Hell, no! Some people in North Brookline want Town Meeting to double fines for creating a public nuisance because those PoS students just can't shut up at 2 in the morning.
Specifically, he said people coming from the Commonwealth Avenue area back into the town seem to be causing the most ruckus.
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What was the name of that town...
By mediaseth
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 12:45pm
...the one that made all the news for trying something like that? How'd that work out for them, again?
oooh ooh I know!
By Sarcastic Sam
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 6:15pm
It was Fucking, Austria wasnt it!
I live
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 12:59pm
between Commonwealth Avenue and the Brookline border. They walk past my building, too. I haven't had more than a passing problem with it. (ie: 10 seconds.)
I don't get why everyone in Brookline chooses to live in a densely populated area, yet is chronically offended by any evidence that they live cheek-by-jowl with other people.
I know why
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:21pm
Because a lot of them practice a religion that tells them that God chose their ancestors above other people. Perhaps they carry that into everyday life. Blind Bible obedience is not the exclusive province of Christians.
Really, Will?
By adamg
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:30pm
Pictured you as a lot of things, but not as an anti-Semite.
I'm not an anti-Semite
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:37pm
I'm anti-arrogant NIMBY prick. I wouldn't post anti-Semitism on a site run by a Jewish guy.
Judaism teaches us many good lessons about how to live well. I feel like the whole "chosen people" aspect, however, is a sentiment best ignored.
If it's a sentiment to be
By Seth
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:58pm
If it's a sentiment to be ignored, why would you mention it?
Hat trick!
By Lecil
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:45pm
Will, not only are you an anti-Semite, you're arrogant and a prick. And no, it's not cute.
Like Meat Loaf said
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:14pm
Two out of three ain't bad.
Whoa
By CraigInDaVille
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:37pm
Will, your postings have certainly been getting more ornery over the past few months, but really? You're going full-on anti-Semitic now?
I'm not allowed to disagree with one teaching of one religion?
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:39pm
Really? That gets me labeled around here? I know this is UH, but yikes.
No need to engage in sophistry
By adamg
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:42pm
What you said, translated into English is:
Brookline Jews hate college students.
That's absolutely what I said
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:44pm
I stand by that sentence. I believe it to be true. Doesn't make me an anti-Semite.
Yeah, it does
By adamg
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:47pm
It's also got to be the most absurd anti-Semitic argument I've heard in awhile, but whatever.
The last word
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:51pm
I love Jewish people. I don't agree with everything that the Jewish religion teaches. Done with further comment on this.
Yeah
By CraigInDaVille
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:53pm
And "I have a lot of Jewish friends, so it's cool if I make these comments" is a great defense.
Sorry, but I'm glad you were called out on this, no matter how you feel about it. Clearly I'm not the only one who was surprised and offended.
So what you're saying is
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:09pm
they should keep their big noses out of other people's business, no?
Just checking...
I not taking sides
By Anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:57pm
Nor am I referring to the above discussion directly. But this site is full of hypersensitive individuals. If anyone makes a statement that is not generally agreed upon on UHub they are bombarded.
Japanese culture values Honor and has taught it citizens for centuries to believe they are a destined race. So if I said "Japanese people think their better than other races" is not anti-Japanese its' ignorance. Yes they have taught this any many may very well believe this, but for me to make a general statement speaking about "All Japanese" people it’s an example or ignorance not racism.
P.S. How come not this much backlash when people where making similar comments a few days ago in regards to St. Patrick’s Day and drunks. That was equally racist by this sites definition. MMMmmmm RACIST!
RACIST!
Trolling for dollars!
By adamg
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:31pm
However, when somebody points out to you why it's anti-Japanese, it's no longer ignorance, it's bigotry.
I suppose one could grant that small favor to Will, but if nothing else, he's a man of deep convictions, and he's convinced himself that Jews hate college students and nothing anybody here says will convince him otherwise, even if we actually took the time to make such arguments, so, yeah, his statement is anti-Semitic.
As for hating all Irish, really, we were pummeling the Irish the other day? And not just people who go to the parade and leave the Downtown Crossing T stop littered with crushed Bud Light cans and vomit on their way to Broadway?
Thats
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:45pm
a great rationalization, you are ONLY making fun of a FEW right! Their are plenty of Jewish kids in College, so yes Will is an idiot! But you above comment is equally as stupid as Will trying to defend his point by saying "I have Jewish friend".
