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Cat fight in Jamaica Plain
By adamg on Fri, 10/10/2014 - 7:30am
The Jamaica Plain Gazette reports on a dispute between neighbors on Greenley Place over a colony of feral cats that one couple feeds and provide shelter for but which another neighbor wishes would stop using his property as a litter box.
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Of course they should be cited
and leaving food out overnight should be the last straw. I don't blame Stone for being pissed off.He sctually sounds like a very patient man to me. This has been going on for years.
Unless of course
He turns out to the TNR-obsessed animal-hating gun-nut lunatic who's posted below...I'm assuming not, but...
...whom we have to thank for the disappearance of song birds throughout the world. spay and declaw
Always seem so bizarre to me. With all of the other factors contributing to species loss--pesticides, destruction of habitats--the notion that a bunch of well fed cats are responsible seems outlandish. And jeeze--declawing a cat is a lousy thing to do. Spaying and neutering and managing feral cat colonies on the other hand is common sense.
there are other factors and declawing is an issue...how about a bell?
in terms of bizarre claims: national geographic and US Fish and Wildlife are the ones making them, among others.
not a cat lover or cat hater but pets have become sacred cows in this society(sorry about the mixed image)...
Belling a cat is not a very good thing to do. It seems innocuous, but there have been instances of cats with collars inadvertently hanging themselves when the collar becomes caught on a fence or other obstruction.
As for declawing, it is akin to having your fingernails removed. It is cruel and never a reasonable option.
you have declawed and defanged (defamed) me on this fingernail issue...but cats are still evil.
Actually, it is worse than
Actually, it is worse than finger nails - it is really akin to removing the tip of your finger from the first knuckle up.
I've had good luck with breakaway collars.
Not recommended for lighter cats such as kittens. I've had cats come home without the collars. Which I'm hopeful is a sign it helped them avoid death. Or they got sick of the bell and bit the damn thing off.
I always understood the effect of
declawing on a cat as being akin to a human having their fingers cut off at the first joint back of the fingertip. If you ask me, that's far worse than having your fingernails forcibily removed.
We had to declaw our first cats - they were literally wrecking the place - the choice was lock them in a room all day or give them to a shelter - as downtown dwellers they weren't going outside which may or may not help. It pained us to do it, but we felt there was no other option (we tried everything - aluminum foil, spray bottles, special stinky spray to keep them away - nothing worked).
With our new guy we have lost some battles, but seem to be winning the war so for now he keeps his claws.
You can also now get the claws "tipped" - essentially a plastic coating they put on the claws. Has to be replaced every few weeks and some cats won't tolerate them and pull them off.
Bottom line - for a rescue cat if the choice is long shelter stay or euthanasia, declawing is a far better option - but it should only be a last resort. If you declaw NEVER let your cat outside. They don't know they have no claws and will get in fights with dogs and wild animals . They are defenseless. quite honestly - to Teric's point - no cats should be let outside - they will be fine indoors and they do decimate the songbird populations.
You raise some very good points
However, as you state, declawing should always be a last resort. And yes, you absolutely never never never never ever let a declawed cat outside.
You never "have" to declaw your cats. It just means you didn't provide the right kind of alternative scratching surfaces to keep them away from your furniture. It means you didn't train them to use the correct surfaces instead of the wrong ones. (Use positive reinforcements and rewards, not punishment.) It means you didn't bother to find solutions that didn't involve surgery.
Cats need a few strong, rough, secure scratching surfaces, both vertical and horizontal. A flimsy, carpet-covered scratching post they can knock over is rarely going to do the trick. Cat trees, cheap corrugated cardboard scratchers, and many other options are available. "Soft Paws" are those plastic nail covers you mentioned, and they work wonders, too. If you distract the cat for about 5 to 10 minutes after applying them. the glue sets so they can't chew them off. You can also just trim the cat's claws, a pretty effective solution that takes no time at all, protects your furniture, and doesn't bother the cat. We do it once a week and it takes less than a minute. There is never any reason to declaw a cat unless it has an ingrown claw causing chronic pain.
Those are all lovely theories
They just aren't reality for some people (and some cats). We got the cats in Singapore in 1997 (feral kittens someone abandoned in a paper bag on the main shopping drag) - I don't think there were soft paws anywhere and there wasn't exactly a Petco down the street. And it assumes you don't work 12 hours a day while your cats are tearing the place to shreds. And if you read the on-line commentary on the soft paws, you can let the glue set all you want - some cats will still get them off pronto.
Again - it's a very last resort - we tried for 2 years before giving up - but it's better than the alternatives.
Clip, Not Declaw
I believe you can have the cat's claws clipped rather than removed.
Nothing personal, Stevil, but I've always felt that cats clawing things comes with the ownership. If you aren't willing to put up with it, you're sort of like a person who has a baby and doesn't expect to change diapers.
Of course, you have obviously cared enough to give some cats a home and that's a nice thing for which I seriously salute you. You've tried some alternatives and had some patience. Here's hoping it works out in a good way for you and the cats.
I think what you are referring to is a newer operation where they can clip the tendon that deploys the claws. I know some are still opposed to this as well. I think a much better option (though not 100% sure how effective it is - never looked into it) I believe you have to actively trim the claws. Does sound like a better option - and I'd explore that long before ever declawing a cat again. fortunately, thanks to Petco and the internet, we have better tools and training available to cat owners.
I agree - some level of damage comes with pets - but we went through 2 couches in less than 3 years with these guys. I don't believe ALL cats are trainable anyway. All animals have personalities and our guys - just couldn't figure out what a scratching post was for. they liked the couch - and curtains.
