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What shall become of us if we park under this sign?
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Chuh. The PERMIT is in
Chuh. The PERMIT is in Latin. The sign is in English so that people without the benefit of BLS's exalted academic standards can read it.
Parking is at a premium in
Parking is at a premium in the medical area. Seniors used to be able to park in the back of the school (up to mid-90's) but school expansion and lot sharing with HMS and affiliates has cut down the number of spaces.
I know the headmaster, she will have you towed.
It's not the restriction qua threat per se I found interesting
It's the use of "shall" instead of "will."
Yes!
That's funny shit. The sign looks really old and likely hand lettered.
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The use of "shall"
The use of "shall" is correct in this instance. Commands, promises, and statements demanding strong emphasis allow the use of "shall" in 2nd and 3rd person usages.
It shall be noted
Oh, I'd be horrified if BLS got basic grammar wrong, but usually you see "Violators WILL be [towed/eaten/covered in honey and left naked next to an ant hill/etc.)
WABAC
That must be from Mike's days as headmaster. Cornelia would surely have used a skull on a pike as a warning.
I don't know
I'm still trying to get an answer to my question about the signs that say "No (Parking, Trespassing, Whatevering). Police Take Notice."
Does this sign mean that the police have already been notified about the restrictions and will take notice of them, or is the sign asking the police to pay attention to the restrictions?
What I've been told
FWIW, I never saw signs that said that until I moved here.
I've been told that it's TELLING the police to take notice, or rather, allowing them to enforce someone's private sign. It only says this on private property. As I understand it, if I have a sign telling people not to park in my alley or whatever, then disobeying the sign isn't breaking a law in and of itself, but it's considered trespassing (without me having to ask the people to leave each time) since I've posted it. In order to be trespassing, you have to either be doing something clearly sick and wrong, or you have to have been asked to leave. If someone rings my doorbell to sell me something or to ask if I've seen their dog, I can't immediately have them arrested for being on my property. I might also have a sign that indicates that people are welcome to park on my hypothetical private property for only one hour, or only while using my business, or whatever. Those aren't laws, since I don't have a sovereign nation, but they are trespassing once they've overstayed my invitation.
Anyway, I believe that the phrase on the sign indicates that the police are welcome and encouraged to enforce whatever's written on the sign. Without the phrase, I think you have to call the cops yourself, or a beat cop has to ask you whether it's OK that someone is there, or something.
NB: The most bizarre use of this phrase that I ever encountered was when working at a school for kids with severe physical disabilities, and I saw a label on a (very very very expensive, but still...) piece of customized positioning equipment that stayed in a classroom for a child to use during the school day that said "PERSONAL PROPERTY OF [name of kid]. POLICE TAKE NOTICE." Parents were lawyers.
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The answer is already on the Hub.
http://www.universalhub.com/glossary/police_take_n...
Is there anything UH doesn't know?
It doesn't cite a source though
Whoever wrote that entry (Adam? was it you?) thinks pretty much the same thing I do about it, but I'd love to hear an "official" answer.
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I got it from an official source
Natick Lt. Cashman (arrgh, what was his first name?) back in the late 1980s, back when I wrote a column called "The Answer Guys," which existed solely to answer questions like this.
I'm thinking Massachusetts law hasn't changed much in this regard in the intervening years :-).
Richard
His name was Richard Cashman, and he was a heckuva nice guy.
Roxbury?
*My* question is why is it tagged as Roxbury?
Fenway?
Longwood Medical Area is considered Roxbury, but, yes, BLS is a quick way from the Fens. I will never get these neighborhood lines straight :-).
Huh
Longwood Medical Area is officially Roxbury? That seems very odd to me - I don't think of anything north of Huntington Avenue as Roxbury. In my book, LMA is Fenway, or arguably its own entity.
your book
Your book is incorrect. :)
Schooled!
Okay, Adam, you're forgiven for having trouble with the neighborhood lines when even those of us who've lived here for pretty much all of our 50+ year lives can be solidly schooled on the boundaries. I hang my head.
