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MBTA Showers

By tblade - 7/6/06 - 12:39 pm

Like Andy Bailey, I have witnessed a spontaneous deluge while riding in a Red Line car - easily my most rage inducing T experience. I did not get wet, however; the water was dumped on a wheelchair-bound woman totally dependent on her older, less than mobile companion. As the teenaged passengers laughed, the water drenched the woman several times before she was moved out of the way. I can't imagine how it felt to ride cold, soaked and ashamed from Savin Hill to Ashmont.

I felt immeasurable disgrace that I lived in "progressive" Massachusetts, yet, in an instant, the Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority stripped this person of all dignity with its classic MBTA negligence. I sent an email to the MBTA, but I can't remember what, if any, response I received.

This happened last October, but Andy's post stirred within me rabid anger and irrationality; I wish I could tie Romney and Grabauskas to a wheelchair and make them ride from Alewife to Ashmont under a shower of rusty water to see if they can still sing the T's praises with straight faces.

(On a side note, people like my mom say things like "Why does anyone need a camera in their cell phone?" - This is what sold me on buying a camera phone. It's not the technology; it's how you apply the technology.)

Comments

Savin Hill? This happened

By Ron Newman - 7/6/06 - 2:36 pm

Savin Hill? This happened in a brand-new station?

T Deluge

By tblade - 7/6/06 - 2:39 pm

Sorry for the ambiguity, this happened on a Red Line car...I'l edit my post to make it more clear.

rainy T stations

By Ron Newman - 7/6/06 - 2:41 pm

I've been rained on in Shawmut station, days after the rain stopped above ground. And I've seen rain fall on the Lechmere-bound Green Line platform at Park Street.

More than a leaky roof...

By tblade - 7/6/06 - 2:52 pm

This was water from the train used for god knows what. The incident I witnessed happened exactly as described by Andy in his post:

a piece of the ceiling paneling gave way and approximately a gallon of a mixture of water, rust, and mold poured onto me, my wife, and another female passenger. I am assuming that the water originated in the air conditioning system, since the leak is next to the AC register at rear left corner of the train.

Terminology

By eeka - 7/6/06 - 3:18 pm

I appreciate the disability activism...

But can we use repsectful language in discussing people with disabilities? Can we call her a person using a wheelchair? Also, we might be able to observe that she's pretty dependent on others for mobility, but we don't know that she's "totally dependent" -- she may well have a communication device and be able to make her own decisions with physical assistance.

But you know, I'm actually not sure this story warrants the disability angle. Sure, I'll be the first to tell you that the T's treatment of people with disabilities is horrible. I observe this on an almost-daily basis. But this story sounds like the person who was in the wrong place at the wrong time happened to be a person with a disability rather than the MBTA not knowing how to appropriately provide accomodations and accessible service. I think that pointing out her disability just sensationalizes the story. It possibly sucks more for someone who's an elder or has a disability to be in the situation, since the teens probably aren't going to make fun of someone who'd likely clock them one, but for the most part, this particular story really isn't a disability issue. There was no ADA violation here. Perhaps a public safety violation that would apply to any person having gotten rained on in a car, but the ADA was not violated here.

If you do want to do a project to document ADA violations on the T, I have a lot of suggestions and would be glad to collaborate on this. Not everyone participating would need to have a disability; the ADA can be violated without there being a person with a disability involved. For instance, if any person asks for directions to X platform via elevator and the T employee says "just take the stairs," they're violating the ADA by not providing a very simple accomodation request. Same thing if any person asks to have lift service to board a train or bus or asks to walk through a gate rather than a turnstile or asks the bus to pull closer to the curb and the operator asks them why they need to do that, or says the service is only provided for people with X, or whatnot. Granted I wouldn't encourage people to abuse these accomodations, but some things like asking for directions to the elevator don't tax resources and could be interesting to document.

A cool guide about avoiding ableist language: http://www.apastyle.org/disabilities.html

I don't know that it just

By jodie - 7/6/06 - 4:44 pm

I don't know that it just sesationalizes the story; if it were me, I could easily move and not have water contiune to dump on me. Her diability prevented her from being able to do that. I think it has a legitimate disability angle, though it's not really an ADA violation. I mean if the water dumped on someone with a disability who could just move either on their own or with assistance, it would be definitly just a wrong place wrong time thing, but this seems to go a bit further.