Again - if it comes down to giving up your pet or declawing (or clipping) for me it's an easy choice. Our male in particular was literally unadoptable - he was essentially a lap cat to me and my wife. If anything else moved in our apartment - cat, dog, bug, human, he would literally try to dismember it (a young vet at Angell told us early one morning to come back later when she had help - she refused to treat him alone even with gloves!). And for the record - two weeks after the surgery they were absolutely fine. One lived another 10 years and the other almost 16 years without any complications.
I know that all sorts or legit groups
have made this claim--I'm just saying that it seems crazy to me, for several reasons. Cats don't target specific birds--bluebirds or purple martins. Why have these populations dipped but starlings and sparrows seem just fine? And those are the birds our cats used to occasionally bring in--no passenger pigeons or dodos. And in my experience, cats eat way more rodents than they do birds--if there's really armies of hungry house cats out there laying waste, why no dip in the mus musculus population? Obviously I'm no scientist--the claims just seem very strange to be, even as they're taken at face value by all these groups.
The studies that I have seen have attempted to estimate the killing by cats who are allowed outside, by following specific cats.
They don't usually validate whether these cats are representative or are selected for study due to their known prowess.
The other issue is how the authors tend to extrapolate the behavior of the studied cats to all cats within a country or area. This is an extreme assumption, as a substantial percentage of house cats remain in their houses and never go outside.
Picking apart population studies and evaluating impact estimates is something that I do for a living. I have yet to see one of these studies that meets even basic impact assessment validity criteria.
I also find it odd that there is no counterfactual assumption or other exploration or discussion of the impact of the likely increase in rodent populations (given hunting behaviors) if cats were all kept inside. This is not a minor health issue, and rodents do impact birds (ever see a rat get into a songbird nest?).
If somebody wants to link to a study that does appear to properly account for indoor and outdoor pets and evaluates an appropriate cross-section of hunting behaviors by cats who are allowed outdoors, please do so.
ever hear the song of a starling? ech
maybe cats are aficianados of song or maybe song makes certain birds (and people) sweeter and tastier.....man, I'd be happy to see a herd of cats take down some starlings. Of course we play faves: I side with songbirds (not starlings), a lot of folks like cats (hairballs and all). There is plenty of opinion on both sides of every issue that is unaffected by facts or science. Prefer more science.
Humans brought rats and cats. Rats kill song birds and eat eggs.
Kill the cats, yes. So very foolish. We really want the plague back, eh?
Humans destroying habitat kills fast more birds. Want to save birds? Go kill yourself.
didn't realize cats were saving us all
will drop off food and kitty litter to the little feral felines...
you're right about habitat destruction
sort of a...
Cat in the Hat story
Cats CAUSE Plague
Please explain to the class how an animal, the domesticated cat in this case, which is perfectly capable of carrying and transmitting the plague all on its own could have prevented the plague in Europe.
For just one of the earlier examples of hundreds in the last 3 decades: "Cat-transmitted fatal pneumonic plague in a person who traveled from Colorado to Arizona" (1994 July) ncbi D0T nlm D0T nih D0T gov SLASH pubmed/8059908
Yes, the plague is alive and well today, and BEING SPREAD BY CATS -- all three forms of it; septicemic, bubonic, and pneumonic. Many people have already died from cat-transmitted plague in the USA.
Google for: Oregon man suffering plague; or: Taos cat has plague; or: (hundreds of others).
Totally disproving that oft-spewed LIE cat-lickers love to tell about having more cats in Europe could have prevented the plague. No rats nor fleas even required if you have cats around. Cats themselves carry and transmit the plague all on their own. Now add in the fact that cats attract rodents right to them if the cats infect the rodents with their Toxoplasma gondii parasite ( scitizen D0T com SLASH neuroscience/parasite-hijacks-the-mind-of-its-host_a-23-509 D0T html ), and you'll see a plague the likes of which have never existed before. Especially when you breed super-strains of plague with your overuse and irresponsible use of antibiotics.
If a cat contracts the plague from any flea or other animal, it then spreads it to all other cats in its colony, other animals that come in contact with them, or any humans that come in contact with them. Hence: no fleas nor rats required after the initial infection. The very act of a cat killing a plague carrying rat will actually cause the cat to contract the plague from the rat or its fleas and spread it to those that come in contact with it. There is ZERO advantage to having a cat kill a plague-carrying rodent. And in fact, much disadvantage, the cat then bringing the plague right to everyone's doors.
The plague in Europe was actually spread the most by human to human transmission. The distance and speed with which it spread cannot be accounted for by fleas, rats, nor cats. But they ALL played their parts in transmitting it to humans initially.
This doesn't give ignorant, manipulative, and deceptive cat-lickers any kind of license whatsoever to run around screaming their scare-mongering tactic of, "IF WE DON'T LET CATS ROAM FREE WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE OF THE PLAGUE!" When, IN FACT, the absolute reverse of that could come to pass.
abcd-vets D0T org SLASH Guidelines/Pages/EN-Other-Zoonoses-Feline-Plague D0T aspx
"Recommendations to avoid zoonotic transmission
Cats are considered the most important domestic animal involved in plague transmission to humans, and in endemic areas, outdoor cats may transmit the infection to their owners or to persons caring for sick cats (veterinarians and veterinary nurses)."
Spread some more of your manipulative lies and ignorance. Another person who is more intelligent than you will make you look like the blathering cat-licking fool that you are.
SW Colorado plague
From what I have researched the plague in Colorado is in the deer population, transmitted by mites and ticks. The SW area of Colorado is so unpopulated by people there have been very few cases of human infection.
