By adamg on Fri., 7/18/2014 - 9:12 pm
For short-term housing, WBUR reports:
"My faith teaches that 'if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him,' but rather 'love him as yourself,' "he said, quoting Scripture, his eyes teary.
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Deval Patrick's comment
By Sally
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 9:22pm
was a bright spot in what felt like a very dark day...a dark week, really. And I just read many of the comments about the El Salvadoran man trying to get to his dying son--the kindness of the commenters was wonderful but apparently the POB folks did track him down--his son passed away.
I agree. I'm glad we have a
By bibliotequetres...
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:10am
I agree. I'm glad we have a governor who will act with compassion, and a citizenry who supports those acts.
They are technically runaways
By anon
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 8:12pm
They are technically runaways and should be returned to their parents.
You cannot take a minor on his/her word. Some of these kids could be from Ohio
I Didn't Like Him at First, but Good for the Governor
By John Costello
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 9:23pm
I saw the "Freedom Radio" billboard on the Expressway this evening and it makes me glad when at the same time we can have compassion for the needy and segregate Alex Jones, Limbaugh,Dennis Miller, and the other cranks to a weak AM signal in the 7th largest media market in the country.
As the son of immigrants, one of whom was here only kind of legally, God Bless the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and the United States of America.
God?
By MatthewC
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:11pm
What year is it?
Apparently Jackarseuary for you.
By John Costello
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:15pm
It is only a phrase, lighten up Francis.
I would definitely entrust
By anon
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 9:48pm
I would definitely entrust the DCF to be able to effectively care for these children.
Faith...
By MatthewC
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:16pm
It's 2014. It's time to stop believing in eons old mythology. As for the kids, sure, let them in. Then raise them as AMERICANS. Teach them English, show them American traditions, and put them on the right path. Yeah, I know. I'm not allowed to say that. Sue me.
I'm sure their parents
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:31pm
... would be very happy to have us do just that! After all, they would be safe, and would have a chance at a better life.
It is what most of the immigrant parents that I've met and that my sons attend school with appear to want for their kids.
herp derp
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:30pm
dupe!
That's the classic path of assimilation and acculturation
By Ron Newman
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 1:21am
and, as such, should be entirely non-controversial.
What I find disgusting is
By Brian Riccio
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:47pm
those on the right that are demonizing these children as some sort of brown biological time bombs. The idiocy over at the Herald regarding this issue really shows the lemmings who do what they're told when they're told and this week little brown refugees are on the menu. Howie Carr, disgusting racist fraud that he is, has latched onto this issue with every one of his fat fingers and is really whipping up the mouth breathers this week.
Of course, Carr's moral bankruptcy is legend, but his racist invective this week is reminiscent of the Nazi propaganda against the Jews.
Right to life
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 10:52pm
But only to 9 months gestation, apparently.
Never mind that Jesus said nothing much if anything about abortion, but a hell of a lot about taking care and showing compassion to those who cannot care for themselves, including those who are not of your tribe.
And that these themes are present in Judaism as well ...
Get back to us when anyone
By Patrick_RMG
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 9:59am
Get back to us when anyone suggests these immigrant children be aborted instead of deported.
Get back to me
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:42am
When you find that bit where Jesus says "abortion is murder", and retracts everything he has said about taking care of other people, giving compassion to outsiders and those down on their luck, etc. etc. etc.
You do realize that these kids are being pushed to the border because they run a very high chance of being murdered if they are turned away? Of course you don't. But you wash your hands of it because it "isn't your problem", just like Judas. Even though the US destabilized these countries years ago, then created the situation that caused the violence problems by declaring a "war on drugs" rather than taking decisive steps to shrink the lucrative US market for their wares through proven public-health-based approaches to drug abuse.
Or just let me know when you have bothered to read that book you so love, rather than just thump it and assume it says what you think it does.
I love when people who don't
By dave davery
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 3:22pm
I love when people who don't give a shit about Christianity use the Bible to justify their politics.
Theology
By Suldog
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 3:31pm
Swirly - If you're going to use scripture, you might want to revise your "washing hands" references. It was Pontius Pilate, not Judas Iscariot.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Actually, given his cavalier use of other people's money,
By aging cynic
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:42am
it's "Pontius Patrick".
Do you even know how our government works?
By SwirlyGrrl
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:04pm
Obviously not.
The Governor can't just say "I think I'll pull a bunch of money out of the general fund and buy ponies for everyone!"
It doesn't work that way. The legislature has to approve any and all spending in MA.
But you clearly flunked civics a long time ago - when they didn't even require teachers to know what they were doing, or some nun with a sub-high school education and fifty kids in the room.
