A Pine Street Inn marathon

John Keith is running in this year's Marathon and is looking for sponsors - with proceeds going to the Pine Street Inn.

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John A. Keith is only sponsoring Pine Street Inn because...

...he wants anyone who's homeless or appears disheveled in any way to stop hanging around neighborhoods and making his real estate prices go down.

He cried and took down the post after a bunch of us called him on it, but surely people remember his post. It was about how Copley Square is not a good area, because there are "homeless people" there. And since we can presume that John A. Keith doesn't go around asking people whether they have a home, he actually was referring to people who present as having mental illness. And clearly an area can't be a good area if people with disabilities choose to spend time there, because they wouldn't of course have the same sort of taste in neighborhoods as everyone else.

Pine Street is a great organization. Donate directly to them instead of helping John A. Keith desperately try to resurrect his street cred.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

Here's the link...

This response strikes me as uncharitable

Why shouldn't John Keith be able to make amends for his mistake? Collecting money for this charity is a good way to do that.

Sure...

But he might want to own up to it. Otherwise, I assume he still hates people with disabilities. He's not putting any money of his own into this, and he's getting attention and a marathon bib out of it.

http://1smootshort.blogspot.com

I could be wrong...

...but I don't think Pine Street Inn has any invitational numbers for Boston this year. (Most of the charity program participants have to rotate every three years).

If that's true, it means this guy has his own number, and doesn't actually need to raise any money for Pine Street in order to run Boston. He's just choosing to. Hard to fault that.

How in the world do you know his intentions?

I don't know you or John Keith, but come on, isn't funding for organizations like the Pine Street Inn hard enough?

Every little penny makes a difference.

If you don't like the fact that he's raising money for them, maybe you should run the marathon yourself and raise your own money for the Pine Street Inn.

Bullies

Seriously!! I swear some of the commenter's here are such bullies. Its a positive thing to run 26 miles in order to raise money for a charity. I didn't realize someone had to bow to the UH Bullies before losing all their toenails for running 26.2 miles.

Unless, the bullying post was reverse psychology. That initial comment criticizing someone for doing charity made me want to donate to John Keith even though I don't know him. That's pretty good stuff if that was the reason for that post.

Pine Street Inn

This is one of the most mean-spirited posts I've ever read. What a slap in the face to John, everyone who is supporting him and the Pine Street Inn. You are one evil b$#tch!

"This is one of the most

"This is one of the most mean-spirited posts I've ever read."

Pot? Meet Kettle.

and because of John K...

I've been a volunteer at PSI for quite some time. His fervent dislike of the homeless struck me as terrible, and in order to make the world a better place rather than be a hater, I decided to reach out to those so ardently opposed by folks such as John who would rather they disappeaer.

Support

In response to this disgusting personal attack, I have made a donation in support of your run John. Good luck to you. God help you eeka.

Yeap

I completely agree. Let's be righteous babes, rather than self-righteous. Charity is demeaning anyway - caring is better.

Is there anything new to add to this discussion?

Beyond he said/she said at this point?

not by me

I think attacking someone who is trying to raise money for charity is extremely rude and counter-productive. He could be a Republican for all I care, he's still doing something worthwhile.

Wow

Wow.

At first read, I was almost sickened by the response this post received.

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing I made a mistake about was backing off my original post, not sticking up for what I said.

I think my post about Copley Square was mostly accurate. Hey, my opinion is my opinion. There is an element of unsafety there caused by groups of people who are either homeless, mentally ill, or both. The skatepunks are a problem, roving gangs of kids who have now started to hang out at the corner of Dartmouth & Boylston are, too. I am a member of the community, and if I see a problem, I'll point it out.

I feel the need to defend myself, although doing so will only allow this conversation to continue, when, in fact, I'd like it to go away.

Having said that, here's what I think.

Eeka, you're a very unpleasant person with many issues. You make opinions based on selective use of the facts; this is not wise, I think it's something you should work on.

To define me by what I do for a living is short-sighted. I am a real estate agent. That's not at odds with my personal beliefs or what I choose to do or not do with charities.