Considering that Colorado and Arizona share a border the title of the article/posted cited is a little hyperbolic. It wouldn't be very difficult for any disease, common or otherwise, to cross from one state to the next.
Any large collection of animals will have problems with disease and infection and having colonies of neutered or spayed cats keeps the population at a manageable level and will eventually decrease through natural means like age, a cat in a colony will live about 5-7 years compared to a house cat at 12-15 years.
This discussion again?
This discussion again? Maybe it wasn't with you, but I do recall a UHub discussion a while back that show researcher finding cats really do kill a lot of birds. That they do kill enough to have a major impact - pesticides, destruction of habitats, and full bellies does not negate that result they found. That's the result of that research, that remains true regardless of other factors can also do damage.
Edit: Evidently, the previous string of posts had two sides, but not a person writing huge tomes of texts that is hurting any related argument regardless of what's in it the texts.
wasn't me but...
glad someone else has something to say in defense of songbirds.
Please don't declaw
Spay - yes.
Declaw - no.
Please don't declaw any cat. It's simply inhumane - google it and find out why. Declawing is so inhumane, it's illegal in many European countries and elsewhere - for good reason.
I had a cat that had been
neutered and declawed by his original owner. When he would lick and clean his paws, I noticed he would dig in to the paws with a decidely "there's something missing here" expression on his face.
It saddened me everytime I saw the behavior.
spay and keep inside
Not good for the cats or for the songbirds to let them out, especially in a city.
Declawing cats is rarely a good idea. Declawing a cat that goes outside is a horrible idea. Leaves them defenseless.
As a cat fan and a gardener I can see both sides here. I applaud these folks for taking care of these kitties but eight is an awful lot in one spot. Can mine of them be "homed" somewhere? Seems as if they could work with the shelters to get past what happened last time and see what the options are, though I know that there may not be many. Still, I know at least two ferals who have been successfully rehabbed.
Liberation Front cannot stand for a feral cat infestation. I foresee gang warfare between the two.
...I have been chased by turkeys and would advise cats to be very fearful!
When you find out that your elected officials are just really bambi-cartoon-educated cat-licking imbeciles (who take the "word" of deceitful and lying cat-hoarders), those who are in favor of destroying everyone's property and lives, spreading 3dozen+ deadly diseases that cats spread to humans today, killing off all your NATIVE cat-species with feline diseases, and rare marine mammals and inland otters from cats Toxoplasma gondii parasite, and torturing to death all our native wildlife with their vermin invasive species cats; then if you live next-door to a TNR cat-hoarder here's some further help for you to PERMANENTLY solve the problem that these demented and astoundingly disrespectful TNR cat-hoarders cause before they ruin your lives even further -- until the next election.
If you live where its not legal to use firearms (areas zoned as "residential") then check into 700-1200fps air-rifles and round-nosed vermin-pellets. Many of the new ones come with their own sound-suppressor designs built-in, specifically designed for shooting vermin cats in urban areas, the demand is that great. Just remember, shoot-to-kill is a perfectly legal way to rid your homes and lands of these diseased vermin cats (AS-IS THE LEGAL RIGHT OF EVERY LAST LAND-OWNER ON EARTH). Shoot-to-maim is animal cruelty, and rightly so, all hunters know this. Don't let them parade another illegal shoot-to-maim case in the media to exploit yet another suffering cat for donations for themselves. They torture enough cats to death with their TNR programs for that and make $millions by doing so. (Check out Better Business Bureau's findings of "Alley Cat Allies" (All Lies) for one example of how to become a millionaire by torturing stray cats to death by letting them roam free. bbb.org/charity-reviews/national/animal-protection/alley-cat-allies-in-bethesda-md-107/financial They can't become millionaires if they euthanize them first! No, they need dead and suffering cats in all the streets so when they find them dying of TNR "attrition" they can further exploit them for massive donations to their own bank-accounts. It's the new money-making scam! Torture cats to death with TNR and then as they die-off from "attrition" exploit them in the media for even more money! You too can become a deceptive, manipulative, and morally reprehensible $millionaire by following this animal-torturing business-model invented by Becky Robinson!)
Then there's always the "SSS and TDSS Cat Management Programs" that are exploding in popularity worldwide. Shoot, Shovel, & Shut-Up; or Trap, Drown, Shovel, & Shut-Up. Both methods are legal on every square foot of this earth. No local ordinances were violated if it never happened. In fact, most law-enforcement agencies prefer that you use either of those two methods so these cat-lickers don't cause even more problems for your community more than they already have with their disease-infested vermin cats. The only thing worse than having feral cats is drawing feral-cat-lickers (criminally irresponsible cat-hoarders) right to your door. They will do everything possible to destroy your life even further than they already have with their cats if they find out you are even thinking about destroying their vermin for them. There are dozens of their cyber-stalking and cyber-bullying attacks on individuals, businesses, whole towns, and even corporations on a WEEKLY basis. One time so bad that they even drove a loving veterinarian to suicide, and she only tried to save the life of one of their outdoor hoarded TNR cats. ( banvetabuse.blogspot.co.uk/2014_03_01_archive.html ) They will even send death-threats to Congressmen and their families. Google for: Oda Lawmakers Shun Security Threats.