I'm just simply saying people on UHub are very sensitive, especially when it come to Bike Lanes!
Yeah, Jews hate bike lanes, too
By adamg
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:15pm
I have it on good authority.
Not sure where you're coming from, but the old "some of my best friends are [Jewish/black/whatever]" trope is pretty tired at this point.
CTRL + F
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:16pm
Show me where I said "I have Jewish friends." For the record, I do. But I didn't use it as currency here.
Is this your final
By whyaduck
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 5:20pm
last word, Will?
Ecumenical Service
By anon
Fri, 03/22/2013 - 4:53pm
We are going to have an ecumenical service in Allston Brighton, where representatives of all faiths will proclaim their dislike for BU students.
Ha ha ha!
By anon
Wed, 05/08/2013 - 3:36pm
You're not being very smart, Will, plus you're being downright offensive, to boot. You just put your foot in your mouth...big time. Don't try to deny it.
So then
By CraigInDaVille
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:51pm
why limit your comment to just Judaism?
Here's an extension of your logic:
Jews tend to work in the finance world, so they need to get up early, so they don't like college kids being loud.
Making broad generalizations of an entire ethnic, religious, national, etc group, based on your perceptions equals bigotry. Just because you're not saying they should be chased out of town doesn't make it less ugly.
The college was there first
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:00pm
That's the side I'm on here. It's like these people who move into Fenway, then bitch about it being loud at 10:30. Park's been there since 1912, you tool.
The College was there first arguement doesn't work.
By Pete Nice
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:14pm
Boston University founded in 1839
Brookline founded in 1705
Brookline residents currently dealing with noise living there since 1930-2012
Current Boston University students there since 2009
Disorderly Conduct statute law passed in 1774
Laws are laws aren't they?
Laws are tits on a bull
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:19pm
If they're not enforced. I don't see any cops lining St. Paul St. warning people to keep it down.
The College wasn't *there* first
By Ron Newman
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:40pm
BU was founded in 1839, but didn't move to its current location until 1938. Adjoining residential Brookline was well established by then. http://buquad.com/2012/04/30/the-campus-that-could...
Fair enough
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 6:22pm
If you were living in Brookline in 1938, you have a leg to stand on. Otherwise, GFY.
So why bring religion into it?
By CraigInDaVille
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:17pm
If it's not a religious thing for you to agree with the post that went something like "Brookline residents suck for thinking they could get away with suburban tranquility in an urban setting," why did you specifically comment that it's because they are Jewish?
And then wonder why people would be upset?
No, I see
By ijustworkhere
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:26pm
you just didn't show your work, is all.
You went out loud from Brookline to Jewish cultural/religious beliefs without connecting the dots, which we all assume you can with certitude - so, something like: Brookline (which is only a third Jewish, but provably, only Brookline's Jews hate noise) is fussing about loud kids because of a 'chosen people' belief (which the complainers have openly stated, or shown irrefutably by their actions).
But I'm with you, it's like how Italians (who seem to be a majority of the North End residents, though I don't really have the data) complain about obnoxious college kids (because Italians drink a lot of vino, I mean a wicked lot, are you kiddin? get outta here! and pass out early and then get woken up by the noise before they can go to their papish Whore of Babylon church early in the morning and beat their breasts hypocritically). Just gotta make the case, is all. Eager to hear it.
Yes it does.
By Greene
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:09pm
What you said was antisemitic. It doesn't matter that you didn't WANT it to be antisemitic, and it doesn't matter that YOU don't want to BE antisemitic. What you said was completely incontrovertibly antisemitic.
Is that what that means
By Sock_Puppet
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:33pm
I've been wondering what 'the chosen people' meant, but now I know.
Chosen to live in an urban area but not be bothered by drunks late at night, because they're special.
That's got to be it. Six thousand years of complaining about the neighbors, especially pissed off they can't twitch the curtains on Friday night. Explains it all. Thanks for the explanation, Tulip.
Yet more evidence that Boston
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:15pm
Yet more evidence that Boston and immediate environs (to anyone visiting, Brookline is part of Boston) is nothing more than a town pretending to be a city. WTF is the deal with all these urban dwellers stuck with a '50s' suburban mentality? They are rampant in my Roxbury neighborhood and I really, really wish they would just move to the stridently wasteful, dull, quiet, inefficient suburbs where they would obviously much rather prefer to be.