I live on Tremont Street, two blocks from Pine Street Inn. I am surrounded by housing projects and low-income housing. I am a part of a neighborhood that sees, everyday, many groups of people of different levels of income. I am a part of this community.

You are impugning my integrity which hurts me and is insulting.

Pine Street Inn asked me to run, not the other way around. They asked me because of charity work I did for them last year, raising funds (from others) for them and for St Francis House. I chose these two charities on purpose, because I am well aware of the needs of the homeless and recently homeless. I have spent time and money on charities every year, regardless of the job I have. I don't make note of it and don't advertise it. It's not "good for business", because most if not all my clients have no idea what I do (nor do they care!).

Many people have jobs in many different industries and don't contribute to charities. You draw a link between my job and giving to charities. There is no link. I give to charities every year, both money and time. It's because of who I am that I do this.

Things are often more complex than they seem (or than we wish). It's easy to pigeon-hole people. I have an unblemished record of support for those less-fortunate than I am. My deeds are stronger than my words.

For me to raise a simple issue about the safety and aesthetics of Copley Square certainly doesn't warrant an attack of the level (and length) of yours.

Pine Street Inn asked me to raise money for them. They require me to raise $3,000; if I don't raise the $3,000 from others, I will be required to contribute the difference, out of pocket. They already have my American Express card number, actually. Since I'm only at $1,150 and it's already March 21, I assume I'm going to be short and need to pay a substantial amount out of pocket. Seeing as I have not made any money this year from real estate, this is going to cause financial hardship, but I am willing to do so, since my financial situation is less tenuous than a homeless or near-homeless person.

(Pine Street Inn does have bibs this year; they got them donated at the last minute, so, yes, I am running on their behalf.)

I wish I hadn't deleted the post, so we could all dissect it line by line. It wasn't pretty, for sure. Probably because it left a lot open to interpretation (and misinterpretation) and also because I bit off more than I could chew. My analysis of "whether or not Copley Square works" was an attempt to compare it to other city squares, across the US and Europe. Since I'm not an urban planner or sociologist, I drew on personal surveillance and a limited knowledge of urban planning / design to draw conclusions.

It's awesome that one person's blog entry can be used as the basis to know everything about one person, about their soul, etc. It's also a really really poor way to do so.

Some people have a perennial chip on their shoulders, and love the chance to hack at others over and over again, whenever they get the chance. So be it.

If anyone would like to discuss the specific issue we are talking about, please go to my website for my contact information.

I have to say it again, though. I am so offended that someone would say I do something simply for personal gain. It's terrible. It's the worst thing you could say about me. It makes me feel terrible, and angry, now, actually.

i remember that post

The original post was not horrible. It just sounded like he had maybe used "homeless people" as shorthand for some type of offensive behavior he had witnessed. What was pretty horrible was the comment thread in which several people asked for clarification, and he continued to state that the mere presence of people he had deemed to be homeless was a negative thing.

He did specifically state that their presence brought down real estate prices, like Eeka mentioned. He disagreed with people who asserted that public squares were for the use of all community members and remained focused on how people who do not look like he thinks they should detract from the neighborhood.

So tomato tamahto eh?

So it's okay to use "homeless" as a generic for whatever one deams unsavory? That's pretty disgusting.

So let me get this

So let me get this right.

Impugning your character based on a single post is a horrible and evil thing to do, and you're really not like that.

However, impugning eeka's character based on her responses to your posts is totally cool, and impugning the character of a bunch of people you don't even know based on their appearance is A-OK and peachy.

It's awesome that one person's responses to another person's blog entries can be used to know everything about that person, including their supposed "unpleasantness" and "issues".

(I am, of course, exceptionally biased here.)

I looked at your real estate site. I saw this sentence: "I am a graduate of Northeastern University, which borders both the South End and Fenway neighborhoods."

Did you miss a neighborhood, or do you just not care to admit that a particular 50,000+ population neighborhood exists abutting your alma mater?

aw ain't you cute!

isn't self-indignation great? What a hero you are now! Wouldn't it be more charitable to help homeless people exit a rotten system and find homes than to promote your "good name" all over the internet in order to prove what a kind soul you are?