Here too is a good example of what will happen should even one of their TNR cats get ran-over by a car (or dies from any other form of "attrition") near your place of business or your home: facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=747875778604304&set=o.37899252087 And here's what really happened: wtov9.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/alleged-animal-abuse-investigated-weirton-5308.shtml Someone not even associated with this business ran-over one of their free-roaming cats by accident. The fun part of this recent cyber-bullying attack (which, luckily the business-owners had excellent lawyers and were able to get most of their cyber-attack sites shut-down fast in one day), is that the group behind it all and supported by Alley-Cat-Allies (where I found the above facebook link still available) even admitted that those photos were from Europe over two years ago. They just pasted the dead-cat photos around whatever business they want to destroy where any of their TNR cats get ran-over. Isn't TNR GREAT!! LOL
Are you saying we don't have mountain lions around here due to house cats?
"killing off all your NATIVE cat-species"
You sound like you must be really fun to walk away from at parties.
I was wondering
How could this seemingly simple news story have garnered so many responses?
It turns out a crazy bastard found the story and made a spectacle.
You know what'd be great
If we could prove that cats were responsible for installing bike lanes and high-viz tactile strips in curb ramps.
Talk about putting the cat among the pigeons.
Cats are building LUXURY
Cats are building LUXURY CONDOS!!!!!!
Cats also drive Maseratis at high speed, hit grannies in the face with their backpacks on the green line, and set off fireworks in the middle of the night.
Not to mention
taggingapplying graffiti to MBTA trains and stations left and right.
You have no proof that cats are tagging MBTA trains
The stations, on the other hand, well that's just a given fact.
EDIT- change what Roadman changed on this. It's funnier that way.
Will they soil
the free libraries?
Right after they nip over to Southie
and save a few parking spots. It's October after all--there could be snow any minute.
Don't move that
eff'n litter box lady. That's my spot!
My bad. I momentarily forgot
that, when referring to cats, 'tagging' does not mean "applying graffiti". Have changed my original post.
(and yes, it was intended as a joke - in response to the Mazarati comment)
Cat on bike in micro-apartment!
(Best I could find. When cats install tactile pads and bike lanes, they do it stealthily at night.)
cats, bikes, and elected offcials...
is there anything else worth talking about?
I think he wants to shoot cats, or something...?
You're either a sociopathic
You're either a sociopathic serial killer or an epic troll. Probably both.
The Better Business Bureau link led no where and when I went to bbb.org, chose American programs, Charities, and typed in Alley Cat Allies, and nothing came up.
My wife and I did TNR for the City of New York under their Animal Care and Control cat colony program and we paid for everything ourselves, so not sure how any animal adoption program makes millions by asking for a $50 donation when you come to pick up your new pet. These groups rely so much on volunteers and donations to feed and care for their cats, or dogs, let alone the free or low cost vet care needed to be responsible care givers while they are waiting for someone to adopt a pet. Even a feral cat would be in our basement for two to three days before the procedure and two to three days after ( males two days and females three at the least ), plus the gas from trapping, to the procedure and back, then the return to the colony.
Im glad i came across your post, because i recognised one of the photos of the cats. I knew where that photo was from the minute i saw it!
The one with the white cat with the kittens lying around, that is from years ago http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/pictures/kittens-found-abused-dead-mother...
Its amazing how low the feral cat people will go to push forward their agenda and harass others, using photos from something that happened in a different country years ago
Where cats have already
Where cats have already learned to evade all trapping methods, then inexpensive generic acetaminophen (overseas paracetamol) pain-relievers are a more species-specific vermin poison (though also harmful to reptiles) -- a method condoned by even Audubon, Smithsonian, and National Geographic today. Stray cats have been listed as "vermin" since the early 1900's. (I learned this from a cat-licker. Thanks cat-lickers!) This is why it is even legal to use any and all vermin-poisons on them. For an even more species-specific vermin poison check into the toxicity of "Lilium" species of flowers too. Be certain the plant contains the word "Lilium" in the scientific-name (other plants with the word "Lily" in the common-name may be toxic to other species besides cats). Common N. American "Day Lilies" also work, they are the one exception to the rule that the name "Lilium" needs to be in the scientific name. Lilium species of flowers are 100% fatal to cats ONLY, even a bit of pollen on their fur that they lick-off will do. If they even drink a bit of water in which a bunch of Lilium flowers have been kept -- that too is fatal, but totally harmless to all other species of animals (including dogs). Much safer for the environment and all other animals than the rat-poisons and antifreeze that cat-lickers have forced everyone into using on their cats. These plants when harvested and dried for year-round cat-eradication use is even better, as the unknown toxin is concentrated during the drying process (the blossoms and pollen being most toxic), and the dried plants are even more palatable to cats. An excellent mulch for anyone's garden or a ground-up additive for any tins of food left lying around.
However, you really need to dispose of that cat safely and hygienically so that wildlife won't die from the deadly diseases cats spread even after their death. Leaving ANY cat out in nature, alive OR dead, is no better than intentionally poisoning your native wildlife to death. I know this. I fed one of the hundreds of shot-dead cats on my lands to some wildlife under my care, those animals and their offspring that they had while under my care then died from some disease in that cat-meat. Cats truly are complete and total wastes-of-flesh. They can't even be used to feed wildlife safely.
I don't see anyone dumping cats where I live anymore. They don't even adopt more than can be kept under lock & key 24/7/52. When driving through the area I don't see even one cat on anyone's doorsteps anymore. I always keep an eye out to see if there are more free-roaming cats that will have to be shot. And if I'll have to leave fish-oil trails on all the roadsides again, leading right to my IR surveillance system and laser-sighted rifle. (You can read some of the most effective methods I invented to rid my lands of hundreds of these vermin in only two seasons, posted here: americanhunter.org/blogs/arkansas-will-trap-feral-cats The eradication of these disease-infested invasive species vermin was so complete and effective that cats are non-existent from my area for FIVE years now. Not seen nor heard a single one. So much for that deceptive, manipulative, and mythical "vacuum effect" LIE of theirs!)