Well, there are two issues at hand

By eeka - 7/6/06 - 5:22 pm

It would depend whether the MBTA were found negligent or just liable. If there were negligence, she'd probably be compensated more than someone who could move out of the way and presumably had better regulation of temperature and ability to shift around so as to avoid chafing and so forth. If not, she'd probably be compensated the same as anyone who'd gotten wet.

If she'd gotten her chair slammed around because stuff fell on her and she wasn't secured with a tiedown because most cars don't have the locations of them labeled, many tiedowns aren't functional, and hardly any T employees know how to use them, then there's an ADA violation and negligence regardless of whether the ceiling was poorly maintained or if a tree branch had fallen through the ceiling or something. In that instance, the T is failing to provide a reasonable accomodation that helps a person using a wheelchair on a normally functioning train OR a malfunctioning one. In the situation described though, there's not an ADA violation, and we don't know if there's negligence until someone sues and there's an investigation into whether it was truly a freak accident or whether the equipment wasn't properly maintained.

Regardless, I think we should make sure we've got our battles clear here. The T sucks on many counts, but if we're going to discuss ADA violations, we should make sure we're aware of what the ADA does and does not entail, and stick to discussing ADA violations, not just instances in which someone with a disability is having a shitty T experience. The issue of stuff falling on people is a separate and very valid issue, but when we start mixing up the issues to try to make a stronger case, this is when the T's lawyers look at the argument and say, "uh, no, this isn't a disability issue because the ADA has nothing to do ceilings falling on people" and figure that they're being approached by activists who don't know the issues.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

Eeka

By tblade - 7/7/06 - 12:52 am

On the one hand, I hate that my original post is so poorly written; on the other hand, I value the knowledge provided above; I hope this discussion can benefit others. I knew that my post was flawed and I knew that my language skills are very weak in discussing this topic. I put your name in the title of my post in the WGC because this is exactly the kind of input a person such as myself needs. I really appriciate the response.

I do want to further the discussion and I do want to clarify certain aspects of my post, but not so late at night. I'll post again Friday morning/afternoon.

It ate my reply

By eeka - 7/7/06 - 9:56 am

Anyway, cool, and feel free to e-mail me or stalk me on my blog or whatever too if you want to share resources.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

T Showers and Persons with a Disability

By tblade - 7/7/06 - 2:39 pm

Thanks again to eeka for the feedback.

My original post was problematic for many reasons. Among those reasons:

* My writing skills lack/lack of diligence of seeking correct terminology
* English is problematic for expressing gender, ethnicity, race, and ability without bias. (Case in point: eeka’s discussion of a Metro article where she points out “’unmarried’ and ‘single’ are not synonyms”)
* I wanted to be brief. Blog composition is not yet taught in college, but when that course becomes available, I am sure the mantra will be “less is more”. I know I skim over long blog/forum posts. I sacrificed accuracy for brevity.

“Can we call her a person using a wheelchair?” – Ceretainly; I was sloppy in my writing. I wanted to convey that the woman was in need of long term, if not permanent use of a wheelchair. In my laziness, I chose “wheelchair bound”. No excuse.

As for “totally dependent” – again, because I wanted to be brief, my writing is ambiguous. I do not know the degree to which this woman depends on others in her daily life. Eeka rightly pointed out that my description should have been more precise.

Perhaps my post is sensational. If it is sensational, I argue the sensationalism originates in my word choice, the style of my writing, etc. I clearly could have presented this information better. However, as an outsider in this situation, I see a huge gap in the hypothetical dignity that I might loose from having water dumped on me once, verses the abject humiliation of the repeated drenchings this woman faced because of her disability. To echo Jodie, if water was dumped on me, I could easily stand up and move out of the way. I could even exit the train at the next station to escape the laughing teenagers. This woman, however, was in a wheelchair that was strapped down with a seat belt. After the first dumping of water, she could not move herself out of the way. Her situation dictated that she suffer the repeated humiliation of being drenched by this disgusting, rusty water until someone else moved her.