I mean really...those who flaunt it usually ain't got it...or rather aren't doing it for warm fuzzies.

And why tell someone who knows your sordid past that they are unpleasant? The truth hurt that much? Your mask itching?

Well, that part's just not accurate

For the life of me, I can't imagine I would ever say that having homeless people in Copley Square brings down real estate prices. I've never considered that idea to begin with. Plus, it doesn't even make any sense, seeing as Copley Square is in Back Bay.

You are just pulling that idea out of your a**, commenter.

And, if you'll read below, I think I specifically said that public squares can work if all people use them. My question was whether or not Copley Square was "successful", meaning did everyone use it (and my argument was that not everyone did/does).

Also, if I read it accurately, her complaint wasn't that I didn't like homeless people but that many homeless people are also mentally ill, therefore, if you follow the logic, I was saying that I don't like the mentally ill, or, in her words, the disabled. And, that by saying this I was criticizing people who couldn't help themselves.

Again, I think that's what she meant, although I'm not speaking for her.

I don't have a copy of the original post. I tried to find a cached copy of it online but it's not out there.

Here's the closest thing I have to the original post, I found it by using my Google Desktop. I have two versions; I'm not sure which one I actually posted. (I'm guessing version 2, because it's the one where I'm more sarcastic and also the one where I attached the photos I had taken that day.)

VERSION ONE:

A couple weeks ago there was a post on the Universal Hub about Copley Square, and all the “hawkers” “hawking” their “swag” (aka, crap) to unsuspecting passersby.

It made me think about something I’ve often contemplated.

Does Copley Square work as a urban square?

Well, I don’t know. I’m not knowledgeable enough in urban studies, etc., to be able to give an educated opinion.

Not like that’s going to stop me.

I’d say, no, it doesn’t work.

On its surface, it does.

Lots of people go through there, on a daily basis.

It has lots of pretty buildings around it, with plenty of old architecture.

So, that’s good.

But, of course, there are problems.

The square is underutilized. Very few business people spend any time in the square, even during the warm, summer months. Instead, on any one day, you’ll find a group of drug addicts, in one corner, a fair number of homeless and/or mentally ill people lounging on the benches, and a marauding gang of skate punks using the fountain as a playground.

A small band of people gather at the Boston Arts half-price ticket booth, to buy tickets to the theater or to see a concert; they don’t seem to spend anytime hanging out, once they’ve made their purchases, however.

Do business people and tourists avoid Copley Square because they feel unwelcomed, or do they just prefer going elsewhere for lunch, or to meet-up with friends?

I’m not sure, but I do know this: Copley Square can, and should do better.

I blame the buildings that take up three sides of the square. The Trinity Church, while attractive (to some), does not bring a steady flow of traffic into the square. Likewise, the Copley (Fairmont) Hotel is like a wall. In fact, most people enter the hotel from around the corner, on Dartmouth Street. And, the Boston Public Library, on the third side, is another barrier. Similar to the hotel, most people enter the BPL from a different entrance, around the corner on Boylston Street.

Traffic moves pretty well, around the square. There is a bit of congestion in front of the hotel, from cabs dropping off fares and from people exiting MBTA buses. There are fewer lanes of traffic in front of the Public Library, thanks to our Mayor, but I don’t think this has improved things. In fact, the extra space in front of the library serves only to spread out the pedestrian flow, more. Traffic on Boylston Street barely moves, during the morning hours - traffic is bumper-to-bumper, from 8:30 AM - 11:30 AM. During the afternoon, however, things move fairly well, at least up to Clarendon Street.

In some ways, congestion would be better. The way things are now, we just have different groups of people traveling in completely different directions, no one converging on the square, for any period of time.

It’s a shame. But, in fact, a lot of squares I have visited fail to succeed. I don’t think Union Square in San Francisco works. Neither does Trafalgar Square, in London, in my opinion.

VERSION TWO:

A couple weeks ago there was a post on the Universal Hub about Copley Square, and all the “hawkers” “hawking” their “swag” (aka, crap) to unsuspecting passersby.

It made me think more about something I’ve often contemplated.

Does Copley Square work as a urban square?