Leaving ANY of their invasive species cats outside in my area means certain death for their cat, their cat's further existence can be counted in hours. You'd think everyone else could learn from this simple lesson. The quickest way to solve an unwanted animal and irresponsible pet-owner problem is to let everyone know that you will quickly and humanely destroy every last one of their unwanted, uncared-for, or unsupervised animals for them. They either grow up fast or, far more plausible, dump their animals elsewhere to become someone else's problem.
You just can't be an enabler of criminally irresponsible spineless and heartless idiots -- or they remain that way. (At least where you live, anyway.)
IF THERE ARE NOT DIRECT AND IMMEDIATE IRREVERSIBLE CONSEQUENCES TO PET-OWNERS' CRIMINALLY-NEGLIGENT AND CRIMINALLY-IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIORS AND VALUES THEN THEY LEARN ABSOLUTELY *NOTHING*.
You Are A Criminal
You condone placing acetaminophen out as a cat pesticide? By extension, this means you condone poisoning all cats since it is not only feral cats who will get to your poison. Thus, by extension, you will be liable for criminal prosecution under cruelty to animal provisions and I, for one, hope it happens sooner rather than later.
Replacement Cat Cost: 1-cent, if even that.
The cat-owner/care-taker can be sued, fined, and convicted of many $thousands in damages to property and health of others. The cat-owner/care-taker can only sue for the replacement cost of their dead vermin piece-of-sh** cat. Guess why nobody pursues suing someone who killed their cat? The cat-owner could lose their home and livelihood.
You MUST destroy ALL stray collared cats as well, they are the very source of every last feral cat. Just as I solved the problem on my lands, shooting ANY cat that stepped one paw on my lands. If you don't destroy the collared cats too then you have done NOTHING to solve the feral cat problem. Guaranteed. All the cat-lickers by me told me for over a decade that all their "pet" cats were sterilized. But upon inspection during shooting and burying hundreds of them, NOT ONE of their cats was sterilized. Cat-owners are manipulative and deceptive LIARS -- one and all.
OK, you don't like cats
I think you've made your point clear. No more long rants, please.
Let's think happy thoughts
The Feral Cats in the Happiest Place on Earth
Another TL/DR version
Here, he's talking about poisoning them, I think.
Be sure you test those cats
Be sure you test those cats for ALL of the following diseases, or I hope the recipient of one of them that is adopted-out or someone coming in contact with their disease-infested cats sues your city and politicians and every last TNR practitioner so bad that they never recover from it for the rest of their criminally negligent and criminally irresponsible sorry-excuses for lives. (For just one example of THOUSANDS, not long ago businesses in Miami were ruined by caretakers of feral-cats spreading hookworm in all the beaches. Lawsuits aplenty!)
These are just the diseases these invasive species vermin cats have been spreading to humans, not counting the ones they spread to all wildlife. THERE ARE NO VACCINES against many of these, and are in-fact listed as bio-terrorism agents. They include: Afipia felis, Anthrax, Bartonella (Rochalimaea) henselae, Bergeyella (Weeksella) zoohelcum, Campylobacter Infection, Cat Scratch Disease, Chlamydia psittaci (feline strain), Cowpox, Coxiella burnetti Infection (Q fever), Cryptosporidium Infection, Cutaneous larva migrans, Dermatophytosis, Dipylidium Infection (tapeworm), Hookworm Infection, Leptospira Infection, Giardia, Neisseria canis, Pasteurella multocida, Plague, Poxvirus, Rabies, Rickettsia felis, Ringworm, Salmonella Infection, Scabies, Sporothrix schenckii, Toxocara Infection, Toxoplasmosis, Trichinosis, Visceral larva migrans, Yersinia pseudotuberculosis. [Centers for Disease Control, July 2010] Bird-flu, Bovine Tuberculosis, Sarcosporidiosis, Flea-borne Typhus, Tularemia, and Rat-Bite Fever can now also be added to that list.
Yes, "The Black Death" (the plague) is alive and well today and being spread by people's cats this time around. Many people have already died from cat-transmitted plague in the USA; all three forms of it transmitted by CATS -- septicemic, bubonic, and pneumonic. For a fun read, one of hundreds of cases, Cat-Transmitted Fatal Pneumonic Plague -- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8059908
"Recommendations to avoid zoonotic transmission
Cats are considered the most important domestic animal involved in plague transmission to humans, and in endemic areas, outdoor cats may transmit the infection to their owners or to persons caring for sick cats (veterinarians and veterinary nurses)."
You did know too, didn't you, that giving a rabies shot to a cat that already has rabies does not cure it of rabies? Google for: RABID KITTEN ADOPTED WAKE COUNTY (for just one example of hundreds of rabid cats adopted from outdoors, given their rabies shot, but still transmitting and then dying from rabies). The incubation period for rabies is, on average, from 21 to 240 days, sometimes up to 11 months, one rare case being 6 years. A vetted cat can STILL transmit rabies many months later (during the last 2 weeks before it dies of rabies, sometimes not even showing any symptoms up to the point of its death) if it was harvested from unknown rabies-exposure conditions with an unknown vaccination history. May one of those cats you adopt-out have rabies too. Is your liability insurance in excess of $10M? Either quarantine them for 6 or more months in a government-supervised double-walled enclosure system at your OWN expense (as required by national and international law), or euthanize them. Those are your only 2 options to be relatively certain you are not handing rabies to someone. Isn't reality fun?