I, too, want to differentiate between a person with a disability having a bad T experience vs. a person having a bad T experience because of her or his disability. As eeka and many of us know, our society still requires a change in attitudes towards ability (and gender, ethnicity, race, age, etc) that cannot be legislated. Is there room enough to document examples an incident, while technically not illegal, but still in poor taste, insulting, or demeaning to a person with a disability? (Example, it is not against the law for me to refer to someone as “wheelchair bound” on Universal Hub, but that doesn’t make it right. It was quite constructive for eeka to call me out on my post.)

RE: ADA tag – I know that there wasn’t an ADA violation here. I chose that tag because ADA is instantly recognizable; it focuses the dialog to persons with disabilities. I could not think of any other shorthand that would be useful as a tag. But the more I think about it, I also wonder if using ADA as a catch all tag is analogous to tagging posts dealing with African American issues as “NAACP”? We need a better tag.

Perhaps we could use “MBTA vs PWD” (persons with disabilities), but PWD isn’t in the overall American lexicon. A tag such as “transgressions on the T perpetrated against persons with disabilities” is obviously not practical. How do we sort this information?

I am far from an idealist; I know in my lifetime there will always be a disparity in treatment, access, etc. between those with disabilities and those without disabilities. And water falling from a train car ceiling is inexcusable at any time. But the fact that something so outrageous yet simple to prevent happened to a person secured in her wheelchair really hit a nerve with me. To me, this story underscores our egregious failure to respect and integrate persons with disabilities into the society at large to the degree of which we are capable. The first dumping of water had nothing to do with the woman’s disability; but having to sit in silence while having water repeatedly dumped on her while teenagers laughed loudly and cracked comments, having to ride the train several stops while everyone on the train is aware of what happened yet pretending as if nothing is wrong, and the degree to which this woman was humiliated can definitely be linked to the woman’s disability. I am not comfortable with the idea that this person can have her dignity so easily stripped by a negligent government agency that she depends on due (at least in part) to the fact that she has a disability. She deserved better. We can do a better job is what I am trying to say.

This issue is very complicated. Eeka tacitly raises the point that persons without disabilities often over-sympathize with persons with disabilities or they get the idea that a person with a disability is helpless and they need a non-disabled persons help. I am still re-examining this issue in my own mind; perhaps I did over play the disability issue?

Oh, another thought...

By eeka - 7/7/06 - 3:04 pm

While you can't legislate morality, laws do actually do a good deal of work in shaping people's perceptions. If it were practice that a huge fine and mandatory training workshops were slapped on businesses for every ADA violation (including things like a hotel clerk not knowing where the TTY is and how to hook it up -- things that aren't assholeish or anything but are totally preventable with proper knowledge of the laws and assurance that they're implemented), people would most likely start to have a stronger sense that it's important to society that we respect the rights of people with disabilities. Er, provided this could be implemented in a way that would prevent people from demanding frivolous action, which just causes backlash, resent, and MORE problems. It's tough.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

Great thoughts...

By eeka - 7/7/06 - 2:58 pm

Right, that's exactly it; I don't know her and neither do you. We don't know if it's going to piss her off to no end to feel she's being "pitied" or if she might appreciate the validation that someone understood how much her situation sucked. This is why I think it's important to stick to observations when describing a situation, particularly when we didn't have a chance to interview her and see how the experience really was for her.

The whole thing with using terms like "wheelchair-bound" is that they're, well, either used by someone who's using them without thought and has absorbed them from the media and so forth, or they're chosen by someone who is looking for a pity/sensationalism angle. I'd say that most people tend to be grateful to have the wheelchair and be able to get out and enjoy the world -- not mopey that they're "bound." It's an observation to say that she seemed to have extensive physical disabilities at the time you saw her, but it's a judgment and a huge assumption to imply that she's "unable." I like to always try, when describing a particular person's disability, to find a balance between what they are in fact not able to do and what they are quite able to do. There seems to be this trend in the media where portrayal is either from the "supercrip" angle where "he doesn't let quadriplegia stop him!" (which is insulting to him to not respect the difficulties he surely has) or the angle of "this poor person isn't even able to feed herself" (which is insulting because it doesn't recognize that she's probably gotten to a point of being fine needing physical assistance and is busy enjoying other parts of her life). This is why it's definitely preferable to stick to observations when we can't interview a person.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

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