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Man smacked with own cane at Andrew says nobody tried to help
By adamg on Tue, 01/07/2014 - 8:35am
Wanted for attack. Photo by Transit Police.
UPDATE: Arrest made.
WCVB interviews the man who was just standing at Andrew station on Saturday when some guy grabbed his cane and hit him with it.
Meanwhile, Transit Police have released three photos of the man wanted for the attack.
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My problem with this
We hear reports when nobody helps people being attacked, but don't we also hear stories of good samaritans who then proceed to be attacked themselves? If somebody is attacking a helpless man, who is to say they won't then just attack you if you try to intervene?
I'm not saying that there aren't ways to help involving indirect interventions, but at that point wouldn't we probably be in the same situation with this person getting out of the station as soon as people drew attention to them?
Thankfully the victim seem to be fine
especially for being smacked in the face with a solid wooden cane. Really hope this looser gets caught.
Sorry, sir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Andrew Square
This area is a magnet for trouble and those seeking it. The proximity of methadone clinics, street dope peddlers and the Red Line has changed a once great neighborhood into something out of a zombie film. It's tragic. A woman was murdered in her own home by a neighbor who was a drug addict. Drug dealing and the people it attracts is ongoing.
After the Amy Lord murder, people in South Boston railed against the drug related activity and use here. We have been promised a dedicated drug unit for here. The stuff is still going on.
I meet my spouse down there. I watch the addicts stumble around. In the morning, they're on their way to or from the methadone clinics. Up on the Southampton St. Bridge and area you can see them selling and buying dope. All day long it's the same thing. This has gone on for years.
The T Police have a uniformed presence there after school and up to the end of rush hour. After that, you're on your own. I don't know the reason for T Police not riding on the cars, buses and trolleys. The same can be said for manning stations that seem to have an above average amount of crime. I have called the T police on a few occasions. By the time a unit arrives the people involved are long gone. I use the system on a regular basis. It is generally good.
My guess about the assailant is that the police could find him at either Pine St. or St. Francis House. He's probably a drug addict, homeless and I will say unapologetically an illegal alien This is the reality of what I see just about everyday. It's not meant to insult anyone. If you have a problem with my definition of things, well so be it.
I agree with you about the
I agree with you about the addicts. It seems that many T stations are becoming hangouts for drug addicts and they are always related to a drug treatment facility nearby. It is NOT fair that neighborhoods housing decent people should have to deal with drugged out crooks and sociopaths every day. I don't remember addicts overrunning residential areas in Boston 10 years ago.
I don't see how you know this thug is un-documented and homeless, however. But he certainly is a scumbag and a druggy--you got that right.
Transit oriented Development
Just give the area time. New transit stations lift up neighborhoods and make public transit more attractive for everyone to use. Nobody will want the loneliness of driving in a car and uncertainty of when they will reach their destination.
A disabled man is senselessly
A disabled man is senselessly beaten and you have to pull this crap?
Victim wasn't senseless one
You may want to get the facts straight before attacking. The video includes an interview with the victim who said he was not hurt.
leave
Mark, just leave.
Okay?
Take your coldheartedness out into the refreshing single-digit air, where it belongs.
How about Hibbing, MN
Supposed to be -29 tonight.
Can't we vote this guy off the island?
Move to Detroit, Please
Very little of that pesky public transit to blight the area. Just nice people in their nice cars doing nice things.
Oh yeah.
Oh, and explain why drug dealers love highways so much? Oh, you don't see them, but their activities are obvious.
"The proximity of ... the Red
"The proximity of ... the Red Line has changed a once great neighborhood into something out of a zombie film."
The station has been there for a very long time (1918, to be exact.) If anything, the Red Line has seen the neighborhood through its best and its worse.
andrew square cane episode
you had me until the last paragraph which I disagree with you vehemently on. The boy in red looked quite young. I too see the over medicated and addicted individuals as well as well as whom I would call a rough element of young people swirling through the area on a daily basis. I work at BMC and care for some of these individuals also. The undocumented people you are referring to shun the shelters and many of them are standing in the cold and darkness of the early morning trying to catch a day job at Home Depot
Too Young?
My first thought was that he is about 14 or 15. If so, he wouldn't be at Pine Street or St. Francis. His companion, the female, looks like she might be even younger. Appears too well-dressed to be homeless. As for illegal, who the hell can tell? You got some evidence for that?
The way he stumbles down the stairs argues for the drug usage, or alcohol. I would say the generally dopey look on his face says the same.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
My understanding of the
My understanding of the transit cops: they've never had enough officers to do much more than respond to their calls in cruisers and staff some of the worst stations. A lot of their high salaries is due to officers being mandated to work overtime just to fill basic day to day slots. this mandating has been a cause of them having a high turnover. Crimes on trains cause trains to be stopped and held at the next station, thus, limiting train riding officers to only be able to respond from the opposite direction.