Well, I don’t know. I’m not knowledgeable enough in urban studies, etc., to be able to give an educated opinion.

Not like that’s going to stop me.

I’d say, no, it doesn’t work.

On its surface, it does.

Lots of people go through there, on a daily basis.

It has lots of pretty buildings around it, with plenty of old architecture.

So, that’s good.

But, of course, there are problems.

It’s underused. People pass through the square, they don’t go into the square.

This has been addressed, over the years, by changing the traffic flow, by changing the pedestrian paths and moving the water fountain, and by adding greenery, etc.

The mayor decided, several years ago, to remove a lane of traffic, in an effort to improve the flow of people and to make the area more friendly to walkers.

I’d say that everyone’s hard work has not paid off.

(People will inevitably compare this to Post Office Square, in the financial district. I’d say that Post Office Square works, somewhat, because it’s used, a lot, during the summer months. It’s nice to look at, too. The only drawback to Post Office Square is that it is isolated from the areas most people use, plus it’s not necessarily a “public” square, being that it’s maintained by a private entity.)

So, what makes me think it doesn’t work?

Well, let’s talk about drug addiction.

If you’ve been through Copley Square, you’ve no doubt been subjected to tens, if not hundreds of drug addicts wandering around.

The area is also popular with homeless people.

And, crazy people.

And, those rotten kids on their skateboards.

A public square can be successful, of course, with this kind of activity. In fact, some squares are probably improved because of it.

Not Copley Square. That’s because, beyond these people, very few others spend any time in the square.

Blocking off another lane of traffic, which the mayor did, only brings more distance between people and the square. It’s like a barrier has been constructed to one side.

I’d also say that, shudder, having huge buildings on three sides does nothing to improve the square - they detract from it.

The Boston Public Library’s main entrance is on Boylston Street, in the newer (ugh) wing. Do people even know they can enter from the old?

The Copley Plaza Fairmont Hotel is on another side - very little activity there, plus, most people (based on the traffic jams) enter through the side entrance, not the front.

The third side has the Trinity Church, which is under-utilized. I know it’s heresy to say, but I am ambivalent about the building. I mean, what’s the point?

There are stores and commercial space in the buildings on the fourth side, and these bring in people, at least.

So, what do people think?

(Could this post be any more rambling?)

Additional pics:

Hi, Zack & Cody!

That old church.

Skate park, in distance.

Are you saying that folks

Are you saying that folks with mental illness don't count as disabled? Because it sure sounds like it.

"Stop being crazy" is not the most effective treatment plan.

Stay on point...

and that point is that for no reason (known to us), the original poster decided to declare this man's intentions without knowing them.

There was no "I think he might be..." or "I think this could be the reason...".

Besides, off the point, if I can't walk from one end of the square to the other without being "aggressively-panhandled" then my ability and desire to "use the square" is limited.

You want to talk about aggressive handling...

First of all, the semantics argument is generally a smokescreen for whatever nonsense someone isn't willing to say. If you truly are worried about semantics, you should have said so initially.

Secondly, I walk through Copley Square all the time - biweekly in fact - and I've lived in the area my entire life. I'm blind and therefore I know a thing or two about man-handling. The worst offenders? The "well meaning" "good people" of the area who consider themselves above the crust. Homeless folks leave me alone and don't even beg for money. Honestly, I'd rather there more homeless folk and less of the grabbers.
I'm not impressed with the degree of discussion here and the lack of critical analysis.

First of all, the semantics

First of all, the semantics argument is generally a smokescreen for whatever nonsense someone isn't willing to say.

Something like, why in the hell are we arguing about what the man that's living in Copley Square should be called - homeless or homeless/disabled or disabled or mentally ill or a rebel or whatever (who knows)? Instead why not try to figure out why the original poster would want to detract from some blogger that she doesn't like who is trying to raise money for that same guy living in Copley Square. THEN maybe we wouldn't have to talk about him at ALL.

Because you don't know that

Because you don't know that the guy in Copley Square lives there. He might well have a home. He might not actually need services; he just presents that way to people who don't know him.

Or he might need services. The point is labeling strangers as homeless/disabled/ill is not helping anyone.