You're not the only one
Fairly regularly, at our synagogue in the Longwood area, someone (often from Cambridge or Somerville or Newton) will ask where we live, we'll tell them Roxbury, and then they'll say something about how we sure travel a long way to attend.
(Our house, in aboslutely-not-disputed-as-Roxbury, near the Roxbury Crossing t-stop, is slightly under a mile from the synagogue.)
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Twitterpated
I posted the basic question (What neighborhood is BLS in?) and so far the consensus there seems to be Fenway, based in part on the Zip code.
I propose a new neighborhood: Fenbury. Because Roxway is just too much of a bad joke (How much do Roxway? Oh, ten pounds, same as in town).
The twitterati knowledgeable about Boston neighborhoods ?!
The twitterati are about the last folk I would poll to reliably arbitrate on the arcana of Boston neighborhood lore.
Certainly one might get reliable information from a tweet or two, but an aggregate judgement from that herd on this topic? I'd take my guidance from elsewhere.
And, while I'm at it: ZIP codes are completely, utterly, and terminally unreliable for ascertaining Boston neighborhood boundaries. ZIP codes are so...new.... And, they are not from around here. How old are they? Not even as old as the '50s.
ZIP Codes
ZIP codes were introduced in 1963 and made mandatory in 1967, but they were based on 2-digit codes introduced in large cities in 1943.
I agree that twitterers are not a group to whom I'd turn for reliable information on this topic.
And strongly encouraged until, hm, mid-'80s?
I definitely remember postmarks in the '80s that said things like ALWAYS USE ZIP CODE TO ENSURE PROPER DELIVERY.
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Roxbury goes all the way to the river
I can't tell you if the sign should be in Latin, but I can say that Roxbury goes all the way to the Muddy River.
So, Wheelock, Emmanuel, Simmons, Boston Latin, the hospitals, Harvard Med School, the Gardner, the Museum of Fine Arts—all of it is Roxbury.
Adam, the tag ought to go back to the way you had it.
Roxbury / Fens
As an alum, I can say Boston Latin School is in Roxbury, as is all of Mission Hill, the LMA, good chunks of Notheastern, and the area south of Mass. Ave. between Northeastern and Boston City Hospital. Also, I don't know if it is still the case, but if you were a real suburban prick and acted out your "I'm at Fenway Park and I'm going a tie one on and fight someone" fantasy the Boston Police were only to kind to haul you to Dudley and endure Roxbury District Court.
That's a pretty good
That's a pretty good description, although City Hospital is to the north of Roxbury. Melnea Cass Blvd is closer to the old border.
The question actually isn't such a simple one. Boston once ended at the south edge of Boston Common, and the Back Bay extendes south from there. Boston gradually filled in the Back Bay south from there, so today's Back Bay land could reasonably considered to be Boston now.
To the south, across Back Bay, Roxbury extended out towards Cambridge through marshlands. Gravelly Point went to about today's Mass. Ave and Boylston st, so anything south of there that got filled in is definitely Roxbury. If you follow Tremont st through today's Mission Hill area, that was all solid land, and everything from there to the Brookline border was Roxbury - including Longwood. This 1849 map of Roxbury shows today's BLS location within Roxbury:
http://www.leventhalmapcenter.org/details_11123/?s...
Roxbury
As a BLS alum, I can say with certainty that BLS is in Roxbury. Our foot all practice field,however, was on the other side of the Muddy River and hence in Fenway.
The Fenway neighborhood is not distinct from, but overlapping
Dear Adam P, much as I respect your Boston Latin cred—though not as much were you to have graduated from Roxbury Latin, but nevermind—I have to point out that the street called The Fenway is on the Roxbury side of the Muddy River. So, crossing the Muddy River to get to your playing fields in the Fenway may have been what students said, but it doesn't quite make sense.
The neighborhood call the Fenway is seated along the banks of the Fens, along the Muddy River. It isn't distinct from Roxbury, but overlaps it on the river's right bank.