With the T's reliability record, I personally would prefer they respond in a reliable vehicle.
A large percentage of the Andrew Square zombies aren't even from Southie. There's no way you can convince me the methadone clinic isn't a huge contributing factor to the problem.
That healthy adults
especially men,if they saw what was happening,didn't try and help, is unconscionable.
People fear getting stabbed
People fear getting stabbed or shot by thugs. State law and city policy has disarmed most lab abiding people. Change pepper spray to shall issue and have Boston allow CCW to people that pass a lengthy course in addition to the Moon Island trial and things will change. Right now the thugs no very few if any people can stand up to them. Their only fear is a direct police confrontation.
confused
So, you're saying that people should be allow to carry pepper spray in Boston. But, what does CCW stand for and what is the Moon Island trial?
Conceal Carried Weapon. A
Conceal Carried Weapon. A very very big no no in Boston unless you are a very special person or have a strong business or professional related reason. Doctors, lawyers, cops, pharmacists, journalists, court employees, and people that make large cash deposits for businesses are about the only people legally allowed legal carry on a permit in the city under a policy created by Menino.
Ride that Prius back on out of the city
Moon Island is a/the Gun Range in Boston Harbor.
Speak English, Please
Then maybe we will understand what you say. Gunnut gibberish is only good for the internet duckblinds.
In any case, can you show us any similarly heavily densely populated place with lower crime rates due to heavily armed random people brandishing weapons?
Here you go:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13504851.2013.854294#.UsbyJ_...
SCIENCE is a beautiful thing.
Yes it is!
So, explain why, in their methodology, they failed to control for obvious factors as population density?
Read the study, they did
Read the study, they did account for population density.
to: anon (not verified) on Tue, 01/07/2014 - 3:42pm
Why are you attacking me for asking what Moon Island is? I drive a VW, not a Prius. Though usually I walk wherever I go in the city. Thanks for being a dick.
ccw=concealed carry weapon
For Boston Residents
Step one: demonstrate a rationale as to why a permit should be issued( ie for employment, personal safety etc.)
Step 2: Background check
Step 3: go to Moon Island to display safe weapon handling and also to demonstrate a decent ability to hit a target. It is not that hard and the testers are pretty congenial.
Not to defend anybody, since I wasn't there, but ...
The video shows the attack happened really quickly, and let's not forget what happened at Ruggles last month.
Yeah, exactly. I think that
Yeah, exactly. I think that the best a bystander can do is try to distract the attacker, and then run and get help.
Respectfully Disagree
The more times bystanders interfere, and the more publicity such interferences get, the less some cowardly shits (like this punk) will feel they have the advantage. Obviously, not every jerk who attacks someone stops to give it great rational thought beforehand, but there will certainly be some instances where a doofus looks around, sees other folks there, and thinks, "I might not be able to get out of here. Better wait for another time." If nobody ever intervenes, that thought will never occur to anyone.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
Health adults
You know this, how?
No, it isn't
It's understandable. See my link above. It's called the "Bystander Effect". It has nothing to do with a "fear of guns or knives" as the anon poster above has to say in an effort to make this about needing more concealed carry licenses or whatever.
The more people witness a victim being victimized, the LESS likely any ONE of them is to act. The reasoning is that everyone assumes someone else will act and so they don't bother. It's wired into our psyche to act this way. There's also the fact that you are "safe" in the crowd. Sticking your neck out takes either an internal nudge contrary to what our brains are wired to respond as...OR if someone else acts, then there's an external nudge. But if NO one else acts, then there's never that external nudge AND you have no internal nudge because that's not how our brains are wired to respond in a crowd situation.
It's not unconscionable...it's subconscionable.
You know it is illegal to
You know it is illegal to intervene in some places or it can open you up to a lawsuit (most infamously in the UK). That scares some people into "minding their own business". I don't think the good Samaritan laws in this state specifically protect people attempting to rescue someone else from an assault.
Its our Fault
We pay millions of dollars in taxes and fares and what do we get in return:
A high paid police force that cruises the highways and who get paid to watch monitors instead of riding trains
Terrible train service
Terrible customer service
Buses that are overcrowded and never on time
Parking lots that are not safe
Legally parked cars being ticketed and towed
Cops sleeping on the job
Cops and flaggers making thousands at Job sites
Thousands of overpaid political hacks with fancy titles and take home cars
The only original idea by management in the past year was the cardboard cop and the bounce rap
Exactly why the T police
Exactly why the T police should be disbanded and the system turned over to the State Police. I don't get why MassPort has their own police force too. What's the point of a state department if it doesn't maintain responsibility for all state property?
seems they caught the kid
http://mobile.boston.com/art/35/news/local/massachusetts/2014/01/07/poli...