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China, Pennsylvania causing problems for some Boston bars and liquor stores

When the guy picked out several bottles of vodka and rum at Bradley's Liquors on Boylston Street and gave manager Steven Steinberg his Pennsylvania driver's license, Steinberg compared the photo to the guy's face, saw it looked just like him, then ran the license through a scanner designed to detect fakes. When the machine said the ID was real, Steinberg took his money and let him walk out - right into a pair of Boston detectives, who quickly determined the guy was not, in fact, 21.

Steinberg's lawyer, Stephen Miller, told the Boston Licensing Board this morning Steinberg was the latest student-ghetto victim of Chinese companies that now churn out fake US driver's licenses so realistic they come with embedded microchips able to fool some of the scanners used by local bars and liquor stores to keep kids from getting their hands on booze. For $200 or so, a student with a longing for liquor can get a license that even has his or her picture - no more relying on older sibling's IDs.

Newer scanners can detect made-in-China IDs, but relatively few places have them yet - and they cost $3,500 apiece.

Pennsylvania licenses seem particularly vulnerable, Miller said.

Steinberg told the Boston Licensing Board this morning the kid's ID checked out - the scanner said it was OK. Board Chairwoman Nicole Murati Ferrer said this shows why license holders can't just rely on technology - they have to try to size up the person with an ID by giving him the eye and asking questions. Steinberg said he did that - the difference this time was that the photo wasn't a near match - it was the kid's actual photo. "It was him," he said. "It was his picture, it was his face."

Boston detectives were doing inspections along Boylston in the Fenway following the Dropkick Murphy's concert at Fenway Park that night.

Bradley's attorney, Stephen Miller, said the store has since purchased one of the newer devices and now requires two forms of ID from all customers, not just ones with possibly suspicious IDs.

Last week, Miller's partner, Dennis Quilty, said the same thing happened at Punter's Pub on Huntington Avenue, where he said owner Steve Newman was fooled as well by Chinese fakes. "It's amazing. They're so good with the holograms, it's just unbelievable."

In that case, Newman got off with a warning from the board, which means he will only get in trouble if he gets caught again. Newman also purchased one of the newer scanners.

Ferrer, however, said she is concerned that because of the cost, bars and liquor stores are only buying one device. What happens, she asked, if the machine breaks?

Meanwhile, some license holders continue to get snared by students using the old fashioned method of obtaining a drink - using somebody else's license. Gordon's, at the Packard's Corner Shaw's, got in trouble because of a BU student who used somebody else's license - and who was stopped on Comm. Ave. by a detective who thought she seemed to be hurrying away from the store rather quickly with a 30-pack of Natty Ice. Although Det. William Gallagher said a quick eyeballing of the license convinced him it didn't show the young woman, the store manager said that, aside from the hair style, the woman on the license looked just like the woman he sold the beer to.

Symphony 8 on Westland Avenue, meanwhile, was done in by two women who presented licenses with birthdates 11 months apart, which by itself might not have been enough to prove anything, except they told a detective doing a spot check that they were twins.

The board votes Thursday whether to take any action against Bradley's, Gordon's and Symphony 8.

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Thank goodness this city has the resources (and the strength of will!!) to protect us against the deadly scourge of underage college students buying booze!! I know I'll sleep a little more soundly tonight.

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1) Hey, Ferrer, what again is your experience in verifying ID's in a professional setting? What liquor store did you run? What bars have you worked as a doorman in?

2) Why aren't the kids illegally buying the alcohol going to jail? I don't see the part of the story where the buyers are going to court on charges of uttering and falsifying documents.

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According to the police reports, the kids in question were all also charged, and unlike the license holders, have to answer to the charges in criminal court.

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I don't know, but I'm having a hard time getting a good grasp on exactly what it was she was saying about checking licenses. I'm really thinking these licensing board stories need to include photos.

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We need photos...in fact I'm thinking of getting a fake ID saying I'm eligible for Senior Citizens Discounts in hopes having to appear before the licensing board.

Hey, wait.

Adam....can you explain why you're at EVERY ONE of those meetings ? ;^)

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I'll have you know I was attending the meetings long before Ms. Ferrer was appointed :-).

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.....you certainly aren't going to stop attending now!

