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Rally to get police to stop shooting family pets

Freeze Don't Shoot holds a rally starting at noon at the Brewer Fountain on the Common to protest the death of family dogs by police conducting raids and searches. The group is seeking better training for police on how to deal with dogs short of just shooting them to death:

Our dogs are being shot as a result of wrong addresses, invasion of our homes, back yards, cars, and if our dogs happen to get loose. All dogs are at risk, all sizes, all breeds. If they approach these strangers in uniform and badge…they are considered to be charging the officer and are shot without thought. In most instances the officer does not stop shooting until our dogs are dead…and some dogs take on 3-15 bullets. Our dogs are being shot in front of children and dropping at our feet. This is devastating to the families and traumatizing our children. Our officers are quickly losing our trust and respect.

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will be a counter rally to help stop dog owner from allowing their mutts to shit everywhere.

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Cameras on police would help with this. Why is an animal's life worth less than a persons in the eyes of the law when it comes to application of deadly force? We allow police to down dogs for things that people get off with slaps on the wrists for. That's an injustice to animals.

I also saddened that we have a rally blaming police for shooting dogs yet whenever a thugs shoots a thug its not the thugs fault but the gun's fault. Why are police held personally accountable for their misdeeds but not thugs? Why the double standard?

Why can we have a rally for pets and not people too? Plenty of people usually being the mentally ill are shot by police ill trained to deal with them. Where's the rally for those people?

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Lots of blame to go around.

And there is plenty of training for the police on the mentally ill, but criminal procedure will still back any human being, cop or not who is faced with the threat of deadly force. Change the law, and you will see less mentally ill, dogs, and other people being killed by the police.

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Pete Nice again schools us about how its okay to do anything you want when you are a cop because there are bad people in the world.

Just another thug gang, funded with public money.

How's those steroids selling in the lockerroom these days - OH, SORRY, can't talk about that because they help fight the War on Drugs and Citizens!

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No wonder why cops get paid so much when ignorant morons like yourself are out there.

Thanks!

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http://www.dailydot.com/politics/cop-shoots-dog-video/

Let's see what happens to this cop. Last I heard he was suspended. Hopefully he will be fired.

Without the video we wouldn't know about it.

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"Why is an animal's life worth less than a persons in the eyes of the law when it comes to application of deadly force?"

Because an animal's life is worth less than a person's in every other conceivable setting and case.

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If it is, maybe it can be expanded to train police in how to deal with human beings, so they can be not shot, too.

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What, and slow the military industrial complexes expansion into the police force? Hey, these weapons aren't going to buy themselves you know!

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Your "joke" is in poor taste giving that just yesterday two police officers were murdered in California.

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What does the incident in California have to do with police murdering young black men every week?

Cops are not above criticism. Perruptor's comment is on point

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Sorry but if this were happening "every week" we wouldn't still be talking about Michael Wilson let alone Amadou Diallo who was shot fifteen years ago. Hyperbole doesn't help make your point.

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Police kill far too many people and it needs to stop. They are rarely punished for their crimes. Perruptor made a valid, serious and very important point.

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You do realize that in 99.9% of the cases cops shoot the prep when he's pulling a gun or a knife on them, or perhaps is in the process of beating them to death. What are they supposed to do, just stand there and ask the prep to stop?

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do you have any evidence to support that 99.9% claim?

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I don't think it was a joke

You're right -- it wasn't a joke. A little ironic, but still serious, for the reasons you give.

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I don't think it was a joke

You're right -- it wasn't a joke. A little ironic, but still serious, for the reasons you give.

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Next stop, the White House to protest Obama eating dogs.

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Great man do a 'dog on car roof' reference next because it seems like not everybody got tired of these two non-issues the first time around

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One man's outplacement is another man's meals on wheels.

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Is this that big of a problem? How often are dogs getting shot by cops?

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Do you perhaps have any examples of Boston Police doing this? You know, this being Boston and all.

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Which perhaps says something about the sort of city this is, but in any case, Bostonians have a long tradition of holding protests over events in other areas (as I type this, there's a protest march down Newbury Street over Ferguson).

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in support of the business looted and burned, or the officer who had is orbital completely smash by a thug who minutes before robbed a store and assaulted its owner!

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There is no legal vigilante justice in US including by the police. A young man does not deserve to die for robbing a store. he does not deserve to be brutally murdered in the street as he pleads for mercy And there is absolutely no proof that the robbery was actually him. Also all the cops story has been contradicted by every witness. You are a racist no other explanation for your stupidity.

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And too much dailykos - deadly combination.

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Are you protesting for what you believe in? If so, good for you! But please don't insinuate that they should not be protesting and calling attention to important issues, or insinuate that they think cops don't deserve protection and support. The incident you refer to is completely separate from the fact that cops unnecessarily and brutally kill a lot of family pets.

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That the photo circulating of the guy with the smashed eye socket was NOT Darren Wilson, right?