Google for: RABIES PROMPTS CARLSBAD TNR CAT PROGRAM SUSPENSION
Rabies outbreak caused by TNR! 50+ pets euthanized. ALL stray cats destroyed. All livestock destroyed. More than a dozen homeowners pay for their own $5,000-$8,000 rabies shots for EACH family member.
Google for: Rabies Outbreak in Westchester County
Google for: Rabid Kitten Jamestown Exposure
There's hundreds more like those on the net showing everyone how these phenomenally ignorant and foolish cat-lickers "help" their communities by allowing TNR CAT-HOARDERS to continue their criminally negligent behavior. And contrary to these cat-lickers' perpetual LIES, feeding stray cats TRAINS them to approach humans for food. What do you think happens to the child or foolish adult that reaches down to try to pet or pick up that now seemingly friendly "cute kitty" that just approached them? The wild animal lashes out and bites or scratches the hand that has no food for them. Resulting in $5,000-$8,000 rabies shots for each victim of a cat-feeder's criminally negligent behavior, paid for out of the victim's OWN pockets. Two reports even document rabid cats entering a pet-door and one even came through the family's ceiling in search of human supplied foods, the attack so bad that the whole family required hospitalization. Thanks to TNR practices and free-roaming cats you are now FOUR TIMES MORE LIKELY to contract rabies from any cat than ANY OTHER domesticated animal.
This is why even the CDC has issued direct warnings against the use of these failed TNR programs anywhere and everywhere: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/zph.12070/abstract
Here he's suggesting experimenting with them. I didn't read enough to know if he meant scientifically, or sexually... sorry.
Thanks for the summaries, by the way. I went to skip over the first one, only to get to the second, and the third, and the fourth, (and the fifth?)
Then there's cats' most insidious disease of all, their Toxoplasma gondii parasite that cats spread through their feces into all other animals. This is how humans get it in their dinner-meats, cats roaming around stockyards and farms (herbivores can contract this parasite in no other way). This is why cats are routinely destroyed around gestating livestock or important wildlife by shooting or drowning them. So those animals won't suffer from the same things that can happen to the unborn fetus of any pregnant woman. (Miscarriages, still-births, hydrocephaly, and microcephaly.) It can make you blind or even kill you at any time during your life once you've been infected. It becomes a permanent lifetime parasite in your mind, killing you when your immune system becomes compromised by disease or chemo and immunosuppressive therapies. It can last over a year in any soils or waters and not even washing your hands or garden vegetables in bleach will destroy the oocysts. Contrary to cat-lickers' self-deceptive myths, a cat can become reinfected many times during its life and spread millions of oocysts each time. It's now linked to the cause of autism, epilepsy, schizophrenia, memory-loss, and brain cancers; as well as increasing the suicide rate in women almost 2-fold even though they've never suffered from any mental or emotional health issues previously. This parasite is also killing off rare and endangered marine-mammals along all coastlines and inland river-otters from cats' T. gondii oocysts in run-off from the land, the oocysts surviving even in saltwater. A catastrophic ecological disaster of multi-continent-sized proportions worse than any oil-spill that has ever existed or could even be imagined.
Its strange life cycle is meant to infect rodents. Any rodents infected with it lose their fear of cats and are attracted to cat urine. http://scitizen.com/neuroscience/parasite-hijacks-the-mind-of-its-host_a...
Cats attract rodents to your home with their whole slew of diseases (like The Plague from rats and fleas, many people have died from cat-transmitted Plague in the USA already, it is alive and well and being spread by cats today). If you want rodents in your home keep cats outside of it to attract diseased rodents to your area. I experienced this phenomenon (as have many others), and all rodent problems disappeared after I shot and buried every last one of hundreds of cats on my lands. Much better NATIVE rodent predators returned to my lands, rather than these man-made cats that were just attracting more rodents.
Another interesting experiment. They wanted to find out if dogs could possibly transmit cat-shat Toxoplasma gondii oocysts. A dog infected with T. gondii from a source-cat cannot. The oocyst stage of this parasite's life-cycle is 100% dependent on cat-physiology as its primary reproductive host. But if dogs ingest oocyst-laden cat-feces then dogs can pass the oocysts produced by cats & their common brain-hijacking parasite. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9477489?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f...
It is interesting to note that these Toxoplasma gondii oocysts shed by cats can even survive the hydrochloric stomach acids for the duration that they remain in a mammal's digestive tract. And then they doubt my words when I tell them of the studies where they found that this parasite's oocysts (seeds) can even survive washing your hands in bleach. You could wash your hands and garden vegetables in hydrochloric acid and digestive enzymes for the same duration that food remains in an animal's digestive tract and even that won't destroy it. Your hands would be dissolved into a digestible pulp long before you could kill the Toxoplasma gondii oocysts.
Yeah, "basic hygiene" is going to keep your kids safe from going blind sometime during their life, becoming autistic, or die if they ever require any immunosuppressive therapies during their lifetime if they had ever played in a sandbox that a neighbor's cat has defecated in.
Go ahead everyone, drink the cat-lickers' Kool-Ade.
Someone who will save the life of a cat over yours is not to be trusted by any other human alive on this planet. Even cat-lickers can't trust their fellow cat-lickers to save each others' lives when it comes right down to it. Truth is, they'd even rather that their own family and friends die (if they have any) than any of their deadly disease-infested cats. Sociopaths and psychopaths, one and all, right to their very cores.
Finally, I've found the answer to all my medical problems!
I had an indoor rescue cat who went blind all of a sudden. He had toxoplasmosis. We blasted the holy living bejeez out of him with antibiotics and he got his sight back.