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I, for one, would like to see at least one member of the board biting on a supposedly fake license, to see if it's real.
You know, like in the old-time movies.

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when Shoeshine Boy bites the coin after saying "bless you sir" to a customer who pays him.

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I'm confused..I need to see a photo.

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well, i guess this means my extremely casual drinking will have to stop as now my PA license will be regarded as suspicious. =/ fml

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Instantly, this entire problem goes away.

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I came of age in Massachusetts in the 70s when the drinking age was 18 (1972-1978), and I don't recall any outstanding problems associated with it. It was pushed up to 20 (and later 21) in 1979 as a political move by the now forgotten conservative governor Ed King, who was slightly ahead of the conservative zeitgeist that would unfortunately sweep the country the following year with the election of Ronald Reagan as president.

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The federal government demanded it, witholding highway funding. Vermont was the last holdout, and lost the supreme court case where they claimed that the government witholding funds contingent on a set age violated the bill of rights, which gives states the power to regulate alcohol.

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"Live free or die" my ass.

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That MA already gets sufficient highway funding withheld because of the tolls along I90? If that's correct, wonder how much more it be just to blow off the feds.

Personally, I like the idea of a choice: liquor license or driving license at 16.5, full license at 18 while greatly increasing the financial and criminal charges for OUI, especially multiple charges.

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A liquor seller has to buy a $3,000 device to detect fake IDs?

I think that if the patron has an ID that checks out, the idea of asking the premises owner to take time out to go to a licensing hearing is nothing short of insane.

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If they can't outright ban alcohol sales, they are going to start by just making it simply impossible for any business that isn't already huge to sell alcohol.

Neoprohibitionism, pure and simple. Never mind that prohibition was a pretty well documented failure - and that prohibition of many drugs is a pretty well documented failure, too.

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did you coin that word? i've never seen it before.

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Although I probably used it in a high school debate competition before you were born ...

It even has a Wikipedia entry of its very own.

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In the first story, how did the cops figure out the guy wasn't 21?

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However, police can be pretty good at getting somebody to trip up just by asking them lots of questions, and I suspect that's what happened here. It's a technique some bouncers use as well when they have their doubts about somebody's true age.

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Besides asking more questions than a cashier is likely to, they probably just ran the license.

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I'm guessing every cop could easily have one of the $3000 fool-proof card-scanning models that were discussed in the article. I'm sure there was a DHS grant to get BPD a few thousand of them....per officer....and also a tank.

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The "student" may have been a Cadet on a fishing expedition.

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Who was then charged with a crime? Either being a cadet sucks more than I imagined, or it's as intense as The Departed.

Like I said, the detectives ran his license, which PA would have no record of. Makes it simple, and you don't even need a $3500 machine (or at least not that particular $3500 machine).

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How much beer do you have to sell to make up $3500? Remember, that's not $3500 worth of beer. That's $3500 of your profit from selling beer.

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How can they require two? Who the hell carries two around?

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in my experience, a debit card/credit card with your name on it that matches you ID are valid forms of backup.

In this case, it would have been useless, as if the picture was an exact match, the name would have also.

My buddy got one from a website where he submitted a photo and name back in college. Worked everywhere.

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Negative. Shaw's Back Bay requires two forms of photo ID for out of state purchasers. And everyone gets carded, obvious senior citizens. More security theater by ridiculous assholes.

Cripes.

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Exactly, the picture is real, the name is real, the signature is real....

How would showing a student ID help (they dont have age)? What other kind of ID do people carry? I dont know about you, but I sure as hell wont be taking my passport to a bar.

Perhaps the store would be best off accepting Mass and California IDs only (and yes, passports as well)?

Mass because theyre legally protected, even though the I is nothing special, and the $10 extra to make your ID a liquor ID is a full on robbery.

California because they have the most secure ID on the nation.

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I for one am glad to know that quality fakes are still available in this technological age. Just yesterday, I was wondering what 19 year olds did, now that the old stand in front of a mock-up for a picture method is obsolete. A fake ID is a form of civil disobedience protesting an idiotic and corrupt law.

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I wonder how the TSA managed to avoid buying thousands of these $3500 machines for airports....

Didn't the manufacturer figure out that they could hire someone like Chertoff to help them lobby to make them required, or did Rapiscan manage to snap up all the ex-DHS folks who had any clout?

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