From one of the people from the discussion on your blog

In the post you deleted, several people questioned how you were determining that people were homeless or crazy. I was one of those people. You had nothing to say that was based on observation of anything anyone had actually done. You just kept maintaining that the people you assumed were homeless and crazy were somehow causing harm to the environment there.

Someone (I think I remember who, but I'll let that person jump in if they show up) mentioned studies showing that people with mental illness are much more likely to be victims of crime than to cause crime. Yet you continued to blame the presence of folks with mental illness for whatever you perceived to be wrong with the square.

It is great that you want to give money to the shelter, but I also can see why people are seeing this as hypocritical. And I ask this honestly: do you also spend time with people who use the agency's services? Otherwise, it is really not that noble that you throw money at a cause without any real interest. No one likes to be pitied.

They're only worth it when they bring notoriety, eh?

I find it interesting that he's running for a charitable cause he doesn't seem to believe in. Making rude and dispariging comments about the homeless on the web to rent a home does not a champion for homeless folks make. I would rather he take a class in diversity and cultural respect and class/socio-economic privilege than run a faux-marathon to boost his ratings.

Honestly, what some people won't do to get their name in neons!

Charity

I had several points I was going to make but thanks to Etana's comments that 'charity is demeaning' and Tovah's perspective that making donations is not noble unless you are doing more ('spending time' with the homeless in this case), I realize I'm looking at some extreme beliefs and personalities. You've insulted probably 95% of the people who donate to this charity, myself included.

It's not worth attempting to engage in a higher degree of discussion, because it won't happen with this group.

Donating to charity is not

Donating to charity is not in and of itself a bad thing. Nobody's saying it is.

But it's easy to throw money at a problem and expect it to get fixed. Donating is not noble. I don't think volunteering needs to be seen as noble either; I think it should just be something that's done.

Squeeky, I'm assuming you don't know the people posting on this thread in real life. I do know both eeka and Etana; I know their backgrounds and what they do, and I trust their judgment. My volunteer work right now is limited, but I do volunteer, and I do donate to a few charities.

Mr. Keith's post has inspired me, not to give him money, but to look further into how I can more directly help the population Pine Street and similar organizations serve. It's helped me remember how very fortunate I am to have a roof at all times, and more than enough food, and no major mental illness with which I have to contend. It's helped me appreciate the people in my life who, if I did fall on hard times, would not let me end up on the streets.

Not everybody is lucky like we are. It's time for me to stop being so damn comfortable all the time.

We'll all look forward

to your report back on how you are helping.

I work with a lot of shelters and they mostly need cash. Everybody loves to give them "stuff". And volunteers don't always (but sometimes do) make a good fit.

Also, don't forget that the Pine Street Inn isn't the only shelter in the city serving homeless folks. The ones that don't have the resources to recruit runners and get everyone's panties in a bunch that could really use some help.

I'm sure you will; too bad

I'm sure you will; too bad you're anon.

Last thing from me...

I was responding to comments from a couple of people that minimized John’s charitable endeavor as essentially not good enough (because it was just money, not time) or demeaning. These comments, made to support an unusually vicious purpose, are disheartening to hear by people that choose to support causes in this way. I know that the Pine Street Inn takes a different view of monetary donations. It is their appreciation and the knowledge that one has helped that makes one feel good about donating in this way. That can’t (or shouldn’t) be taken away but to hear that people feel differently is spirit-crushing. I hope John’s family and friends (those that truly do know him) who have supported him and PSI never read the comments here.

I commend you and any others here for your volunteer work. I just see no good reason to derail someone’s effort to support a worthy cause no matter what the reason. I know things can get personal in places like this, but this is not the circumstance for such a battle.

Thank you to everyone who does what they can to make the world a better place.

Good luck in the marathon John.

eeka's family and friends

eeka's family and friends (those that truly know her) read the attacks on her, and I don't think anyone is any the worse for it.

I never said donating money is a bad thing. I said it's the easy thing. I also never said (and this is more directed to the Brave Anon above) that I wouldn't be looking at volunteer opportunities other than the PSI; the PSI is well-known and therefore perhaps in less need of someone's time than other places.

As I said, it's something for me to look into.

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