(ps Suldog - I stand corrected. However, the point about washing hands of responsibility and consequences of actions still stands)
Illegal immigration is illegal.
By dmcboston
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 4:12pm
I don't give a damn what Martha Coakley thinks. Illegal immigration is illegal. It shouldn't be happening. Send them back, obey the law. You want to change the law? Obama had two years of a Democratic congress and it didn't happen.
Oh, that's right. We get to pick and choose the laws we want to obey.
Even better, tighten up the border physically, as was promised by Ted Kennedy in the nineties.
Hey You Kids, Get Offa My Lawn
By BlackKat
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 5:56pm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/201...
The numbers show that only the extreme xenophobes are those calling to "send them back". Even amongst the traditional right wing, the majority view is that immediate and unconditional deportation is not the answer.
What is especially telling is how those numbers break down by age. Those opposed to paths to citizenship for immigrants the most are not getting any younger.
And we do get to pick and choose the laws we want to obey.
That's why certain states are pushing ahead with marijuana legalization and gay marriage.
Racists of the 40's & 50's
By anon²
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 8:59pm
are still alive. The ones in Boston complaining about busing and those in the south that lynched black men for being in the wrong place when the mob got angry.
No surprise they're still kicking and screaming about those uppity minorities. Luckily they have far fewer years ahead than behind.
Law change?
By dmcboston
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 1:06am
"The numbers show that only the extreme xenophobes are those calling to "send them back"."
Ah. I'm a racist. I get it. 50,000 kids over the border and I'm supposed to love it? So, where are those numbers from?
"What is especially telling is how those numbers break down by age. Those opposed to paths to citizenship for immigrants the most are not getting any younger."
I'm not opposed to paths to citizenship. I'm for it. It's called, wait for it, immigration. Legally.
"And we do get to pick and choose the laws we want to obey.
That's why certain states are pushing ahead with marijuana legalization and gay marriage."
Yes. It's called 'passing laws'. Get it? Pass a law, get legal gay marriage and weed.
Like their ideas,
By aging cynic
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 11:43am
they pick the numbers out of their ass.
Thanks Obama!
By anon²
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 8:57pm
Two things:
Under Obama we've drastically increased deportations and border security, and drastically increased the budget to do so far beyond what any President prior has done. Period. That's a fact.
Second, are you going to put your entire paycheck on the line for 100% enforcement by all and any means necessary? Any idiot knows that as you approach 100% enforcement of anything, costs rise exponentially to meet that last 0.0001%.
To put it anther way, the world is never black and white and we can never be perfect. Not even close when we are talking about budgets and tax payer funded expenditures.
That's assuming the patchwork laws on the books aren't insane as is, which they are. Economical and Socially there's no legitimate reason to keep immigrants from coming here with open arms and assimilating as long as they don't break criminal laws.
An open immigration policy and policing and deporting the bad apples would be much more beneficial, a hell of a lot cheaper, and have a chance of actually be a working program that we could implement and succeed with.
I'm not looking for perfect.
By dmcboston
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 1:10am
Fine, put the revolving door right there in Texas. They come in, they go right back into Mexico.
You do realize that they are not from Mexico, but other countries.
Many other countries. We need to control this for several very legit reasons.
Thanks, Obama.
list em
By anon²
Wed, 07/23/2014 - 7:57am
I haven't heard an argument yet that doesn't boil down to "I got mine, fuck them, they'll take mine" which isn't how the world works.
Feels that way, but that's our unfortunate gut ape instinct leftover from a time when it was big things with teeth and alpha males were looking to kill us.
You can't be
By bulgingbuick
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:46am
Catholic and pro death penalty.
You are repulsive
By anon
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:24pm
Many people sincerely believe only legal immigration should be allowed, and we can't deal with a massive flood of Central Americans illegally sneaking into the country. They also think it's a slap in the face of legal immigrants. I agree with them. I would add our economy is practically dead in the water, whatever growth there is, is anemic, and a huge number of working age people in this country don't work, many because they can't find a job. And there are people who (bizarrely) see no problem with adding millions more illegal and even legal immigrants, many if not most are at best semi-skilled, generally poorly educated. There are no jobs for such people, and they will make more difficult for the under class we already have, including keeping wages depressed. I won't even discuss how big business interests are trying to do the same squeeze on skilled workers by demanding more visas.
These are all perfectly legitimate concerns and doesn't mean they all hate 'brown people'.
And BTW: In fact, many of the 'children' are young adults/teenagers. This is a recipe for disaster in more ways than one.