However, I should tell everyone I know that the root cause of all of their medical issues is that darned cat.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
Come to think of it...
How do we know a bunch of really heavy cats didn't wreck that bridge to Long Island by walking across it in the dark of the night? I think we have to assume they are at fault.
You're on your own, here.
You're on your own, here.
The TNR CON-GAME
FACT: Trap & Kill failed because cats cannot be trapped faster than they exponentially breed out of control.
FACT: Trap, Neuter, & Re-Abandon (TNR) is an even bigger abject failure because these man-made ecological disasters cannot be trapped faster than they exponentially breed out of control, and they also continue to cruelly annihilate all native wildlife (from the smallest of prey up to the top predators that are starved to death), and the cats continue to spread many deadly diseases that they carry today — FOR WHICH THERE ARE NO VACCINES AGAINST THEM. Many of which are even listed as bio-terrorism agents. (Such as Tularemia and The Plague — Yes, people have already died from cat-transmitted plague in the USA. No fleas nor rats even required. The cats themselves carry and transmit the plague all on their own.)
FACT: Hunted To Extinction (or in this case, extirpation of all outdoor cats) is the ONLY method that is faster than a species like cats can exponentially out-breed and out-adapt to. Especially a man-made invasive species like these cats that can breed 2X-4X's faster than any naturally occurring cat-species.
FACT: THERE IS ABSOLUTELY _NOTHING_ HUMANE ABOUT TNR. Nearly every last TNR'ed cat dies an inhumane death by road-kill, from cat and animal attacks, environmental poisons, starvation, dehydration, freezing to death, infections, eaten from the inside-out by parasites, etc. And if very very lucky humanely shot to death or re-trapped and drowned (the two most common methods employed on all farms and ranches to protect their gestating livestock's offspring and valuable native wildlife dying from cats' Toxoplasmosis parasites). This doesn't begin to count the thousands of defenseless native animals that cats skin alive and disembowel alive for their daily and hourly play-toys. And pitting cat against cat to fight-to-the-death for territory is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENT than those who run criminal dog-fight rings to see who wins. They spend YEARS in jail. IT IS A HIGHLY PUNISHABLE CRIME TO FORCE *ANY* DOMESTICATED ANIMALS TO FIGHT EACH OTHER FOR THEIR VERY SURVIVAL.
FACT: The only difference in destroying cats immediately and humanely instead of trapping, sterilizing, then releasing them to an inhumane death and forcing them to fight-to-the-death for survival; is that money isn't going into Becky Robinson's Alley-Cat-All-Lies pocket, or an HSUS or SPCA board-member's pocket, veterinarian's pocket, cat-food company CEO's pocket, or a drug-company CEO's pocket. And that's the ONLY difference! Support yet another organization that exploits and perpetuates the suffering of animals for their own personal financial gain, then try to sleep well at night.
FACT: These manipulative, deceptive, and deceitful TNR proponents are now clipping cats ears ONLY. WITHOUT vaccinations nor sterilizing them. They do this to save money and protect their outdoor hoarded cat colonies from being trapped and euthanized by the state because the clipped-ear shows officials that they have been sterilized and vaccinated. Why pay $140 for each cat and all that time when just a trap and a simple snip of scissors on each one can also protect their hoarded cats from being destroyed? (I have absolute proof of this.)
FACT: Cats are a man-made (through selective breeding) invasive species. And as such, are no less of a man-made environmental disaster than any other caused by man. Cats are even worse than an oil-spill of continent-sized proportions. They not only kill off rare and endangered marine-mammals along all coastlines from run-off carrying cats' Toxoplasma gondii parasites, they destroy the complete food-chain in every ecosystem where cats are found. From smallest of prey gutted and skinned alive for cats' tortured play-toys, up to the top predators that are starved to death from cats destroying their ONLY food sources. (Precisely what cats caused on my own lands not long ago.)
FACT: In _SIXTEEN_YEARS_ Alley Cat ALL-LIES branch of NYC have only reduced feral cats in their own city by 0.08% to 0.024% (as the months go on that percentage becomes more insignificant), allowing more than 99.92% to 99.976% to exponentially breed out of control. Here's how Alley-Cat-ALL-LIES' deceptive math works: If you TNR 4 cats and 3 get flattened by cars this translates to 75% fewer feral-cats everywhere. Alley Cat ALL-LIES of NYC can't even reduce cats in their own city, yet they promote it as a worldwide solution. Then even bigger fools fall for it and promote it.
FACT: When researching over 100 of the most "successful" TNR programs worldwide, JUST ONE trapped more than 0.4%. Oregon's 50,000 TNR'ed cats (the highest rate I found) is 4.9% of all ferals in their state. Yet, by applying population growth calculus on the unsterilized 95.1% they will have trapped only 0.35% of all cats in their state sometime this year. Less than 0.4% is a far cry from the required 75%-85% to be the least bit effective.
FACT: Their mythical "vacuum effect" is a 100% LIE. A study done by the Texas A&M University proved that any perceived "vacuum" is just the simple case that CATS ATTRACT CATS. Get rid of them all and there are no cats there to attract more. I proved this myself by shooting and burying hundreds of them on my own lands. ZERO cats replaced them FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. If you want more cats, keep even one of them around, more will find you. That university study also found that sterilized cats very poorly defend any territory. Non-sterilized cats, being more aggressive, take over the sterilized cats' resources (shelter & food if any). If there is any kind of "vacuum effect" at all, it is that sterilizing cats cause non-sterilized cats to restore the reproductive void.