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I think the protest, as many protests in Boston are, was about something larger than Boston.

In this article there is an case from Fitchburg where FBI terrorized a woman and her young daughter for 30 minutes. They had been on the case for 2 years and didn't know where the people who they were tracking lived. Same issue that comes into the killing of family dogs in the other case.

http://www.businessinsider.com/9-horrifying-botched-police-raids-2012-2?...

Do we have to wait until this happens in Boston before it can be brought up?

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"I think the protest, as many protests in Boston are, was about something larger than Boston. "

This is true, boredom and privilege are much larger than Boston. The same people at this protest will be the same ones at every protest. Just something to do on a Saturday. Have sign will protest.

By the way this protest will bring about no changes and nobody in police command staff actually cares about this issue. The only ones who care are those inconvenienced by the increased traffic.

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Lets just let every injustice stand! Never fight back! Not voicing disapproval with our government is the only way to run a democracy! Fuck change!

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Nona, it must trouble you thinking that nobody in police command staff actually cares about this issue. Actually, many police do care, but many don't. Some departments ensure that their officers are well trained and know how to approach animals and how to determine if an animal is being aggressive. But many don't and don't care. Many cops will put a bullet through your beloved family pet's brain without thinking twice about it.

I think it sad that you don't care about the issues affecting our society, and sad that you write off those who do and work to call attention to these issues as somehow bored and insincere.

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Isn't it?

People with wealth and privilege cant ever use it to help others, oh noooo. Bunch of class traitors!

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There is no "diabetes medication" that, denied, would bring on low blood sugar. Just sayin'.

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"Our dogs are being shot as a result of wrong addresses"

- ok, there seems to be something else we should be working on here.

"invasion of our homes, "

i am guessing that means search warrants. If you truly mean that police are invading homes without cause, then again here seems to be something else we should be working on here.

All this seems to be is a rally against police, using bait for animal lovers

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There's something seriously wrong with police culture in this country. Every day there's stories of brutality, bullying, corruption, and murder in the news. Some days it's arresting people without cause, attacking bystanders with cameras, seizing personal property without case - and sometimes it's much worse. And before you go running to the Herald crying "liberal media", it's being reported by conservative sources too.

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And before you go running to the Herald crying "liberal media", it's being reported by conservative sources too.

My sister-in-law who is right of most Republicans in this state brings these incidents up on a regular basis.

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I hope the protests don't stop until the killing stops.

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They have rules of engagement, plethora of minutia and legalities they must at least try to abide. Very strict and rigid rules of engagement (in civilian law enforcement this usually is the result of politics, morbid concern with legal liability, etc.) usually ends up having the exact opposite effect of what was (allegedly) desired. Ditto many examples of 'reform'.

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Not in this country. Cops routinely get away with breaking down the wrong door and trashing innocent peoples' homes. SCOTUS has even ruled that they don't have to pay for damages so long as they have a "valid warrant." Then there's the almost complete impunity they have when they shoot someone. It's almost unheard of for a cop to be charged with a crime for shooting someone. Even disciplining a wrongful shooter is rare. I would link to statistics, but there are none -- the Justice Department keeps no records on numbers of police shootings, despite Congress telling them to do it years ago.

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that cops in the US are rampaging, shooting innocent people left and right? How many lawsuits involving unjust (real or alleged-false) shootings are there yearly? Because a police shooting incident is a big deal, and almost always results in civil suits. What is the percentage overall? Anyone know? Governments local,state,federal certainly do not like paying out for police shootings, and if it was unusually high, it would not go unnoticed.

In a side note: WHY is violent crime such a huge, ongoing problem in the US, specifically in certain areas and among certain demographics like young males, especially grossly disproportionately young males 'of color' (excluding Asians)? I'm now in my late 30s, grew up and live in urban America, and this has been a huge issue my whole life. Talking with those older than me, it's been a huge issue for at least 50 years now.

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Violent crime is one thing the FBI does keep statistics on, and violent crime rates are way down.

The decline in violent crime is one of the most striking trends over recent decades; the rate has declined roughly by half since 1993.

So you and your older friends can relax some.

WRT lawsuits against police for wrongful shootings, there's no database for that, either. Many lawsuits are settled with gag orders prohibiting the parties from talking about them, so you'd have to know that the suits were filed in the first place, and nobody keeps records of how many are.

fivethirtyeight says Nobody Knows How Many Americans The Police Kill Each Year, and explains why that is. The minimum is the official estimate, which is 400 per year, but that does not include any of the small number of shootings that are judged wrongful. This guy analyzed the available data for 2011, and says the police shot 1146 people that year, killing 607 of them. That his number is 50% higher than the official estimate should lift your eyebrows a bit.

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NYC budgets huge amounts of money to pay for its idiot cops making up laws and beating people up.

They get sued, they lose, they pay, and they don't stop their bullshit, and the whole city pays for it.

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Abuse and negligence payouts cost NYC $735 million per year. Civil rights and abuse violations: $119 million PER YEAR.