Finally, my parents were both immigrants, not 'undocumented', but legal. They didn't sneak into the country and then demand they be accepted, made citizens, and be given all kinds if expensive social services, healthcare, etc. And if any American reading this attempted to sneak into Mexico or one of the Central American countries and tried to get away with being 'undocumented', you'd be treated far more harshly than the manner which the U.S. treats our illegal immigrants.
I deeply, deeply resent anyone calling me 'racist', or that I am afraid of or hate 'brown' people. Deeply resent it, and it's beyond contemptable for anyone to freely jump to use the race card.
Extending Not All Men ...
By adamg
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:41pm
Just because you're not racist doesn't mean people screaming at school buses full of
YMCA kidsCentral American kids, and issuing end-of-civilization warnings about Ebola (which has never occurred outside Africa) aren't racist.So? Just because some people
By dave davery
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 3:24pm
So? Just because some people against this are racist doesn't mean it's racist to not want to let every single person in the country who wants to come.
Thank you!
By Brian Riccio
Fri, 07/18/2014 - 11:56pm
For demonstrating your intellectual prowess! Considering I don't know you, and probably never will personally, yet you take umbrage at my calling you a racist.
If I knew you to be one of the moronic posters over at the Herald, maybe then I'd call you a racist. In fact I believe I out and out called Howie Carr a racist, and as anyone with half a brain can tell you, I'm right on the mark on that one.
And why wouldn't these children want to come here? I never seem to stop hearing right wingers crying how this is the greatest country there ever was on the face of the Earth, so why wouldn't they come here? Are we not the richest country on Earth? Or have we been lied to all these years?
Asylum
By BlackKat
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 7:52am
I think another important aspect to discuss is that many of those children are ending up in this country not necessarily only seeking better economic conditions, but just as much seeking better safety conditions. They truly are asylum seekers in the classic vein. The drug and gang related violence, not to mention political instability, in many of those Central American countries they are fleeing is horrific.
It's funny how, in this country, we often look down our nose at places like Detroit and Chicago for the violence in their poorer neighborhoods. But compared to cities in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras these children would likely be far safer in Chicago's worst neighborhoods. In this country they actually stand a chance at growing up to be adults. I honestly think Mexico has a chance, eventually, of turning around the drug and violence issues plaguing it. But I am a lot more cynical about its southern neighbors having much luck.
Just to note, the US is not the only nation having to deal with these sorts of issues. European countries and Australia have had large numbers of people, past and present, entering illegally as asylum seekers. And as an unfortunate result, not unlike here, it has caused many xenophobic backlashes. But again, can you really blame someone for fleeing, say, Sudan?
Ask yourself:
By thatanoninmexico
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:25am
Would anti-immigrants be saying the same things, verbatim, if it were a bunch of Quebecois children escaping a maple famine?
I think non
Yes
By bulgingbuick
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 10:48am
because they'd be wearing Canadians jerseys.
Well Then
By anon²
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 3:30pm
Facts tend to show people have no clothes, and illegal immigration isn't any different. Not many people know the fact that the largest group of illegal immigrants both as a group, and as a yearly count are southeast and east Asians. Yet they're entirely ignored in the immigration debate.
Why? Brown people and racism.
Things aren't so rosy in the south border states for legal immigrants of Hispanic heritage as well. If you've spent any time there, you know the deal.
And yet again with the 100% incorrect, zero sum economic arguments. That's not how economics works.
[img]http://theroyalrating.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/...
(and if it is, we got a major problem as capitalism' wealth creation, growth, and efficient use of capital is just a lie)
If your going to throw around the word
By anon
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 6:51pm
FACT, make sure you're actually correct. See page 4, 8.9m out of the estimated 11.2m are from N. American.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publicatio...
Illegal immigration is racist
By anon
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 10:55pm
against the people who do not have the fortune to be suffering in countries that are not contiguous to the United States.
Threatened by gangs and cartels in South or Central America? Welcome to America whenever your two feet can get you there!
Threatened by rape squads in Africa or radical separatists in the Middle East? Wait ten thousand years for your refugee asylum visa to come through.
Um, this isn't a new issue
By Waquiot
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 12:19am
I don't like typing on the iPad, so here's the short-
1840s-50s- "Know Nothing's" go against Irish Catholics
1890s-1920s- anti Italian, Jewish, and Slav movement gets immigration restricted. They had a whole group, the Immigration Restriction League, working to stem the tide of undesirables.
Of course, Asians were not welcome throughout this time.