Wow
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:49pm
Aren't you the sophisticated one. I've lived in big cities all my life. I've lived in other parts of the U.S. and continental Europe. Trust me, NIMBYism is rampant everywhere. It's not unique to Boston. You think people here are bad, you should see how NYers piss and moan.
I've got an idea
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:11pm
How about just turning over large sections of Brookline, Brighton/Allston, Cambridge and Somerville to some sort of consortium of area schools for them to operate? They can have their own municipal police force, fire department, town/city hall, etc., You could even turn them into gated communities, to protect the swearing and rude students from being assaulted by our real urban thugs. We can extrapolate to include certain MBTA lines and bus routes.
While I get the satirical
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:49pm
While I get the satirical argument, it would be nice if some of these college kids made an actual effort to behave like human beings sometimes.
They do behave like humans -
By Seth
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:01pm
They do behave like humans - like late-teen/early-20's humans...
Finishing the sentence.
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:25pm
... who were raised to think that other people don't matter as a matter of "self-esteem promotion".
It's funny, I had something
By Seth
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:29pm
It's funny, I had something like that there, but then it kept coming off as whiny - thank you for doing so without sounding that way!
For the record
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:57pm
I know that not all late-teen and early-20-somethings were raised to be narcissistic gits ... but the ones who are assertively assholishly antisocial (such as walking around screaming at 2am) generally were.
Merde!
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 1:58pm
Define curse words.
Do they have to be in English to count? You can say some pretty nasty things in just about any language without using "curse words" per se.
Another winning proposal
By ErnieAdams
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:15pm
From the great mind that brought you passive-aggressive NIMBY food truck opposition and "I was against the new parking meters after I was for them." Stanley Spiegel, what a resume! Can't say his style isn't working, though ... I'd run against him in the next town election if his utopian policies weren't actively pricing me out of his neighborhood. Damn you, Spiegel!
When I first read the
By Jonah Elwin
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:16pm
When I first read the headline, I thought "just more annoying Brookline people", probably the same ones who wanted to town to deal with the coyote on Corey Hill last year.
But then I read the article, and I realized the guy proposing the rule change (Spiegel) is being totally rational. He admits 1) that it will be hard to enforce this and 2) he wants to change it from a misdemeanor to a ticket so you don't get a criminal record. This guy has a grievance, and he's trying to do something about it in a level-headed way, instead of just complaining. I lived in Brookline for 7 years, have had my share of loud college kids walking past at 3 a.m., and it *is* supper annoying. I feel this guy's pain. People pick Brookline for the peace and quiet.
Isn't a noise ordinance sufficient? How about enforcing it?
By Ron Newman
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:17pm
The content of the speech isn't the problem. The loudness, and time of day, is.
Here's what the warrant
By anon
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:14pm
Here's what the warrant actually says (item 14) :
- It adds "disturbs the peace and quiet enjoyment of any residential premises" to the definition of a disorderly person.
- It corrects the spelling of "offensively course utterance" to "offensively coarse utterance".
- It increases the fine from $50 to $100.
- It makes it a noncriminal disposition.
In other words, the swearing part is nothing new. And while swearing is included, most of the law focuses on noise and bothering other people.
Not just cursing, per se...
By eeka
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 4:28pm
An offensively coarse utterance would be something like screaming "go fuck yourself." It wouldn't apply just to saying, "fuck, I can't find my keys." It's less the words chosen and more the level of offense that your typical person would take at what has been said.
Scream This Instead
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 7:37pm
"PROCEED TO AUTOFELLATE UNTIL COMATOSE!"
That wouldn't count?
Well at least we know the fear of rampant mugging has subsided
By issacg
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 2:53pm
Why else would the folks up in that part of town want to dedicate police resources to shushing BU kids? (Better idea - force BU into using its police to do that.) I, for one, am relieved. I guess a couple of arrests really do go a long way toward restoring "normalcy".
On another note, watching the assault and counter-assault involving Will is really something. I am surprised only that the term "Brookstein" has not made an appearance, and that the percentage of the student body at BU that is Jewish has not come up. I think those two things would nicely round out the "discussion" (in a you've-got-to-be-sh$%ing-me kind of way).
At least you can still yell BINGO! in Brookline (for now...)
By noahproblem
Thu, 03/21/2013 - 3:06pm
Unlike in that one Kentucky town...
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