intimidate children while outside the first debate location.
Well done! You'll find that
Well done! You'll find that a lot of folks define progressive in a very self-centric fashion. If it isn't their brand, it is regressive. You will also find that a lot of folks in places like Cambridge and Sommerville know little of what happens on this side of the river, other than the fact that we elect a mayor with a peculiar speech pattern. Do they know anything about what he does? Hard to say based upon some of the comments.
You said that before
But with an unregistered handle. So thanks for registering. Do you have an affiliation with City Hall? (Btw, I agree with you on some of these.)
yes...the site wasn't
yes...the site wasn't showing me as logged in and for some reason took about 3 hours to post the comment (hence why it was twice).
I have no affiliation with City Hall. I'm from Jamaica Plain and went through the BPS my whole pre-college life. I was raised by parents who were community organizers and very true to the ideals of fighting inequity and pushing for social reform. So, I make it my business to stay informed on that.
Approval queue
Posts by unregistered commenters have to be reviewed for spam etc before they show up on UHub -- another good reason to register.
that cambridge?
oh do you mean the Cambridge where police officers arrested an African-American man inside his own home AFTER he had provided proof he was in his own home?
Have to disagree
If you get out of the Northeast more, you'll find Menino is what you'd consider a progressive Democrat: He's got pretty decent records on gay rights, the environment (although take points away for the slow pace of recycling until recently), etc.
He's also been endorsed by
He's also been endorsed by Mass NOW (National Organization for Women), Mass Equality, the MA League of Environmental Voters, as well as several unions, one of which being SEIU 615, the union that organized Justice for Janitors.
Just a few of the well-established progressive agencies and individuals who support Menino.
In contrast, Yoon SAYS he's progressive!
What progressive thing has
What progressive thing has Yoon done in the 4 years as a city councilor?
Wait, what has Sam Yoon done during those years?
Goodnight, Moonbat.
Why should we choose mayors
Why should we choose mayors based on social progression? What kind of argument dismisses the example of Cambridge because of a single police incident? There is far more things to consider if something is a good example or not than just that incident. Not to mention that city government is more than just treatment of minorities and women (though I must admit, I have alot of say about that, but this is not the appropriate place to talk about that).
The mayor job is to lead for the welfare of the city and that is far more than social agendas. How about things like promoting economic growth (and the truest way to raise the quality of life for everyone), infrastructure (bike lanes, MBTA, clean streets), quality services (good standard for schools, good law enforcement).
Did Menino failed on all accounts? No, but he is slow and his friendliness to everyone and being "socially progressive" doesn't make up things like schools or economic growth. It's over-simplifying things, but he could be so much more active and progressive on ALL fronts. Cambridge is a good example because look how much the city pushed in so many fields, look how far ahead their bikes lanes are, look at their economic growth, look as so many things that Boston is just not doing or so far behind. Dismissing Cambridge because they arrest a black professor with so much information colored is a strawman argument. There are much more to consider than one incident. If that's not enough, look at others cities and compare them to us.
I didn't tell you to choose
I didn't tell you to choose your Mayor based on social progression at all -- but that post was a reaction to someone saying Flaherty is progressive and equating the term progress with the political notion of a "progressive."
If you don't care about whether a politician is progressive or pushing for social reform etc. then this post would have been completely irrelevant to you.
Also, Cambridge is actually not a good comparison because 1) it is a significantly smaller city than Boston, 2) it has a dramatically higher earning tax base than Boston. More money, less people means you have a lot more liberty.
Also, did you attend the Boston Public Schools? Because I did, and I got a first class education, I graduated college in 4 years, returned to Boston, and hold a rewarding full-time position. Quite frankly I am sick of people bashing the BPS when they've never even set foot inside of a school.
I also briefly substitute taught for a elementary school in Dorchester -- the teachers were amazing, the principal is second to none, and the students are learning and enjoying all the opportunities afforded to them. There was also a great amount of parent involvement from the community.
I found similar situations when I recently toured the BPS kindergarten programs with my godson -- again, an amazing array of schools from which to choose.
And I'm confused as to your argument regarding economic growth. Boston is one of the cities which has been least affected by the global recession because the Mayor worked diligently to diversify the range of businesses and development projects in the city so that we are not dependent on any one money-earner. Boston has experienced steady economic growth during the Mayor's tenure -- and while you'll probably say, 'I don't like steady, we need more dramatic growth' any econ major can tell you what you don't want are boom and busts. While booms might look good on the excel chart they usually are not accompanied by permanent mechanisms for continued growth and are often joined by risky investment.
Adopted new biking
Adopted new biking initiatives ... by riding his own bike for the cameras and not making it anyone else to use theirs to get to work or school?
What constitutes Greentown? Demolishing an historic theater to make way for a skyscraper? You'd think the Gaiety failure, in which the city broke its own laws for developers and ended up with a vacant lot, would have given Menino pause before he allowed more developers to take the wrecking ball to another iconic institution, but instead we got the Wm. Filene's Sons Memorial Hole.
Rubble isn't green.
in fact, the Mayor rides his
in fact, the Mayor rides his bike every morning and has increased (and continues to increase) bike lanes in the city. He also instituted a bike share program, piloted for city employees -- if you go to any city agency building you'll see bikes available for sign-out to use for job-duties.
If I hear "Beantown to Greentown" one more time
My head will explode. THe man doesn't even understand environmental policy. He just spouts of catch phrases and buzzwords because its finally "the thing to do". He resisted bikin initiatives for how long?