Today, yes there are people who wince at new Asian, African, and indeed Latino arrivals, but for the most part, most of the "haters" are okay with immigration, just within the framework set out. I think a case can be made that the families of these young immigrants think that Obama said that young kids can stay, get all legal and whatnot, and the end result is this huge uptick in kids at the border "without authorization". Honestly, I want to see the proof that El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras are in fact less safe than they were in 2010.
I know I'm at odds with the Church with this. The kids deserve compassion, but at the end of the day we have laws and borders. And frankly, compared with Europe, Carr et al are bleeding hearts. Show me one legitimate figure on the right that wants to end immigration altogether. In the end, we all know that immigration built this country. It's just how to keep building it that's the issue.
So very convenient!
By SwirlyGrrl
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:45am
Where were you when the US government ignored those laws and borders and destabilized these countries with covert operations and illegal arms sales?
But, hey, it isn't like we are executing the children directly, amirite? (washes hands, seals fate)
I was at the arcade playing Donkey Kong
By Waquiot
Sun, 07/20/2014 - 12:05am
Again, why are these kids fleeing conditions that existed 30 years ago?
I may seem callous about this, but I understand refugees in the Middle East and parts of Africa racked with civil war. I don't see how MS-13 or Calle 18 are recent enough to cause a very large upturn in people fleeing.
By the way, Moakley worked out a truce between the FMLN and the military, so that civil war ended.
EDIT- I admit it, I misspelled Africa, which is why I hate my iPad. Also, back in my Donkey Kong playing days I used to confuse the FSLN and FMLN, which is odd as high school policy debate then was about U.S. policy in Latin America, so I should have had that down.
Herald and Carr Business Partner Johnny Martorano
By bulgingbuick
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 11:46am
only killed about 20 people, many were minorities, there is no moral equivacation in comparing Martorano's acts of self defense and the Herald Carr rightous profiteering from such to the Holocaust of brown children invading our blessed land. We need to build a Berlin wall , take our country back from the Kenyan president and the gays in order to preserve Sarah Palin's constitution. Then we will be truly free.
Why not
By anon
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 6:56am
allow homeless veterans live on these military housing units.
I propose creating a
By anon
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 7:06am
I propose creating a dispersal zone around the state to keep undocumented immigrants out. It's a lot like a buffer zone except constitutional because.
I get kind of nervous
By moxie
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 7:37am
...when Deval Patrick and Sean O'Malley wrap themselves in the flag and start quivering about "compassion." (Especially so for the Cardinal, when it's about kids, for the obvious reason.)
I'm not sure how to handle this disaster. But neither of these two "leaders" have any skin in the game. They don't live in the towns where they're proposing to place these kids. And if you listen to city government in Chicopee, they got no advance notice, and no advisory role in this. And when these kids ultimately wind up in Lynn, Brockton, or Lawrence Deval will be on his next shake down. Ameriuest, anyone?
These kids aren't going to Milton or Sweet P Farm in Richmond. The Archdiocese compound on Lake Street isn't being offered up either. Churches aren't being sold to fund this, and the governor hasn't announced a personal seven figure donation to kick off a relief fund.
Compassion is a pretty easy reach, when it's some else's town and other people's money your paying for it with.
deval campaign
By hydeparkish
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 7:59am
Deval probably figures this will really help if he decides to run for pres. As its the closest thing to foreign policy experience he has! He isn't doing this out of the goodness of his heart.
Cynicism
By BlackKat
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 8:07am
They're not going to be living in downtown Chicopee. The temporary housing being proposed for them, while their cases are being processed, will be on the grounds of a couple of military bases. If any end up staying in the state long term it would only be if they have some adult [relative?] who can act as a guardian who is also in the area, and if they are granted asylum. They're children, I don't think they need to be treated like prisoners about to make a mass breakout.
I wish I was as smart as you
By moxie
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 8:25am
Or had your superpowers, to see into the future and know exactly what was going to happen, and when, to these kids. Do you do stock market picks, and world series predictions as well?
Unfortunately, I didn't get the super powers that you were blessed with, and can only look at the past, and the present.
In the present, I see two guys who have absolutely no skin in the game, defining "compassion" for the people who are directly affected by this. And in the past, I see the DCF disaster and endless executive disaster and the organized pedophilia machine that was the Archdiocese,
Pardon my skepticism on this one.
Good Point
By John Costello
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 8:38am
These kids will be staying at Westover and Edwards where there are barrack style buildings. They are not going to be in three deckers on Monday. Besides, if they did break out, downtown Chicopee could use the economic boost. Downtown Chicopee makes downtown Lawrence look like Brookline Village.
"children"
By Patrick_RMG
Sat, 07/19/2014 - 9:58am
Some of them don't look that young.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/382483/adult...
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