Yes. You read that right. $119,000,000 per year for civil rights violations.

Um, yes. Problem.

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They decide to make a payout instead of going to court (even if the evidence supports the cop). They pay. And their police forces continue to try to enforce the laws (which is hardly BS).

There, fixed it for you.

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Are the cops supposed to stop and pet them? Be trained to shoot them in the arm or leg? I think most people that have "family pets" aren't overly concerned with the prospects of a police raid on their domiciles

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"Are the cops supposed to stop and pet them?" In many cases, Yes!
"Be trained to shoot them in the arm or leg?" How about don't shoot them at all?!
"I think most people that have "family pets" aren't overly concerned with the prospects of a police raid on their domiciles." I wasn't a trade unionist so I didn't speak up...
There are many raids on the wrong house. Cops stop by because of a domestic disturbance call. They are investigating a burglary in the neighborhood and took a short cut through your yard. They pulled you over on the highway and you mutt wouldn't shut up. There are a lot of reasons why a cop might find himself near a dog, but they don't need to kill them. Too often they do. And yes, they are often family pets.

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Nationally, however, cops have gone up onto porches because a dog barked at them, and shot the dog in front of kids without warrant or cause, and not been disciplined.

Of course the larger problem is that cops are immune to civil authority and consequences in many places, and need to be brought under control and made responsible to the people who employ them and civil authority.

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however, cops have gone up onto porches because a dog barked at them, and shot the dog in front of kids without warrant or cause, and not been disciplined.

Oh there is a roving band of dog killing cops??? please cite me the facts on this Anon.. oh wait you are an anon for a reason.

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There are these things called "search engines", which are very handy, You can easily use "the Google" to put in some search terms and click "news" to get recent news articles about whatever you are interested in.

Here's an example: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=...

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about a cop going onto a porch where a dog was barking at him and then he shot the dog in front of their kids?

I found worse things if I googled "ebola illegal immigrants".

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But we do know that if you use one of those things Swirly refers to, (What is it, some kind of search engine?) and use the search term "cop shoots dog porch," you will get lot's and lot's of hits.

But then some people will would rather direct attention away from this and pretend like choosing to post anonymously has something to do with your argument's logic.

What is really sad is that so many posters to this article don't seem to be aware of how serious an issue this is when such a small amount of easy internet research would show you that it is very serious and real.

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And I get hit after hit of 'he said - she said' about whether an unleashed dog lunged or not.

Sure, cops sometimes lie about what happened in an altercation. But dog owners always lie about whether their dog tried to bite somebody or was off-leash.

Next you're going to tell us the cops shoot brown dogs more often.

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nothing can be done. Part of online research is learning to separate the wheat from the chaff. I think if you actually did a few minutes of simple research you would find plenty of instances of cops shooting dogs for no valid reason. It's been captured on video several times. Some cops even admit to it. Just the pure numbers of cases should cause you to question. But I suppose if you are the sort of person who would emphasize that homeowners would lie 100% of the time, you aren't interested in finding out the truth.

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to help the poor ignorant people of the world.

There are probably several instances of cops shooting a dog for no valid reason. Sure, maybe even a dozen times a year. What the heck, call it twenty. Sad if it happens.

But, on the other side of the equation, there are literally ten million times as many instances of people loosing their dogs for no valid reason.

Dogs bite people about 4.5 million times per year, per the CDC. One in five of them require medical treatment. More than 27 thousand people a year need reconstructive surgery because of dog bites. Dog bites require more frequent medical treatment of children than playground falls, car crashes, bicycle crashes, drowning, fires, or any two of those causes combined, more than 400 thousand kids a year.

Just the pure numbers of cases should cause you to question.

Most people who break the law lie about it - in for a penny, in for a pound. I include cops in that, BTW - they break the law too, sometimes, and if they do they lie about it just like we do. Ask Kiko Pulido about that.

As for whether homeowners would lie 100% of the time, I have no opinion on that. I doubt it.

But scofflaw dog owners, speeders, drunk drivers, and other petty criminals are going to lie nearly 100% of the time, and there's just a lot more of them than there are bad cops.

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Don't bite.

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Hasn't this problem been solved a century ago by the post office?

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Letter carriers won't deliver mail to houses where unrestrained dogs threaten them. That's the kind of response that criminals wish the cops had to their dogs, but the cops aren't cooperating.

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Got bitten by a "little dust mop" of a dog in 1985 right in the Achilles tendon, hurt like a son-of-a-gun and a lot of rehab to do so the limb is slight.

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Cops killing dogs with impunity is one of many examples of intolerable police behavior. There are many issues with police today, SWAT abuse, civil asset forfeiture, and overly aggressive, militarized police in general. This is a smaller issue but highlights the lack of respect too many police have for the communities they are charged with protecting.

To those who don't think this is a serious issue or who dismiss the protesters as somehow bored or privileged, please visit this site and watch the video:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1850434439/puppycide-a-documentary

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