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Boston residents: Do you want to pay more for car insurance?

Too bad - you're going to, anyway.

The Outraged Liberal, however, says he is tired of subsidizing bad drivers:

... I'm not here to defend the insurance companies -- heaven knows I have no love for an industry that wants your money and until they have to pay a claim and then drops you like a hot potato. I still remember what Allstate did to my parents after an accident for which they were not at fault.

But there is something seriously wrong with a system where those who are careful and play by the rules wind up paying for those who do not. The current system frankly is a disincentive to good drivers -- what happened to merit credits? ...


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As we speak, Geiko is editing its small print to "Not available in New Jersey."

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I'd have no problem if they took away the incentive for bad drivers to keep driving bad, i.e. rates lower then what they would pay if they were not subsidized from good drivers.

But the problem lies in that good drivers are still subsidizing bad drivers due to the way rates are going to be allocated by the insurance co's. The only difference is now instead of good drivers all across the state subsidizing them, it becomes the good drivers in metro areas. As far as I know the biggest percentage of what your rate is the likelihood of getting into an accident computed by the claims rate of your town, city or burrow. That means now we'll be subsidizing them even more, even as their rates skyrocket. So who wins? Who loses?

Undoubtedly the insurance CO's who will make a killing on new rates on bad drivers willing and able to pay. The people in the suburbs and west of the state will no longer subsidies bad drivers at the levels they do now, so good for them. But what about the people who have good records, but live in area where bad drivers cause more accidents? Doesn't this unfairly move the rate in-equality on them? And before you said, "tough luck they live near the city." I ask why is that argument any different the "tough luck, we all live in Massachusetts". This is unfairly going to be hard on good drivers with small incomes around and in the city.

Short term I also see a spike in bad drivers who are driving uninsured because they are unable or unwilling to pay the higher premiums they'll get. I don't feel any pity for them, but what happens when they cause another accident? Stiffer penalties for driving uninsured might be a better idea temporarily.

Now if they revamp how they rate you, basing it almost exclusively on past driving record, and age when you first start driving, and move away from the "your more likely to get into an accident here" crap, then I'm all for this! But they won't, because they're not going to micro manage rates like that.

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"Short term I also see a spike in bad drivers who are driving uninsured because they are unable or unwilling to pay the higher premiums they'll get. I don't feel any pity for them, but what happens when they cause another accident? Stiffer penalties for driving uninsured might be a better idea temporarily."

The above-mentioned quote says it all----in a nutshell.

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Aaron Read explains a subtle, but fatal flaw in the way media outlets are covering the whole "only state to regulate car insurance" thing.

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Whoops, link goes to the original Globe article.

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Fixed!

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Is there anywhere that lists the relative rates for auto insurance in each city and town? I mean, if Boston is the "standard"--let's say an address right at the State House--that could have a rating of 100, and every town or neighborhood would have a rating relative to that, obviously for the same driving record and household type. Just about all of the ratings would be less than 100, of course, downtown Boston being a bad place to own a car. I've never seen those numbers published. But if we could read them, we'd know what the situation is now and how we could expect to see it change.

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Check out this page at the Office of Consumer Affairs and Business Regulation.

http://tinyurl.com/3bm69r

I don't have any idea where the numbers come from or what the scale is, but you can use it to see a relative ranking. Central Boston scores 23. Cambridge, by comparison, is 12. Lexington, 2. And so on.
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Those numbers don't mean anything. They are just indicators so you know which page to turn. The rates don't necessary correspond. They did at one point several years ago.

The rates are all online at www.aib.org but you need to have a good grasp of what is going on.

See just a territory assignment...
http://www.aib.org/PPInfo/PPManual/2007PPManualRat...

Rates...
http://www.aib.org/PPInfo/ppindex2.htm

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How anyone puts up with this socialist insurance system I'll never know.

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It doesn't matter that there is profit to be made off of selling policies, insurance is inherently socialist as it spreads the risk across multiple people by taking relatively level payments from the many. There is some handicapping involved, but it is still a mechanism of redistribution built on insulation from catastrophic risk through mass payment of premiums.

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... that buying insurance is usually voluntary. You weigh the risks and benefits, then act accordingly. In this state, when it comes to automobiles and health care, you don't have that choice.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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Is mandatory in a number of states; the difference here is the state regulation of rates.

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Yes, buying auto insurance is mandatory in other places aside from Mass. I didn't mean to imply that it wasn't. However, the general concept of insurance, from its beginning, included a voluntary component.

Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com

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The current zip-code based system is heavily geared toward screwing towns with a lot of commercial and highway traffic.

People in some of the wealthy towns have lower premiums because their zip codes record fewer accidents. It doesn't mean their drivers are better, it means they don't have shopping plazas and interstates cutting through them! In other words, Winchester pays lower rates than Medford and Woburn, but it isn't because Winchester drivers are better, it is because their drivers have their accidents in neighboring towns that they commute through or shop in.

Why not gear it to the zip codes that bad drivers (or drivers at fault) come FROM rather than where they wreak their havoc? I'm not saying the drivers where I live are good, but they are not substantially better or even different than those in Arlington, where I lived previously and paid less insurance. Zip codes people are from are MUCH better predictors of risk in terms of shopping and commuting patterns than where drivers actually have their accidents, if professional experience with demographic information in general serves me well.

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Yes, the ZIP code thing is pointless. My ZIP has a section of 93 through it, where there are going to be more accidents than in my residential neighborhood. My ZIP also contains sections of town with vacant lots and boarded-up storefronts where people take vehicles for joyrides and whatnot. Also has nothing to do with my neighborhood, where cars don't tend to get stolen or vandalized.

Nevermind that most of the driving I do isn't in my neighborhood, because I use my car only for driving OUT of my neighborhood.

The premiums shouldn't reflect where the at-fault drivers live though, because it shouldn't be my fault if my neighbors got into a lot of accidents. Why not reflect my own behavior? Can I get a discount for owning off-street parking? (They only give it if you have a garage, even though driveway is less likely to get hit/vandalized than on-street.) Can I get a discount for making sure I always have correct tire pressure and good brakes and functioning lights? Can we crack down on reckless driving and put a humungous surcharge on people who commit it? Speeding on a highway or not making a complete stop are mistakes that all honest people make a few times, but I'm fine with people who go swerving around corners in residential neighborhoods having horrendous insurance costs. Operating a vehicle is a privilege, not a right.

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