All other surrounding municipalities had bike lanes far before Boston. Our transportation department is a bunch of former CA/T hacks that only know the old car-centric way of doing things.
He enacted zoning legislation that requires all large projects to be LEED certifiable, but that is turning out to be a boondoggle because it is impossible to enforce or verify with the limited resources the city has allocated to the environmental review. Plus there is a battle between the BRA and the environment department over who should be responsibile for enforcing green initiatives such as this. If we had a single reviewing agency of new development, the process could be streamlined and improved. This initiative is more so we can "say" we are green than about truly reducing environmental impact.
How about we allocate some more resources to sewer separation projects? The majority of the city is still served by combined sewers.
What has been done to increase the efficiency of city hall? Sticking a symbolic windmill that powers 10 lights is a joke.
What has been done to increase the efficiency of city vehicles? There are still far too many single-occupancy SUVs and vans driving around when more efficient vehicles could be used.
I could go on and on, but simply calling yourself "greentown" is meaningless. Show us what we are doing that is so revolutionary that other cities are not doing.
We just got bike lanes in my
We just got bike lanes in my neighborhood. That's good enough for me. The earlier comparisons to Cambridge and your comparisons to unnamed cities is pointless. How hard was it for Cambridge to install lanes on the five streets that city has?
Boston is a conservative
Boston is a conservative city. The people don't want to recycle 100% of their waste, don't want to piss in cans that fertilize their gardens, don't want to have a compost heap in the center of town.
Boston is a city with a small carbon footprint and Menino makes it smaller without disrupting our lives.
except...
hmmm...except that Flaherty is conservative. He plans to scale back on social services and cut budgets where we need them the most.
Progress and progressive mean 2 different things.
Progressive is Menino acknowledging race and the racial history of Boston while combating racial inequalities in all areas of city goverment.
NOT-progressive is Flaherty not understanding racism and subscribing to institutionalized racism by making comments along the lines of "you're black, so you're good at basketball"
NOT-progressive is only knowing the white Boston: BC High, Boston College, Southie (excluding Old Colony)
NOT-progressive is Flaherty assuming that all Latinas look like J-lo and therefore publically commenting that Barbara Ferrer and Daphne Griffen (two spanish-speaking Puerto Rico-born department chiefs) can't possibly be Latinas.
Progressive is Boston being the only city in the country with a clear blueprint for combating racial inequities in health.
NOT-progressive is Flaherty wanting to cut public health services and claim that youth violence should be dealt with entirely from the police department rather than understanding that it's a public health and prevention issue rather than a punitive one.
Progressive is Menino refusing to march in a parade that is openly homophobic (the South Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade)
NOT-progressive is both Flaherty and Yoon marching in this parade because they don't know how else in the world they can possibly attract southie voters
Progressive is Menino understanding that city government is here for the people of Boston -- and to provide opportunities for those people.
NOT-progressive is trying to use the position of Mayor of Boston as a political stepping-stone to the Senate.
Progressive is Menino supporting the working-class citizens of Boston, and in turn receiving the endorsements of the majority of local unions
NOT-progressive is encouraging your BFD supporters to swear at and intimidate the children of Menino supporters while outside the first debate location.
The only joke here is TMM
The only joke here is TMM camp's claim that a deputy mayor is illegal. I'm still laughing. All Yoon and Flaherty have done is talk about the changes they want to bring to the city - maybe you missed it because you only watched the debates your boy was in.
the claim was not that a
the claim was not that a deputy mayor is illegal...rather that it is illegal to "run for deputy mayor" because it would not be a position elected by voters, rather an appointment. This means Yoon would have no job security in the Flaherty administration.
It's a tactic to confuse voters. Appointments are appointments and elections are elections.
Boston has had a 'Deputy Mayor' before
Does nobody here remember Jeep Jones, who served under Kevin White?
who was appointed
Jeep Jones was appointed by Kevin White -- he did not RUN for deputy mayor...because you can't RUN for deputy mayor -- it's just NOT on the ballot, we're not in a presidential election, you don't run on a ticket.
Go check the city charter.
Strawman
Yoon has said he'd be appointed as Deputy Mayor, not that he's running for it. But he *is* campaigning on behalf of Flaherty so you'll see him out there drumming up support for their mayoral team as a whole.
Think of it this way, if Menino did the same thing, then the guy he'd be rolling out there as his second-in-command is habitual public record law violator, Michael Kineavy.
Ghost in the machine
Menino's up to 47% as I write this - on UH?! Word must have spread to the Menino camp that their boy was trailing in a poll - get out and vote or you'll lose your jobs!
Paging adamg
Hey, adam - how about a breakdown of the results:
Who do registered UHub users support?
Who do guests to the site support?
Personally, I think that'd be fascinating to see.
I don't live in Boston
I don't live in Boston, so I can't vote. Does anybody know which ACORN office I can contact so that I can get this taken care of?

Try the branch...
...in Tuva.
not an ACORN thread
There is an ACORN thread here.
Getting Tired of Acorns
They are conspiring with CHESTNUTs to make the trails in the Fells impassible, not to mention the havoc they wreak on sidewalks and under bike wheels.
I want to vote for Kevin
I want to vote for Kevin McCrea. Does the poll software support write-in votes?
What if...
If McCrea joins this mega-ticket on the back of Flaherty for a policy position as a mayoral aide, would you vote for Flaherty?
Just curious.