FACT: During all this investigation I have discovered something that is unfaltering without fail. Something that you can bet your very life on and win every last time. That being — IF A TNR CAT-HOARDER IS TALKING THEN THEY ARE LYING. 100% guaranteed!
The neighbors can just work this out amongst themselves.
Sorry, dude, but we don't cotton to extensive tomes on this website.
We got plenty of home-grown crazy right here. And we manage to express ourselves in a sentence or two.
Here's the thing that jumps out
How long did the guy spend typing this up. His wrists must be sore by now.
Cut and paste?
No time to check this out. ;-}
Found 41 results for his comments including:
www.onegreenplanet.org › Earth Monster
Notice something else?
The exact same set of comments are copied and pasted each time in comments, just like they have been here. Wow.
Check out this link, where the mod gives him the Epic Troll (with sockpuppets) smackdown with tremendous grace! http://amyshojai.com/cat-attack-tnr-tb-toxo-talkback/
His dog partner helped type it up for him
maybe his dog partner was dictating it to him
could it be that Son of Sam was telling the truth?
check the tme on the posts
they're all within minutes of each other - I'm thinking he has this crap on his blog and knows how to cut and paste. If only he had spell check (it's Kool AID jackass)
You're like the Dr. Bronner of cat haters. ALL-LIES-NO-CATS!!!
You have killed...
how many cats? Are you serious?
Explains a lot, actually
He probably went onto a neighbor's land to murder cats, and received a debilitating head injury.
They want their crazy back.
Dunno, when I was living on
Dunno, when I was living on Roosevelt Island in NYC, I never saw a rat. Large feral cat population though - go figure that.
Just pure crazy
The studies the Bird Conservancy and National Geographic did about cats killing birds were seriously flawed and biased.
So we can stop bothering with that piece of junk now.
Move that drone killer of a hawk to JP
Feral cat problem solved.
We've got plenty!
Lots of big hawks around here but I think their weight limit is 8-9 lbs max. I don't think I've ever heard of one getting a cat.
If a hawk can take out a rabbit...
..it can definitely take a cat.
Maybe a little cat but...
All of our cats have been easily ten pounds plus and most ferals are pretty husky.
what makes em fat?
it's that craft beer in JP...
How you treat animals is how you treat people.
For about ten years my wife did cat rescue, first in our backyards then on to our neighborhood and eventually the whole city, and the above statement always proved to be true. We met many different people who were feeding cats and all had huge hearts and empathy, our staunchest cat lovers were warehouse workers and fleet truck drivers. My wife would trapped 500 cats a year for 5 years so this belief is not something I want to be true but proven again and again.
The tried and true method is Trap Neuter Release (TNR) and have covered feeding stations that are tended by a primary caretaker. The City of New York supported this as a program because the alternative is poison stations after rats and mice have infested an area, costing tax money and vet bills for poisoned pets, and after Animal Care and Control has gone through the process of capture, evaluation, care for several weeks for adoptable pets, and euthanasia for sick for unadoptable pets; unnecessary costs to the tax payer.
The problem of cat poo? It's as easy as having the feeder provide a litter box, cats prefer the type of material used as cat litter to dirt, harder to cover. It sounds naive but it has worked for us many times and is a small cost to solve the bigger problem of keeping the peace with the neighbors.
Raccoons and opossums? Put the feeding station on a single post platform,or a platform with a 18-20 inch overhang, set at 42 inches high. Raccoons cannot reach higher than about 39 inches and cannot jump, but are highly intelligent and the station needs to be free standing with no over hanging trees or structures they can climb; they can't jump but they will drop down like a ninja. Possums are kind of dumb so if you beat the raccoons you have no worries with possums.
People who get loud and aggressive about killing cats just want to kill something and use the minor problems with cat colonies as an avenue to satisfy themselves. A better way to head off the cats being out in the wild is to only get pets from adoption centers like Animal Care and Control, the ASPCA, Humane Society, or big box pet stores allow adoption groups to set up an area or have adoptions days (Cabela's does it also). The shelters are stuffed with pedigreed cats and dogs bought by someone who didn't realize the effort needed to provide a stable home and abandon the pet to a shakey fate.
Merrimack Valley Feline Rescue Society
Once upon a time, there was a feral cat problem in Newburyport.
Once a TNR program was initiated, the cat population stabilized. Instead of kitten factories occupying the cat niche, there were now infertile adults holding down territories on a longer term basis. Volunteers watched for incoming cats, trapped them, neutered them, and re released them.
Volunteers also made sure that any kittens were collected, socialized, and homed, as were any "feral frauds" who were people friendly enough to adopt out.
The result: there is no more feral colony in Newburyport. Any strays show up and they are taken into the system that remains after the last of the TNR colony cats died in 2009. Resources are now put into the adoption center and the Catmobile program, which offers low cost spay and neuter services in Central and Eastern MA and southern NH.
Previous attempts to trap and kill cats failed, because kittens were not prevented and new cats moved into the vacant territory. TNR succeeded and is still succeeding because of active surveillance and kitten prevention.
My "feral fraud" is currently staying by my son's side as he recuperates from oral surgery. She is deeply loyal to him, as she picked him out herself and he got her out of the adoption center. She turned up at a TNR feeding station in Somerville, heavily pregnant and quite friendly. She was taken in, had six kittens, and the whole family found homes. That's seven cats who are not on the street, and not producing more kittens! All thanks to TNR.
More information: http://mrfrs.org/about-mrfrs/
Why would new cats move in if
Why would new cats move in if cats are killed, but not if all the neutered cats die of old age?